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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Regardless, some adapt to driving here and do not bitch about it and make it seem like everywhere else is top flight. We could all spend hours posting vids from countries showing accidents and wrecks to drive home ones point. Trust me, The UK and the US has endless vids of accidents and wrecks from Webcams. As I said there are poor skilled drivers everywhere. I just saw and witnessed more in California then I ever see here and wouldn't one expect more from a 1st world country with all the best roads and efficiencies as Texpat commented about? Driving here is a cake walk and I drive a lot around the country.
    In the west you expect standards, but when road anarchy is normal as it is here the main plus is that you intuitively drive/ride defensively knowing that someone out there is aiming for you but not where when or how it will happen. Sometimes it's like a computer game with a half dozen idiots doing improvise on the same screen.

    Sure some farangs also go off the rails, but the difference is if they hold a western license they are mad drivers not bad drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    think you're a good driver when in fact you're a shit driver with bad to insane habits that cost lives.
    True that. I've found myself totally ignoring pelican crossings now and I do use aggression as well as being defensive and thinking what could be coming. I forcibly nudge the car out a little at junctions to scare others into stopping so I can then go and I do that chickenhead triple head nod on the scooter to pull out in front of people.
    I'd get banned in the UK in no time now I reckon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Big negativo on that bud.
    Road rage and non-courteous driving is the default mode for 99% of drivers in America.
    Here, if one wants to merge into traffic, it's no problem.
    Once one gets the 'lay of the land' as it were and adjusts to wrong-way motocye & other vehicular traffic coming at you from the wrong lane, it just becomes normal state of affairs.

    Those who bitch about non-adherence to traffic laws in LOS make me laugh. Since when have Thais in general ever pay attention to the LAW? 555
    Perhaps you could explain how I was able to drive around LA, from LA to Vegas and around Vegas, without any of this nonsense you describe. Perhaps I was lucky eh?

    Or, perhaps, after a couple of years of listening to baldy orange cunto, you think that just lying all the time is the norm.

    As for "bitching about non-adherence to traffic laws", it's what is needlessly killing a near-world record chunk of the population per capita.

    People *should* be bitching about it.

    What other laws they choose to ignore are symptomatic of the same problem: Lack of will to do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Those who bitch about non-adherence to traffic laws in LOS make me laugh. Since when have Thais in general ever pay attention to the LAW? 555
    Guess you haven't lost loved ones or been seriously injured due to idiotic driving in Thailand, then.

    Because if you had you'd surely be bellyaching verbosely about it across several fora.

    555.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    There ya go, talking like a true westerner. In the real world, in our case Thailand, the longer you drive without knowing wtf you're doing but managing to survive, the easier it is to think you're a good driver when in fact you're a shit driver with bad to insane habits that cost lives.
    It's crazy here but manageable.

    Discussed his topic with the missus many times and we've come to realize that compared to Brazil where we drove for 6 years, LOS is a tad more dangerous but...you adapt.

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    Never been to Brazil, and while India is worse than LoS with I'm sure even more dangerous places around the world it's LoS we were discussing and comparing against the civilised world; and that's a no contest.

    Makro time, will I won't I make it back?

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    A big difference in Thailand is that idiots just keep on reoffending until they hit the carnage jackpot.

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    Thailand is worse than India, Brazil, the Gulf, Turkey, and any other country in Asia.

    It has the fatalities to prove it. And that's even after they take out the ones that don't die at the scene.

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    In terms of fatalities it's worse.

    But the video you put up from Chiang Mai might indicate why car drivers might not find it so.

    A very high proportion of incidents were at night, in built up areas involving motorcyclists. Personally I'm barely ever on the roads of Thailand after dark.

    As a car driver in the daytime I feel my life is in far greater danger in the gulf than in Thailand. Under threat from mostly stone cold sober nutters.

    If I were ever one of 15 people in the back of a pick up truck in Chiang Mai over Songkran then I would feel under greater threat than in the gulf, but that aint gonna happen.

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    Originally Posted by Dillinger
    I know you Yanks like to think everythings bigger and better in the States

    Was not thinking in that way at all...



    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Italian couple crushed to death by oil tanker in southern Thailand

    Cause of death - break failure.



    https://www.thairath.co.th/content/1507788
    Just a couple of weeks ago, less than 20 miles from where I live...

    Wisconsin couple killed in their RV because trucker didn't even use his brakes...




    Minocqua couple killed in multi-vehicle crash along I-65 in southern Indiana
    https://www.wsaw.com/content/news/Mi...505833291.html

    SEYMOUR, Ind. (AP) -- Authorities say three people have died in a southern Indiana crash involving five vehicles that left two semitrailers fully engulfed in flames.
    The crash happened Wednesday along southbound Interstate 65 in Jackson County near the 54 mile marker north of Seymour.
    Indiana State Police said in statement that a semi-truck slowed in the left lane and a pickup driven by 67-year-old John W. Mumma of Philo, Illinois, slowed behind it. A motorhome driven by 57-year-old Glenn E. Cardelli of Minocqua, Wisconsin, that also was carrying his wife, 57-year-old wife Kathryn L. Cardelli, slowed behind them.
    A semi-truck failed to slow and hit the recreational vehicle, causing a chain-reaction crash. Police say Mumma and the Cardellis died in the crash.
    No one else was injured. The crash is under investigation.
    edit: sunny day, dry roads.

    My guesses: a) he fell asleep or b) he was fooling around with his mobile device...which is illegal for a CMV operator.

    Either way, he is up shit creek without a paddle.
    Last edited by SKkin; 02-03-2019 at 05:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Thailand is worse than India, Brazil, the Gulf, Turkey, and any other country in Asia.

    It has the fatalities to prove it. And that's even after they take out the ones that don't die at the scene.
    One expects any Thai league figures to be massaged, manipulated or pulled from the ether, but also could be road and other deaths in India are less likely to be reach officialdom.

    Fex an accident albeit a while back took out someone on the promenade not far from Bombay Sheraton, victim had no ID, no money, no nothing, shabby dress, obviously a mendicant, truck comes along to deliver the body not to hospital or morgue but straight to the crematorium, I hitched a ride, they chucked him on 200kg (100?) of the cheapest quality wood (rosewood for those that can pay), woke up their resident holy bloke to do a 2-minute piece, set him alight, naturally invited my contribution toward the cost of his wood, duly logged the bbq with a name that never existed to meet City funding requirements, and when I asked what happens next the guy laughed and said that's it, can go home now, we don't trouble the authorities with nobodies.

    I imagine that wasn't an isolated incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    In terms of fatalities it's worse.

    But the video you put up from Chiang Mai might indicate why car drivers might not find it so.

    A very high proportion of incidents were at night, in built up areas involving motorcyclists. Personally I'm barely ever on the roads of Thailand after dark.

    As a car driver in the daytime I feel my life is in far greater danger in the gulf than in Thailand. Under threat from mostly stone cold sober nutters.

    If I were ever one of 15 people in the back of a pick up truck in Chiang Mai over Songkran then I would feel under greater threat than in the gulf, but that aint gonna happen.
    I find driving in the Gulf a doddle, even the magic kingdom.

    Mind you, automated notification of speeding and red light jumping are having a big effect. I actually had one of my staff whinging because he'd been done twice for going through red lights and it cost him half his salary.

    I just reminded him that there's an easy way to avoid getting fined for it in the future; he hasn't been done since.

    We also put our company drivers through a defensive driving CBT course (they can't drive company vehicles until they do it).

    It reduced accidents from 75 a year to 7 (and 5 of those were the other drivers fault).

    There are still not a lot of coppers on the road but the cameras and speedtraps, and automated fines that go with them, are having a really good effect.

    It would be simple to do in Thailand but the resistance is obviously

    - It would reduce the opportunity for the filth to trouser "home made" fines.
    - There are a load of entitled pricks that think traffic fines are only for the peasants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Some states being exceptions, such as Ohio. "Smokey Bear" is always running speed traps around there. Oddly enough I can't recall Ohio having as many huge pile-ups as elsewhere.
    Sure as shit...soon after I post something like that. Didn't take long for the worthless nuts to make a liar out of me.

    I've got to stop watching the weather channel...

    60-vehicle crash closes Ohio highway for hours

    https://www.dispatch.com/news/201903...hway-for-hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Sure as shit...soon after I post something like that. Didn't take long for the worthless nuts to make a liar out of me.

    I've got to stop watching the weather channel...

    60-vehicle crash closes Ohio highway for hours

    https://www.dispatch.com/news/201903...hway-for-hours
    Well truth be told these multi car crash up derby's are more common and frequent then people would hear about. The reason being they only make big headlines when it's a record number of cars or there were lots of fatalities. That makes news because news sells. It's all about ratings.

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    2 days ago in Lakewood Colorado on I-70. Sunny dry day...green card, Hispanic driver's brakes fail going down hill. Reaches 85 MPH, bypasses truck runaway ramps, carnage ensues. 4 dead in Colorado.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/2...olorado-mills/



    Number of vehicles involved was updated after the Denver Post story I linked came out...

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    Que pasa? No habla Ingles?



    Video shows a semitrailer out of control in mountains ahead of fiery I-70 crash
    https://kdvr.com/2019/04/26/video-sh...ry-i-70-crash/

    The video shows the truck swerving across multiple lanes of traffic along the interstate and driving past a runaway truck ramp.

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