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    UK: Labour leak

    To set the record straight I'm pretty apolitical.
    I rarely get involved in the festering swamp of debate and discussion that pervades our lives like a suppurating rash. Particularly or perhaps especially so since the advent of "Social Media".
    IMHO all politicians are corrupt as are, by definition, political parties.
    There is no honesty or integrity in politics, if there ever was, and as the USA fiasco has demonstrated truth is dead.

    However, because I was bored I read this article and the links that follow on from it.

    Given the abject failure of British governments over the last few years would some of the ideas proposed here be any worse?
    Would such radical changes and, in many ways returns to the past, be such a bad thing.

    It could hardly get any worse?





    General election 2017: Labour manifesto draft leaked.


    General election 2017: Labour manifesto draft leaked - BBC News

    According to the draft, Labour would:

    Spend an extra £8bn on social care over the next Parliament

    Refuse to make "false promises" on immigration

    Stress that any leader should be "extremely cautious" about using Trident nuclear weapons, which leader Jeremy Corbyn opposes

    Strengthen trade union rights - including increased unionisation across the workforce and repealing last year's Trade Union Act

    Scrap the public sector pay cap and reintroduce national pay bargaining

    Ban so-called "zero hours" contracts

    Increase income tax for the highest-earning 5% to raise an extra £6bn for the NHS

    Build at least 100,000 council and housing association houses a year

    Reserve 4,000 homes for rough sleepers

    On energy, Labour would have at least one publicly-owned supplier in every region of the country, with the government controlling the transmission and distribution grids.

    First it would introduce an "immediate emergency price cap" of £1,000 a year.

    The draft manifesto also promises to ban fracking and cut the voting age to 16.


    And more stuff which I find particularly interesting, and intriguing...................

    General election 2017: Labour's draft manifesto at-a-glance - BBC News

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    Lets go back to the 70's. I'm sure his populist policies paid for by magic money trees will appeal to some in the UK but thankfully they will be in the minority.

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    As someone pointed out to me yesterday, how on earth can you vote for someone who once crowed that they were shagging Diane Abbot?

    And as BB rightly points out, does the fucking Ayatollah's lackey think money grows on trees, or is he doing what the mad mullah tells him to do and trying to destroy Blighty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Lets go back to the 70's. I'm sure his populist policies paid for by magic money trees will appeal to some in the UK but thankfully they will be in the minority.
    1. Have you read it all. The last attachment as well?

    2. Were the 70's better or worse than the way things are now?

    3. I was so fortunate to be one of the last to get a free Uni education with benefits.
    As were most of the politicians in power today. Would it be so bad if it was reintroduced?

    4. Could the train system get any worse than it is now? Of course it could, but could nationalizing such a fundamentally needed service not improve the service?

    5. Can there be anything wrong with increasing the taxation upon the wealthiest, who are, by recent reports, increasing the gap on a yearly basis?

    Any way, over to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As someone pointed out to me yesterday, how on earth can you vote for someone who once crowed that they were shagging Diane Abbot?

    And as BB rightly points out, does the fucking Ayatollah's lackey think money grows on trees, or is he doing what the mad mullah tells him to do and trying to destroy Blighty?
    A very astute and informed comment. Obviously well informed and based on facts that are incontrovertible.
    Hitting the nail on the head.
    Objectively assessing the present situation and offering sound and sensible solutions for the future.
    Thank you.
    Last edited by crackerjack101; 11-05-2017 at 04:19 PM.

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    The leak of a "draft" sounds like a trial balloon. Anything controversial will disappear from the final document.

    Not that any of those points are exactly radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    The leak of a "draft" sounds like a trial balloon. Anything controversial will disappear from the final document.

    Not that any of those points are exactly radical.
    You may well be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Lets go back to the 70's. I'm sure his populist policies paid for by magic money trees will appeal to some in the UK but thankfully they will be in the minority.
    1. Have you read it all. The last attachment as well?

    2. Were the 70's better or worse than the way things are now?

    3. I was so fortunate to be one of the last to get a free Uni education with benefits.
    As were most of the politicians in power today. Would it be so bad if it was reintroduced?

    4. Could the train system get any worse than it is now? Of course it could, but could nationalizing such a fundamentally needed service not improve the service?

    5. Can there be anything wrong with increasing the taxation upon the wealthiest, who are, by recent reports, increasing the gap on a yearly basis?

    Any way, over to you.
    1. No

    2. 70's were a lot worse than things are today, winter of discontent, going cap in hand to the IMF etc. Thank God for Thatcher.

    3. I agree university should be free or at least for those from less well off families.

    4. The train system in the UK is a joke mainly due to foreign operators who use their franchises to subsidise train travel in their own countries thus a lack of investment while they make out like bandits. While i'm generally in favour of privatisation and against nationalisation i'll make an exception with the railways and would have no objection to them re nationalising it.

    5. Increasing tax doesn't always lead to a higher tax take. Take corporation tax for example the Tories have reduced it from 26% to 19% and the tax take from corporation tax has actually increased quite a bit. The super wealthy ain't dumb, try to increase tax on them to a level they think is taking the piss and they'll find ways to move their money elsewhere so don't pay it. The higher level of income tax in the UK is already 40% which I think is more than high enough already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    And that's from the Labour supporting left wing Guardian hardly an endorsement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    And that's from the Labour supporting left wing Guardian hardly an endorsement.
    Just another view point, mate.
    Let's see the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    And that's from the Labour supporting left wing Guardian hardly an endorsement.
    Just another view point, mate.
    Let's see the rest.
    I can guess the rest if The Guardian which is a pro Labour paper is failing to be enthused by it, they will be ripping into him.

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    Ah, "guessing". Always a good move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As someone pointed out to me yesterday, how on earth can you vote for someone who once crowed that they were shagging Diane Abbot?

    And as BB rightly points out, does the fucking Ayatollah's lackey think money grows on trees, or is he doing what the mad mullah tells him to do and trying to destroy Blighty?
    A very astute and informed comment. Obviously well informed and based on facts that are incontrovertible.
    Hitting the nail on the head.
    Objectively assessing the present situation and offering sound and sensible solutions for the future.
    Thank you.
    You're welcome.

    It's still not too late to dump the fucker. He is the Michael Foot of this generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Ah, "guessing". Always a good move.
    Are you really going to make me go and read the likes of the Sun or Mail just to confirm it.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/353326...g-on-his-desk/

    The 43-page[at]document has already been dubbed the new[at]longest suicide note in history, after drawing comparisons with former leader Michael Foot’s disastrous far-left 1983 manifesto.

    Leaked Labour manifesto plans to 'take UK back to 1970s' | Daily Mail Online

    Where's Jeremy? Corbyn pulls out of poster launch after leak of 'longest suicide note' Labour manifesto - including vows to nationalise industry, scrap strike laws and hammer business.

    Labour's leaked manifesto reveals a move back to the 1970s | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

    Labour's leaked manifesto reveals Jeremy Corbyn pushing party back to the 1970s.


    I can't be arsed to read the articles in full or copy and paste them but feel free to fill your boots if you want to see what the rest of the British press thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Are you really going to make me go and read the likes of the Sun or Mail just to confirm it.
    You do what you like, mate.

    Like I said in the OP;

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    My point was the majority of the UK press are either openly pro Tory or pro Labour so you have a pretty good idea what they are going to say which saves you bother of having to read them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    My point was the majority of the UK press are either openly pro Tory or pro Labour so you have a pretty good idea what they are going to say which saves you bother of having to read them.
    Fair point.

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    The big news on BBC radio 4 was Corbyns car drove over a BBC camera man. An esteemed BBC camera man. Nothing else mattered.

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    As much as the French and the Germans would like to spank the UKs bottom, the other members just want EU cash to keep rolling in. They all have only one vote each. May is free to approach and negotiate with any of them individually.
    Sadly, the Labour Party idealism, will mean a further weakening of government opposition, which is bad for the country as a whole.
    The EU big guns all have to work in a coalition and as France just demonstrated, that is now more fragmented than ever.
    No opposition at home and fragile coalitions abroad, leaves May with quite a strong hand. Lets hope she uses it wisely.
    Heart of Gold and a Knob of butter.

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    The no promises on immigration will equal open borders again, with even less done to keep the numbers down and continuing to add to the pressures on Schools and Hospitals, not to mention the ever growing terrorist threat getting more recruits. Labour have not changed on immigration and that's just one thing that makes them electable, they have not and will not listen to the electorate on this but like Brown continue to mutter about them being bigots.

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    Lets go back to the 70's.
    If we did, it'd be a good 50 years ahead of the Tories. Unfortunately, the English are terminally fucking thick so they'll lap up whatever bollocks the media serve up for them and elect the circus of grotesques lining up to be the next Conservative government.

    like Brown continue to mutter about them being bigots.
    He wasn’t wrong, though.

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    No he wasn't wrong as it went a long way to him losing the election, but if he thought he was not wrong why the grovelling apology, just showed the dislike of the working class they pretend to love so much


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    No he wasn't wrong as it went a long way to him losing the election, but if he thought he was not wrong why the grovelling apology,
    The answer is in the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    70's were a lot worse than things are today, winter of discontent, going cap in hand to the IMF etc. Thank God for Thatcher.
    I was in Germany in 1970. What a clusterfcuk that was in those days. I was a tank crewman on Chieftain MK2. The labour government stupidly had Leyland bus engines fitted. They were unproven /untested shit. Unlike the Centurion which was fitted with reliable R-R Spitfire engines.
    Anyways we had war stock vehicles and spares preserved in vacuum sealed containers which were supposed to be only for use in the event of war parked up in a isolated part of the camp. Things were so bad under labour that they had no choice but to cannibalize the 'War Stock' for engine parts etc and even then vehicles were still off the road because they eventually ran out of cannibalized parts.

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