Thread: So called private estates

when u buy and move into a private estate, who do u pay the maintenance to, is there a contract, is it enforced, can u challenge the fee.... it seems to me they all suffer from a lack of tlc what recourse have u got.

Think I used to pay 10k baht a year when in Thailand and that covered the communal swimming pool, tennis courts, gym and general maintenance of communal areas, this was an estate on the darkside of Pattaya. Can't remember ever signing a contract as think the amount was just determined by the committee every year although I know they had problems collecting the money from some people as they just refused to pay, with excuses that they didn't use the swimming pool etc. Which in turn led more people to not pay with the argument being if they're not paying why should I.

^ Yup.

Same as with condos.


Calculated by the Sqm.

so bogan,,, you'r saying if a house is for sale,,, cheap,,,, its quite likely theres a claim against it.
???? an estate house that is

thanks for the feed back lads, by the way.

Originally Posted by lob

so bogan,,, you'r saying if a house is for sale,,, cheap,,,, its quite likely theres a claim against it.
???? an estate house that is

Not quite.

That could be for any number of reasons.

that info wouldn't be kept from you until after transfer, it's something that can't be hidden.

When buying a condo the juristic office has to supply 2 or 3 documents to be taken to the DoLT for the transfer, one them is a document stating that all fees have been paid and there are none outstanding.


I've only bought condos here, presume it is the same for a house in a private estate.

Have the same experience as buriamboy. Pool has been empty for months because people are refusing to pay.

Originally Posted by Luigi

^ Yup.

Same as with condos.


Calculated by the Sqm.

Difference being that in a Condo they just cut the water and power supply.

Perfect solution.

Some feedback on living in a gated estate or a Condo. Firstly and most importantly is that after the last one is sold the quality of the "Home association" service starts to immediately diminish. Pools are not kept as clean, security sleeps on the job. You do not see the guard on his golf cart anymore (Housing estates). Soon the gate is always up. The "Park" they first set up falls apart. It is standard fare here in Thailand as I have been told. YET they still demand the money. I have MANY Thai friends that complain about it all the time.

In fact the Condo I am renting is all sold now and people park wherever they want where as before it was strictly controlled. The gate card key works sometimes and when locked in can't find a guard to manually open it. The maids that used to mop the floors are gone. Glad I only rent here and have 1 week left.

All this is true and comes back to one simple rule.


Never buy in Thailand that you can't walk away from.

^

That's right Lu-lu but if i had bought my little gaffer 4 years ago when i started renting it i would of been 500 K up. They have increased that much.

Don't always work that way but eh.

Well, yeah, that is true.


I'm getting 8% and 10% off my BKK and CM condos.

You looking to buy bud, I'll cut you a good deal jing jing.

Same us. Our house has appreciated nearly 1 mil baht in 2+ years thanks to people buying up land and building big homes on them. All are BKK Thais wanting out of city. We had a realtor leave a card saying she had a Thai buyer interested. There are opportunities available depending on location

^

As per usual it all boils down to location.

Buy in a the wrong area and nothing moves. Plenty of these examples in Bangkok and upcountry.

Originally Posted by terry57

As per usual it all boils down to location.

Buy in a the wrong area and nothing moves. Plenty of these examples in Bangkok and upcountry.

I actually think it was JPPR2 that was looking at buying a house in Hua Hin, but sensibly rented it for a year first, after 6 month neighbour Somchai turns his plot into a pig farm. Got shit n split pig shit and noise 24hrs a day. He had to leave the gaff and fok off despite having another 6 months rent paid up in advance. Thank fok he didn't buy it (for his Thai wife)


Another member on here went to have a gaff built off a 'reputable' company up around Chiang Mai, in his absence, big mistake that.

Reputable company subbed it off to some local somchai fokwits, renegged on the cement quality, by the time he showed up on site it was ruined and cost him 500k baht. They had the first floor built and it started falling down as they still had the plastic cement bags encased in the foundation.

There's a great photo thread on it prolly 5+ yrs ago.


As said, never invest in The Thai that what you cannot simply walk away from.

Originally Posted by Luigi

I actually think it was JPPR2 that was looking at buying a house in Hua Hin, but sensibly rented it for a year first, after 6 month neighbour Somchai turns his plot into a pig farm. Got shit n split pig shit and noise 24hrs a day. He had to leave the gaff and fok off despite having another 6 months rent paid up in advance. Thank fok he didn't buy it (for his Thai wife)

It was me but foker started a chicken farm. Nice location in Cha Am. House was descent build. Small pool. Personally Hua Him is a congested dump in general. Ok to visit and enjoy fresh seafood but short of that it's way overpriced and beaches are not that nice.

Now I did not move here to make money on real estate. I moved here to relax and do what I want. I was fortunate to have been able to travel and live around Thailand and make some friends before I met my wife. My wife just happened to live in the north which was an area I highly preferred.

To LuLu's point. If you are uncertain and uncomfortable with your situation or wife only invest what you can afford to walk away from. This an especially good rule for the guy here that didn't really plan well and fell for the 1st girl he met in a bar...ć

Originally Posted by JPPR2

It was me but foker started a chicken farm. Nice location in Cha Am. House was descent build. Small pool. Personally Hua Him is a congested dump in general. Ok to visit and enjoy fresh seafood but short of that it's way overpriced and beaches are not that nice.

Now I did not move here to make money on real estate. I moved here to relax and do what I want. I was fortunate to have been able to travel and live around Thailand and make some friends before I met my wife. My wife just happened to live in the north which was an area I highly preferred.

To LuLu's point. If you are uncertain and uncomfortable with your situation or wife only invest what you can afford to walk away from. This an especially good rule for the guy here that didn't really plan well and fell for the 1st girl he met in a bar...ć

That's not really all of Mao's point though.

He's also under the impression that all Thai women are like the skanky hos whose minges he takes close up pictures of and posts on this forum.

Thus anyone buying a house under their wife's name is a loser.

Depending on whose situation he's talking about he'll couch it in differing terms. You seem to qualify for the toned down version.

Hellu.

Actually the point was the neighbors can suddenly open a chicken farm and then yer fooked.

There are many "gated" communities in/around Pattaya where the Russian owners don't pay their fees. Just saying.

Originally Posted by cyrille

That's not really all of Mao's point though.

I knew what Mao (Oops, I mean Luigi...Oops I meant Master Cool...Oops I meant Auroria..or is it Huang Lao...) dig he was making. All good though. I have read here he is a little guy with security issues..... Never met him or his 6 or so other personalities.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Hellu.

Actually the point was the neighbors can suddenly open a chicken farm and then yer fooked.

And that is absolutely true LuLu. There are no zoning controls in Thailand. Just do whatever the hell ya like and who cares about their neighbors. I especially like the ones who buy homes in an estate or new Mooban then immediately build a cover on the side of the house where the eaves hang over the wall into the neighbors yard so when it rains it floods their yard and not the owners.

There was a dig?


As an aside, been browsing property down the Eastern seaboard lately, and it's certainly cheaper than down the western side.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Thank fok he didn't buy it (for his Thai wife)

Originally Posted by cyrille

thus anyone buying a house under their wife's name is a loser.

^ I think he saw it as a dig. I don't take it personal. Many feel it idiotic to buy anything here in Thailand. I can understand that.

But as I have said numerous times, its no different then the U.S. in many regards. If you are married there your Wife owns it, if you split good luck trying to sell it. plus in the U.S. No one really owns their home, the bank holding your 30 year loan does and if you are so lucky to pay it off, the government does because you have property tax until you die. To me it all the same really.