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    Easily offended Thais abroad

    I wonder how they'd feel if Americans started referring to them as "mongoloid" all the time and brought in some double pricing.


    Thai students: Eatery's name is offensive - Ann Arbor

    The Michigan Daily


    Thai students: Eatery's name is offensive
    Group wants No Thai! to change moniker

    By Julie Rowe: Daily Staff Reporter on 11/19/07


    Rackham student Sirarat Sarntivijai said she was confused and offended when a restaurant called No Thai! opened on South University Avenue in September 2005. She thought the name suggested that Thai people were not welcome in the restaurant.

    Members of the Thai Student Association, including Sarntivijai, its president, said they find the name deeply offensive.

    Victor Kim, one of the restaurant's four owners and a Ross School of Business graduate, said the name isn't intended to be offensive. He said No Thai! was named after the restaurant's head chef and co-owner, Noerung Hang, whose nickname is "No."

    "(TSA students) are taking it offensively, but we do not discriminate against anyone who comes into our restaurant," Kim said.
    Kim, along with two of the other owners, is Korean. Fourth owner and head chef Hang is Hmong, but his family has been in the Thai food industry for years.

    Sarntivijai said the heritage of the owners doesn't matter. She said would still be concerned even if the owners of the restaurant were Thai.
    Kim said he was shocked to learn that members of the Thai community were offended by the name. Upon learning about the letter, he e-mailed Sarntivijai immediately and requested a meeting. Kim said he and the other owners wanted to explain the name to TSA members.

    After hearing the reasons for the name. TSA offered "No's Thai," "Noe Thai!" and "No Thai!: by Mr. No" as possible alternatives to the existing name.

    "They said that the name was not discrimination and claimed that we were overreacting," Sarntivijai said. "We thought it was ridiculous, but we understand that changing their name would be difficult."
    Kim said the name is essential to his restaurant's success.
    "This is the identity and name of the restaurant," he said. He added that changing the existing brand would be unrealistic.
    Instead, the No Thai! owners offered to post a letter in the restaurant explaining the context of the name.
    Sarntivijai said that though the letter explained the name, it did not apologize to the Thai community for what she said could be construed as an insult.

    Kim said he understood the concerns, but the story behind the name shouldn't be ignored.
    "They're taking it out of context," he said. "There is no hostility or discrimination implied. Of course, I can see why someone would be offended."

    TSA member Yingluck Thongpenyai said the context is irrelevant and the name is still offensive.
    "It's the name of the person, but the first impression is that they're saying 'No Thai people,' " she said. "It seemed obvious that they didn't care about the effect the name had on Thai people."

    Sarntivijai discussed TSA's concerns about the name at the recent Climate Matters conference, a University-sponsored forum held Nov. 5 at the Trotter Multicultural Center for students to discuss their concerns about campus atmosphere.

    LSA senior Jim Schreiber said he got Expect Respect, a University group that aims to ensure a campus climate of acceptance and diversity of which he is a member, involved in the matter after hearing Sarntivijai's concerns at the conference.

    TSA and Expect Respect have since started the "No Taste Campaign" to raise awareness of Thai students' concerns. Part of the campaign includes a Facebook.com group, which, as of last night, had 98 members.
    "We're not saying that we want people to boycott," Schreiber said. "We're trying to raise awareness. However, when people become aware of the issue, the end result tends to be that they decide not to eat there."
    Kim said the restaurant has loyal customers, including people of Thai descent, who continue to eat at the restaurant, which also has a location on North Fourth Avenue.

    He said the name was meant to be a "clever play on words" and "somewhat ironic." He said the name was meant to inspire curiosity in customers - not because it is offensive, but because it could mean the restaurant doesn't serve Thai food, even though it does serve Thai food and the word "Thai" is prominently displayed.

    "We wanted a name to show that we weren't some generic Thai restaurant," Kim said. "We wanted to be unique."
    But Schreiber said the name is still troubling.

    "It's an ambiguous name that can be taken offensively," he said. "Using nationality and ethnicity in a negative way is a bad marketing gimmick."
    Sarntivijai said that not all Thai students are upset with the name. She said most were puzzled, and some were indifferent.

    "To be honest, I'm pretty neutral," said Kongkom Hiranpradit, a College of Engineering senior and TSA member. "I feel a little offended, but I don't really care. I think the best solution would be for them to make a slight change to a name that is more clear."

    Kim said he might change the name if enough people are still offended by it after they learn the history of the name.

    "If it turns out that people understand the context of the name and feel that we are doing a true wrong, we would consider changing the name, but I don't feel that this is the case now," Kim said. "It's not a statement - it's a name."

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    Seems like the students have forgotten where they are studying & perhaps feel that all countries will naturally treat foreigners the way Thailand treats foreigners. Must be something of a rude awakening to be exposed to the real world.

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    The double pricing for foreigners at that cafe and in the neighborhood might be a good idea, seems to be a good thing here in Thailand.

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    Maybe we should protest the venues in Thailand that only allow locals and Japanese buinessmen

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    hmmmm, acting like big children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    "It seemed obvious that they didn't care about the effect the name had on Thai people."
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    TSA member Yingluck Thongpenyai said the context is irrelevant
    oh really? bollocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somchai
    'No Thai people,' " she said. "It seemed obvious that they didn't care about the effect the name had on Thai people."
    fok you somchai, Thais are the most racist people i have ever met.

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    I used to business in Ann Arbor. Plent of Thai, Chinese, Laotians etc. From Ann Arbor to Detroit. Kind of stick to their own. I managed to date a few. But for the most part they are racists themselves. To whites, balcks and non Thais.

    The Mussies were the worst. There are more Mussies in Michigan than you can shake a stick at. And they act arrogant and look down on everyone. Racist bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    The Mussies were the worst. There are more Mussies in Michigan than you can shake a stick at. And they act arrogant and look down on everyone. Racist bastards.
    Somehow I have a very hard time imagining that.

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    ^ and I thought that post would get Stroller fired up

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    Who"s fired up? Merely commented on it. Quite precious aren't you.

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    Just figured he would pop his evil arse in this thread and then you did. Surprised me!

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    The restaurant owners were probably sick & tired of the Thai whining - hence the name No Thai!

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    Hate to interrupt a good Thai bashing thread, but that's a really stupid name for a Thai restaurant in Michigan. I hope it closes within weeks because nobody goes. If it were a Mexican or Italian eatery, No Thai might be more appropriate.

    Carry on.

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    Well all I can hope is that the Americans don't ever let that Thai buy a house in America and starts double pricing on all their tourists attractions, oh, that would be racist and illegal, as I said before, fok you somchai.

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    A bit tasteless on reflection.
    Last edited by Frankenstein; 03-01-2008 at 12:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Owner
    we do not discriminate against anyone who comes into our restaurant
    Unless they're from Loas, in which case those nah lao fockers can get the fcuk out

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    Foking Thais talking about racism is the biggest foking joke in the world, I mean fok me these ****s wont even allow the Burmese to own mobile phones, a motorbike, or congregate in groups of 5 or more.

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    So, a new restaurant has opened with a name they don't like.

    Simple. Don't go there then.

    I remember the French government complaining to Margaret Thatcher over the use of "Waterloo" Station for the Eurostar. I believe an alternative of "Agincourt" was offered. LOL

    Perhaps the restaurant should change it's name to "Farang gin Thai". That should keep them happy.

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    so much for the 'mai pen rai' attitude!

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    Chiang Mai has highest number of llegal alien workers

    Police report crime on the rise in the north Chiang Mai has highest number of llegal alien workers
    Saksit Meesubkwang

    On December 16, 2007 at the Provincial Police Bureau, Region 5 in Muang Chiang Mai, Pol. Lt. Gen. Theerasak Chookitkhun, commissioner of the Provincial Police Bureau, Region 5, confirmed that 26 illegal alien workers had been arrested, and 150 motorcycles were confiscated as evidence.
    The Commissioner said that the number of criminal cases in Chiang Mai and in the Northern provinces involving crimes such as snatching, stealing, breaking and entering, and motorbike thefts was steadily increasing.
    A crackdown of illegal aliens, showed that most of them owned motorbikes, but admitted to the fact that they had very little knowledge of traffic regulations and that accidents were subsequently caused.
    Police said that they are checking to see if the motorbikes had been reported stolen.
    But if the bikes are found to belong to their employers then the owners will be fined 2,000 baht for allowing the alien to use them. If the offence was committed again then the bikes would be confiscated.
    Chiang Mai has the highest number of illegal alien workers in Thailand, as it is the first large city that they arrive at, before continuing on to work in other provinces.
    The three main routes used by illegal aliens are, Mae Hong Son to Chiang Mai, Mae Sai in Chiang Rai to Chiang Mai and from Chiang Dao district to Chiang Mai.
    Illegal entry is made easier by dishonest officers who charge between 5,000 and 8,000 baht each who help them from being detected and arrested by the authorities.

    Chiang Mai Mail

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    Well, reading the article above, I think the police in America should be allowed to confiscate any assets owned by Thais in America that have violated their visa, ie overstay or whatever, seems fair to me

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    The Thais are so incredibly racist - it's sickening.

    They rely on the cheap labour supplied by foreign workers, but yet, treat them with utter disrespect & disdain. They have no rights whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    a restaurant called No Thai!
    Good job it wasn't called 'Jim's place'!

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    Couldn't ask for better free publicity.

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