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    Jail in Thailand - is it really that bad?

    Just finished reading 'Welcome to Hell' (Colin Martin) , an Irish guy locked up in Thailand - fairly horrendous story and recent too (only let out last year)

    So I guess Jail here is still as bad as ever - is it the same do you think regardless of what you are charged with?

    Also why does the Thai population at large not give a shit about how prisoners are treated - do they not feel embarassed that they treat other humans like animals in their own country?

    If all that was written in that book is true then the prison system here sounds like something out of the Middle Ages - torture , beatings, murder and blatant corruption from the Judges down to the nurses in the hospital wings - why do they accept this ?



    Anyone else read that book by the way ......any views?

    I felt sorry for the guy really although he seemed to be a bit idiotic allowing himself to get ripped off as he did - well he was well and truly shafted - even his 'wife' took him to the cleaners once he was inside and then offered to 'sell' him his son back. - what a bitch!

    I guess I'm safe in that respect as I hardly have any cash anyway.
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    ^ I think society (here) not caring about how prisoners are treated is the mentality in general, that "they are bad."

    Sentences can be Draconian.

    In LDC and poorer countries, the prisoners get what's left: mystery meat, and bad treatment.

    What was he locked up for, CE?

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    He had a fight with someone who was involved in ripping him off 500,000 U.S - and 'supposedly' killed him by mistake (although a body was not found )

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    Being in prison anywhere must be a complete nightmare. Locked in a small room with another human being - arrghh! Hell is other People.

    Q: Name the heaviest ever jockey to ride a Derby winner......



    A: Lester Piggott's cell-mate.....

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    So are Thais latent sadists then?

    I mean reading some of the stuff in that book and others leads me to beleive they are quite fucked in the head - ok , some criminals are bad but would you actually take pleasure in torturing, degrading and killing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colourful-era
    He had a fight with someone who was involved in ripping him off 500,000 U.S - and 'supposedly' killed him by mistake (although a body was not found )
    What was the natonality of the person he killed?

    Sounds like a business deal gone bad.

    Also, if there was no body, how was he convicted (Yes, I know a person can be convicted of murder in many places without a body being found).

    Anyway, all this said, when I come to LOS soon for holiday I'll buy the book!

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    The man he 'killed' was from New Zealand.

    How was he convicted - it all sounded like a scam involving another dodgy New Zealander who probably knew corrupt cops.

    Basically he was convicted for not 'paying his way out' - early on in the case he was told he could be freed if he paid 300,000B - but he was broke and also indignant to the Thai legal system.

    There seemed to be a lot of corrupt lawyers on the scene who were just busy fleecing him of cash and pretending to be helping.

    Even his wife ran off with his bail money sent to her from his family in Ireland (40,000 US) - this finished him off really.

    The guy who got him convicted ( the one who ripped him off) was also a professional con man who may have been good at convincing the police as well.

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    ^ I'll definately buy it.

    But I must say....it sounds like 3 or more people were bad....

    I can understand one...but all these people screwing this guy?

    Some attract these sort of things. Or, mayb he's projecting. Or, maybe he just got screwed.

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    I have just realised yesterday that the about 100 metres away is the local prison.

    Never noticed until the other day.

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    yeah, I only just realised I drive past Klong Prem prison (BK Hilton) twice everyday - you can see it from the expressway to the airport. Fairly sinister looking watchtower there, like an air traffic control centre. Serious lighting there at night as well .



    Quote Originally Posted by Snaff
    But I must say....it sounds like 3 or more people were bad....

    I can understand one...but all these people screwing this guy?

    Some attract these sort of things. Or, mayb he's projecting. Or, maybe he just got screwed.

    I think the guy didn't really do himself any favours but the book is a little sparse on detail at time. Sounds like he was too straight laced really and it took him quite a while to suss things out.

    But even so , he was well and truly fucked by several people according to his book.

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    in all he lost his house , at least 500,000 US , his business , TWO wives and 1 son. Not to mention 8 years of freedom.

    And he got TB in the nick , torture , beatings and ridicule.

    Still at least he's not doing Tefl eh...

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    Last year we have visited my brother in law at Klong Pai prison. From the visitors view everything looked not so bad but you don't see anything about how it looks inside and how the conditions are there.

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    well according to this guy everything was a front in the visitors section and in the hospital wing the clean sheets were only ever used just before inspectors came , then put away again and out with the soiled ones just to humiliate the prisoners even more.


    guess this fits the superficial nature of this odd country.


    still I don't know any of this first hand but I beleive it.

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    I don't know, I only know that he cried while he talked with my wife. I hope he got the food we bought for him at the restaurant outside the visitors area.

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    I only know about the holding cell in Pattaya, they got like 60 scum bags in their most times and one open toilet, ie everyone gets to see and smell your shite, they have a gaurd at the door who will not intervene if one of the prisoners is attacked or killed, they all sleep on the floor and the best way to sneak vodka into them is to put it into water bottles, they dont check them

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I only know about the holding cell in Pattaya, they got like 60 scum bags in their most times and one open toilet, ie everyone gets to see and smell your shite, they have a gaurd at the door who will not intervene if one of the prisoners is attacked or killed, they all sleep on the floor and the best way to sneak vodka into them is to put it into water bottles, they dont check them
    Sounds like the holding cell in Contrat Costa county CA up 'till about 1980 somethin'

    Putin on a show for the inspectors, guards ignorng violence rape and torture or even taking part in it; doesn;t just take place in Thai or 'Third World' type prisons man. Hard people in them places, on both sides of the fence; you get hard your damnself or perish.

    Don't know the author, never read the book, but "I was in prison and the treatment was much like any other prison; shitty" don't sell too well, do it? I'd like to hear what Fab's brother has to say about conditions where he's at.
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    Coco?

    You were in Co-Co Frankie? A friend of mine spent a little time there back in the mid-90's. He didn't have to go back for any serious time though - his fiancee put a bullet though his heart while he was out on bail!

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    spent six months 'on the steel' in 1970 fuckin hell hole, not like the new hilton they had after the late 70's early eighties man.
    90 motherfuckers locked in the 'Day room' (a 20 ft X 20 ft barred cage) from 5:00 AM 'til 8:00 PM had one shitter and one shower stall, the only one on the tier.
    Fuckin' 5 inch by 12 inch glass holes with telephones for visits. You'be talkin to your sweetie and some sick fucker'd be peekin over your shoulder jackin off under his coveralls.
    Food was dried fruit inthe mornin' that'd been boiled and serverd up as 'stewed fruit' lunch was watery bean of mystery meat sandwiches (1). beverage was coffee dinner was cool, we'd occasionally get road kill or somesuch shit.
    There was no supervision or surveillance. couple a pretty boys got fucked inthe shower while I was there. Seen many a dude carried out feet first in the mornin'.
    I was in and out of the hellhole maybe 10 times between 1970 and '74. five dudes in a 8X10 cell. Was locked in with one mass-murder name of Shorty Schrekengost and some other dude called the 'San Pablo Rapist.'
    He had 45 years to life and was back for another trial. On the way to a lawyer interview one time, read the warning about him "has stated he has nothing to lose by his actions here" "three guards to accompany him at all times" Fuckin impressed me it did, bein' he was my celly.

    The holding cell was in the basement. ou could languish there for three, four, hell 7 days waiting to get booked.
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    My Thai mate just got 45 days I think....so I'll ask him when he gets out.

    Poor bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    I'd like to hear what Fab's brother has to say about conditions where he's at.
    I could ask his sister tomorrow (it's my brother in law). As it seems he is writing letters sometimes.

    Oh, and he got a lot longer than Ken's mate. I am not sure if you go to such a state prison for 45 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colourful-era
    yeah, I only just realised I drive past Klong Prem prison (BK Hilton) twice everyday - you can see it from the expressway to the airport. Fairly sinister looking watchtower there, like an air traffic control centre. Serious lighting there at night as well .
    CE I use the same road all the time and havent seen it. Are you sure its Klong Prem, as its way out in Nontaburi, and Bang Kwan is on Nong Muan Wong road. This has me confused.

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    'Serious lighting'?, 'watchtower, like an air traffic control centre'?

    No, CE is confused, it IS the bloody airport.

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    well maybe it is bangkwam prison?

    it's not the airport..... it's on the way from Bangkok to Rangsit thus on the left hand side - just across from Rajaviti hospital.

    my map says it's Klong Prem but maybe it's wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    I'd like to hear what Fab's brother has to say about conditions where he's at.
    Finally I remembered to ask about him today. It seems like he has not wrote a letter since we visted him. My wife thought he may be "too sad to write". I would be sad too if I could only hope for royal pardon or else spend the next 99 years in prison. Anyway, she plans to visit him soon so maybe more then about the conditions.

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    My mate paid to get himself out on Friday (he was supposed to do 45 days, he did around 15 or so), 10K!

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