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    From Norton

    "The terms "undeveloped" and "successful" make it difficult for me to answer yes or no."

    I used the term "undeveloped" mainly because I couldn't think of a better term. It was probably a poor choice of words but the only one I could think of at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I used the term "undeveloped" mainly because I couldn't think of a better term
    ...how about Unmolested by European Aggression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The poms should have left all the crims, in the UK and did a mass exit to OZ.
    shit thats/ would have been a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...you can't run from history...

    . . .Send forth the best ye breed--
    Go bind your sons to exile
    To serve your captives' need;
    To wait in heavy harness,
    On fluttered folk and wild--
    Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
    Half-devil and half-child. . .

    . . .In patience to abide,
    To veil the threat of terror
    And check the show of pride;
    By open speech and simple,
    An hundred times made plain
    To seek another's profit,
    And work another's gain. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Send forth the best ye breed
    ...just what the world needs: more breeders...

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    "better, not more..." said the eugenicist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...how about Unmolested by European Aggression...
    Or the kinder and gentler: Civilising Mission
    Part and parcel of the deeper conditioned illusion that has plagued Occidental types, historically, as well as present day.

    Overwhelmingly, the greater percentage haven't a clue.
    Disconnections are DNA instinctive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Or the kinder and gentler: Civilising Mission
    Part and parcel of the deeper conditioned illusion that has plagued Occidental types, historically, as well as present day.

    Overwhelmingly, the greater percentage haven't a clue.
    Disconnections are DNA instinctive.

    The kinder civilising missions that have most probably been involved in around 20 million deaths since WW2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...just what the world needs: more breeders...
    I've been given to understand that Kipling's poem was directed at the US and its actions in the Philipines at that time...is that a correct understanding?

    Also understood it to mean that he was urging the US to take the path of the British re: colonialism/imperialism. To "take up the white man's burden."

    So how has that worked out for all concerned?

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    Comes back to haunt in ways you'll never recognize....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Comes back to haunt in ways you'll never recognize....
    ...and sometimes in ways you do: waves of immigration from former colonies and uppity browns and blacks demanding reparations for colonial degradation and insult...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...how about Unmolested by European Aggression...

    Yes, if that floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    What made the British model the most economically successful? Or do other TDers disagree and why?
    The Native Americans first discovered Canada. It was the European folk who claimed they were the founders and stripped them off their culture and dignity. So, I'm not a big fan of European colonization.

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    Pretty sure it was Asian nomads who first settled in the region. The discovering of Canada came some time later probably after the French arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thailandbound View Post
    The Native Americans first discovered Canada
    not sure if they "discovered it", but they did wander over there 10-20,000 years ago from siberia to alaska, during the ice age.



    Colonialism.... a comparison-560px-glyptodon_old_drawing-jpg


    The Lithic peoples or Paleo-Indians are the earliest known settlers of the Americas. The period's name derives from the appearance of "lithic flaked" stone tools.
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    ^Defnitely, last year there was a story of how a discovery of a 14,000 year old settlement in Canada changed history.

    The ancient stories of the indigenous Heiltsuk Nation people say that their ancestors sheltered on a mysterious strip of coastline in Canada during the last Ice Age. Thanks to a recent discovery of a 14,000-year-old settlement, science is now reaffirming those claims.

    The discovery was made last year along the Central Coast of British Columbia on Triquet Island, CBC Newsreports. Teams of archaeologists from the Hakai Institute, University of Victoria, and local First Nations found the remains of charcoal, tools, fish hooks, spears used to hunt marine mammals, and even a hand drill used for lighting fires.

    Based on the analysis of charcoal found, it’s estimated the settlement was established around 13,613 to 14,086 years ago. This makes it one of the oldest human settlements in North America. It also means it's twice as old as the invention of the wheel, three times older than the Pyramids of Giza, and thousands of years before all of the ice age megafauna went extinct.
    There is also evidence to suggest that the sea-level around Triquet Island has remained remarkably stable for 15,000 years throughout the end of the last Ice Age. This again confirms that this area acted as a haven of stability over the millennia, just as the Heiltsuk Nation have said all along.


    Archaeologists excavate deep into the ground of the island. Grant Callegari/Hakai Institute

    The finding also helps explain how early North Americans migrated through British Columbia. One theory says that humans came from Asia and traversed across a bridge of land that connects Russia to Alaska. The discovery on Triquet Island further supports that people first moved down the coast, most likely via boat, after coming across the land bridge. Previously, archaeologists suggested that humans had traveled on foot to this point. While people certainly would have traveled inland too, later on, this discovery shows that the coastal route likely occurred much earlier than the inland route.

    Now, armed with this knowledge, indigenous First Nation groups say they feel that they now have more credence and validity when entering the often heated battles for land rights.

    "When we do go into negotiations, our oral history is what we go to the table with," William Housty, a member of the Heiltsuk Nation, told CBC News."So now we don't just have oral history, we have this archaeological information. It's not just an arbitrary thing that anyone's making up... We have a history supported from Western science and archaeology."

    http://www.iflscience.com/editors-bl...rican-history/

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    ...generous reparations in the works for the Inuits then...or thoughts and prayers at least...
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    Colonialism.... a comparison-image-jpeg

    Possibly a a glimpse of thailandbound's ancestor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    generous reparations in the works for the Inuits then.
    Hopefully..

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    ...I suggest white kids be raised in Inuit orphanages, taught Inuit languages and be separated from their doting parents...

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    ^too soon to talk about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...I suggest white kids be raised in Inuit orphanages, taught Inuit languages and be separated from their doting parents...
    lol.. righto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...I suggest white kids be raised in Inuit orphanages, taught Inuit languages and be separated from their doting parents...
    Due to dad's work my little brother and I went to a one room school in northern Canada. He and I were the only non Indian kids. All the rest were Cree. Learned more at that school than any other I ever attended.

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    ...^and how have you returned the favor?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Due to dad's work my little brother and I went to a one room school in northern Canada. He and I were the only non Indian kids. All the rest were Cree. Learned more at that school than any other I ever attended.
    Residence schools? Some crazy stuff happened back then with the kiddly fiddler priests. Too many problems when the white man came and tried to take away the Aborignal's rights and culture. Known as a 'savage' back in the day. Sad, sad! Grew up near a Native Reserve and have worked on reservations in the past.

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