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    Koh Tao: Dad becomes TENTH Westerner to die mysteriously on deaths island

    Koh Tao: Dad becomes TENTH Westerner to die mysteriously on Thailand's 'death island' as family fear sinister explanation

    Thai authorities believe 'fit and healthy' Bernd Grotsch, 47, died of “heart failure” or a snake bite - but his family believe there may be something more sinister behind his death
    A dad-of-one has become the tenth Westerner to die in mysterious circumstances on Thailand's infamous 'death island'.
    Bernd Grotsch, 47, was found dead at his home in the heart of the jungle on the notorious island of Koh Tao on June 17.


    The German had recently returned to the island 'to tie up some loose ends' with his 20-year-old motorbike rental business.
    His family, who described him as 'fit' and 'healthy', claim authorities told them he died of “heart failure” or had been “bitten by a snake”.
    But they say they haven't received an autopsy report and believe there is something more sinister behind his death.


    Bernd Grotsch, 47, was found dead at his home on the notorious island of Koh Tao on June 17

    The family, from Ingolstadt, Germany, have also complained about his body being sent to the same Bangkok hospital that carried out botched reports on the bodies of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.
    The pair were murdered on the same island in 2014.
    Experts across the world slammed the DNA testing done by the hospital at the time - amid claims it was tampered with in order to scapegoat two Burmese workers currently on death row over the killings.
    Mr Grotsch's cousin Christina told The Sun the were "no explanation" for the death of the dad at his home in Mae Haad.
    She said: "He was fit, healthy and happy. We do not trust the authorities in Thailand, especially since there are some oddities.

    Bernd's family claim authorities told them he died of “heart failure” or had been “bitten by a snake”



    His mother Pat Harrington did not accept the explanation by Thai police and has spent years fighting for information from the Thai authorities about her son's death, including submitting Freedom of Information requests to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
    Mrs Harrington said she is suspicious of the explanation and had to fight to prevent his body being quickly cremated: "[Thai authorities] wanted to cremate Ben the next day, but I screamed and shouted and it was stopped.
    "I had awful problems getting anyone on the phone at first."

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    That last paragraph is the same article but a different story.

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    Yet another suspicious death on Koh Tao A.K.A Death Island

    Another suspicious death has come to light on Koh Tao, dubbed Death Island after a spate of unexplained tourist deaths over the last five years.
    The latest victim is Bernd Grotsch (47) from Ingolstadt who was one of the most well-known foreign business owners in Koh Tao. Grotsch successfully ran a motorbike shop “Lederhosen Bikes” in what were sometimes difficult circumstances, until out of the blue his body was discovered in a house in the jungle near Mae Haad on the 17th of June.
    As usual when somebody dies on Koh tao there are more questions than answers as to how and why he died. His family, in Bavaria, have unsuccessfully been pushing for a post mortem. As of today, they have received no autopsy results, only vague explanations and conjectures of possible death by snake bite, (he was known to keep snakes), or heart failure, with no supporting evidence. The family is not willing to accept these hypotheses without concrete medical evidence

    Yet another suspicious death on Koh Tao A.K.A Death Island - Samui Times

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    From the article....The German had recently returned to the island 'to tie up some loose ends' with his 20-year-old motorbike rental business



    Has Monsod and his mob got an alibi, not that it matters.

    RIP

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    It's Thai-bashing (apparently) to voice suspicions of Thai criminality or ineptitude.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Has Monsod and his mob got an alibi, not that it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    It's Thai-bashing (apparently) to voice suspicions of Thai criminality or ineptitude.
    Surely "AND"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    That last paragraph is the same article but a different story.

    Yes , click the link it gives details of all the 10 who died on the Island ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Surely "AND"?
    Haha. Could be.
    Sometimes they occur seperately.
    Last edited by Maanaam; 11-07-2018 at 01:48 PM.

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    Snake bite, well that's a new one, no evidence of course.

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    Here's a question for TDCSI. .

    What do all the deaths on Koh Tao have in common?

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    ^ People Died?

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    Dig deeper..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    ^ People Died?
    On an island?

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    Ahh...they were all white people! Racism card.

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    i was in koh tao a few weeks ago. tried hard to drink myself to death but failed

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    And lived, now that's a story. I've been trying to pickle my self as well.
    I don't think a bike shop on an Island will work for me however. I may have a few loose screws but am not nutz.
    At least at this point anyway.

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    Some insight into his business

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g303910-i9415-k5488259-o20-Don_t_use_Lederhosen_bikes_overcharging-Koh_Tao_Surat_Thani_Province.html


    Don't use Lederhosen bikes - overcharging

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    Jun 8, 2012, 11:12 PM


    I know it's a well worn topic, but if someone reads this and avoids this company, then my post has served it's purpose.....
    So I rented a CRF250 from Lederhosen bikes (great bike for getting around the island BTW)
    The usual passport for deposit and paid for 4 days rental upfront.
    What's unusual with my story is that I did no damage whatsoever to the bike - I lost the key, somewhere around Og thian beach.
    After searching everywhere I had been, I finally conceded and called the shop to tell them I had lost the key.
    The Thai wife of the owner answered, and asked me to come and get the spare key as she's 'too busy'. Not wanting to pay a round trip with the local taxis I asked if she could at least give the key to a taxi and send him to the resort where I could meet and pay him. 'No' was the helpful reply. Knowing that I was looking at a 800b taxi fare, I asked the resort staff if one of them would be willing to rent me their bike for 20 mins for 300b. I'd rather pay them too much than the taxi mafia.....
    So I went to the shop to get the key. The Thai wife, the owner and his partner was there - so much for not being able to assist me in getting the key sent....
    Anyways, the owner tells me "You do know that I will need to change the full lock set, (4 pieces - ignition, tank, side panel and helmet lock). I ask "why not just copy the master?"
    "Because someone may find the key and come steal my bike"..?!?
    The key had no keychain or any identifying mark on it, apart from the lock barrel number, so I asked "how they would know out of hundreds of Hondas on the island, that it was his bike?"
    His shouted reply "BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE THE NUMBER!!" He's referring to the lock barrel number, which incidentally isn’t viewable on the ignition keyhole, it's more used if calling Honda to identify the keyset. So i then asked "so what's to stop your next customer copying the key, and coming back to steal the bike? Will you replace the lockset each time?!?" then he waved the 'contract' in my face, where it does say for lost keys they will replace the lockset.
    During the time I was searching for the key I also googled Lederhosen bikes, and came across a few stories where they had overcharged on repairs, and/or came up with damage scams, so I asked "ok, how much for the set?"
    He replied "I don't know, it's a new bike, so I will have to call Honda"
    With his overcharging history in mind, I said "Well look, I have 2 passports, you don't have me over a barrel, so don't try to overcharge me". With this he was visibly furious, asked where the bike was, and took his wife to go collect the bike. All the while I'm trying to say, "well get a price and we can talk about it", as I admit I'd probably jumped the gun by saying what I had said, but he wasnt listening, and shot of on his bike.
    I made my way back to the resort on the Wave I had borrowed where my girlfriend was waiting. We then walked to where we had left the CRF and it was still there. Haad thian resort has 2 entrances, and clearly he'd gone to the wrong one. I called the shop, he answered and he asked in a civil manner where the bike was, I explained, tried to apologise for mentioning my 2 passports and again tried talking about what we was going to do about replacing the lock, and that I didn't want to lose the bike a day early - he didn't reply, I was talking to myself as he didn't hang up, just put the phone down on the table while he jumped on his bike again. His people skills were starting to annoy me now...
    He eventually skidded up, dropped his wife off, and sped off again without saying a word. We talked to the wife for a while, she said he was mad, and she took the bike back.
    We hitched a ride back most of the way to the shop, during which time I called Honda in Surat Thani to get a price for a replacement key (300b) and a price for the full set (3600b) and then sent a message saying "Send me a reasonable price and there is no problem for me to pay. It's in the contract, So I can stand by it. Reasonable means cost plus fitting minus a days rental. Cheers"
    There was no reply, so when we reached the shop the wife gave me the contract, where they had totalled up a bill. He had written near the labour charge "2 people to go collect bike" - implying there was a charge because he had spat his dummy and went to collect the bike!
    Anyway the bill was 7000b, 3 hrs labour at 1000b an hour.....(take a bike to a Honda service centre, it's 440b an hour) He was overcharging and I was mad - £143 for a key!!..... I said ok, we'll be in touch and went back to our room to think about what to do.
    Around 6pm that day I got the missus to send a text in thai asking for a discount and offering 5000b. No reply until 8am the next day saying "very sorry, we can't"
    I had offered 5000b for a 300b key, and was refused...
    By now I had decided I would rather lose the passport than pay this guy anything, so I went to the police. The police chief, Ja Chet, was shocked at the 7000b charge, and laughed saying he wouldn't change the lock anyway, and how would anyone know its his bike if they found the key etc etc. He explained he had had dealings with this guy beating another customer with a stick after some disagreement, and other cases of overcharging and damage claims.
    I called my embassy in Bangkok to ask for advice. They said they could issue a letter asking the police to collect the passport and return it to the embassy, where it would be cancelled (not sure why it would have to be cancelled??) but this would be more work for all parties and I'd be just as well reporting it lost, as the outcome is the same.
    Ja Chet made me a police report. All the while saying 90% of rental shops do the same thing, and how the police are frustrated by it all.
    That night he sent a text saying 6000b, I sent the same reply in thai his wife had sent - very sorry, I can't.
    I left Koh Tao without the passport, but satisfied with the fact that he got nothing from me.
    I know many will say never leave your passport, and your right, you shouldn't, however, I very much doubt you could get an offroader from any shop on Koh tao without your passport as a deposit.



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    Robbo525 · Mar 27, 2013, 11:17 AM

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    #21 of 28 ·I own a security shop here on Koh Tao, i cut keys and have a 24hr emergency lock out service. a quadbike key costs 100BHT to copy, if you lose the key i can remove the ign barrel and decode the lock then cut a new key, takes about 90 mins to do and costs 1,000 BHT. The Germans guys name is Berno, he is well known on the island for ripping people off. recently i had 2 of his customers with lost keys, both left happy with a new key and didnt have to pay his extorsion rates. He will never change the lockset!! also the number on the key means nothing to anyone who knows nothing about locks, as for someone stealing his bike....where are they going to take it?? the island is so small you couldnt ride or hide it anywhere.
    if you are charged for any new parts, you should ask for the damaged parts, for you to keep, as you payed for them.
    Berno had a customer return a bike on a sunday, because the customer went to his house to get his passport back.....Berno pulled a gun out on him!!!! He is an Arrogant, stupid wife beating coward!!!



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    Murdered then, by a snake

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    There are all these stories about overcharging but the "offended" person doesn't run a business on a remote island and has no idea of the problems and pitfalls. Maybe it does cost 8000 baht to replace all the locks and keys? 1000 baht/hr workshop fee and his version of 440baht. What about lost revenue because the bike is in the shop. All the admin and buggering around because a stupid/careless person lost the key.
    People whinge and complain but never see the other-side of the coin.

    Anyway our German former friend had an ex-wife and ex-business and doesn't anymore. He was probably living his dream not his ex-wife's dream.
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly94 View Post
    Murdered then, by a snake
    Don't quote me, I'm not a herpetologist, but I would have thought that a snake would leave a distinct bite mark and thus the conclusion would be pretty solid...but the police only speculating that it was death from a snake seems to be grasping at a straw that doesn't exist.

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    ^ Usually a corpse full of snake venom is a dead give away. What is the first part of that Thai word for police again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    What is the first part of that Thai word for police again?
    Heh, I must remember that one.

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    Some insight into his business

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopi..._Province.html


    Don't use Lederhosen bikes - overcharging

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    Jun 8, 2012, 11:12 PM


    I know it's a well worn topic, but if someone reads this and avoids this company, then my post has served it's purpose.....
    So I rented a CRF250 from Lederhosen bikes (great bike for getting around the island BTW)
    The usual passport for deposit and paid for 4 days rental upfront.
    What's unusual with my story is that I did no damage whatsoever to the bike - I lost the key, somewhere around Og thian beach.
    After searching everywhere I had been, I finally conceded and called the shop to tell them I had lost the key.
    The Thai wife of the owner answered, and asked me to come and get the spare key as she's 'too busy'. Not wanting to pay a round trip with the local taxis I asked if she could at least give the key to a taxi and send him to the resort where I could meet and pay him. 'No' was the helpful reply. Knowing that I was looking at a 800b taxi fare, I asked the resort staff if one of them would be willing to rent me their bike for 20 mins for 300b. I'd rather pay them too much than the taxi mafia.....
    So I went to the shop to get the key. The Thai wife, the owner and his partner was there - so much for not being able to assist me in getting the key sent....
    Anyways, the owner tells me "You do know that I will need to change the full lock set, (4 pieces - ignition, tank, side panel and helmet lock). I ask "why not just copy the master?"
    "Because someone may find the key and come steal my bike"..?!?
    The key had no keychain or any identifying mark on it, apart from the lock barrel number, so I asked "how they would know out of hundreds of Hondas on the island, that it was his bike?"
    His shouted reply "BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE THE NUMBER!!" He's referring to the lock barrel number, which incidentally isn’t viewable on the ignition keyhole, it's more used if calling Honda to identify the keyset. So i then asked "so what's to stop your next customer copying the key, and coming back to steal the bike? Will you replace the lockset each time?!?" then he waved the 'contract' in my face, where it does say for lost keys they will replace the lockset.
    During the time I was searching for the key I also googled Lederhosen bikes, and came across a few stories where they had overcharged on repairs, and/or came up with damage scams, so I asked "ok, how much for the set?"
    He replied "I don't know, it's a new bike, so I will have to call Honda"
    With his overcharging history in mind, I said "Well look, I have 2 passports, you don't have me over a barrel, so don't try to overcharge me". With this he was visibly furious, asked where the bike was, and took his wife to go collect the bike. All the while I'm trying to say, "well get a price and we can talk about it", as I admit I'd probably jumped the gun by saying what I had said, but he wasnt listening, and shot of on his bike.
    I made my way back to the resort on the Wave I had borrowed where my girlfriend was waiting. We then walked to where we had left the CRF and it was still there. Haad thian resort has 2 entrances, and clearly he'd gone to the wrong one. I called the shop, he answered and he asked in a civil manner where the bike was, I explained, tried to apologise for mentioning my 2 passports and again tried talking about what we was going to do about replacing the lock, and that I didn't want to lose the bike a day early - he didn't reply, I was talking to myself as he didn't hang up, just put the phone down on the table while he jumped on his bike again. His people skills were starting to annoy me now...
    He eventually skidded up, dropped his wife off, and sped off again without saying a word. We talked to the wife for a while, she said he was mad, and she took the bike back.
    We hitched a ride back most of the way to the shop, during which time I called Honda in Surat Thani to get a price for a replacement key (300b) and a price for the full set (3600b) and then sent a message saying "Send me a reasonable price and there is no problem for me to pay. It's in the contract, So I can stand by it. Reasonable means cost plus fitting minus a days rental. Cheers"
    There was no reply, so when we reached the shop the wife gave me the contract, where they had totalled up a bill. He had written near the labour charge "2 people to go collect bike" - implying there was a charge because he had spat his dummy and went to collect the bike!
    Anyway the bill was 7000b, 3 hrs labour at 1000b an hour.....(take a bike to a Honda service centre, it's 440b an hour) He was overcharging and I was mad - £143 for a key!!..... I said ok, we'll be in touch and went back to our room to think about what to do.
    Around 6pm that day I got the missus to send a text in thai asking for a discount and offering 5000b. No reply until 8am the next day saying "very sorry, we can't"
    I had offered 5000b for a 300b key, and was refused...
    By now I had decided I would rather lose the passport than pay this guy anything, so I went to the police. The police chief, Ja Chet, was shocked at the 7000b charge, and laughed saying he wouldn't change the lock anyway, and how would anyone know its his bike if they found the key etc etc. He explained he had had dealings with this guy beating another customer with a stick after some disagreement, and other cases of overcharging and damage claims.
    I called my embassy in Bangkok to ask for advice. They said they could issue a letter asking the police to collect the passport and return it to the embassy, where it would be cancelled (not sure why it would have to be cancelled??) but this would be more work for all parties and I'd be just as well reporting it lost, as the outcome is the same.
    Ja Chet made me a police report. All the while saying 90% of rental shops do the same thing, and how the police are frustrated by it all.
    That night he sent a text saying 6000b, I sent the same reply in thai his wife had sent - very sorry, I can't.
    I left Koh Tao without the passport, but satisfied with the fact that he got nothing from me.
    I know many will say never leave your passport, and your right, you shouldn't, however, I very much doubt you could get an offroader from any shop on Koh tao without your passport as a deposit.



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    Robbo525 · Mar 27, 2013, 11:17 AM

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    #21 of 28 ·I own a security shop here on Koh Tao, i cut keys and have a 24hr emergency lock out service. a quadbike key costs 100BHT to copy, if you lose the key i can remove the ign barrel and decode the lock then cut a new key, takes about 90 mins to do and costs 1,000 BHT. The Germans guys name is Berno, he is well known on the island for ripping people off. recently i had 2 of his customers with lost keys, both left happy with a new key and didnt have to pay his extorsion rates. He will never change the lockset!! also the number on the key means nothing to anyone who knows nothing about locks, as for someone stealing his bike....where are they going to take it?? the island is so small you couldnt ride or hide it anywhere.
    if you are charged for any new parts, you should ask for the damaged parts, for you to keep, as you payed for them.
    Berno had a customer return a bike on a sunday, because the customer went to his house to get his passport back.....Berno pulled a gun out on him!!!! He is an Arrogant, stupid wife beating coward!!!

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