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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    And then there's Chick-fil-A.
    Nah dude Popeyes the fuck is wrong with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat
    North Carolina state Rep. Larry G. Pittman. (North Carolina General Assembly)
    so whats the odds that this bloke will be found in the local pool toliets sucking off an underage boy sometime soon ?

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    ^I know what you mean about the jewish chip on the shoulder and they can be a bit of a pain in that respect, but I think Hitler still takes the genocidal maniac biscuit in terms of sheer horror, cold-blooded strategy and international spectacle.
    The main difference I think was that Mao and Stalin happily slaughtered their own people. Hitler exported his slaughter.
    The difference is not in the numbers, it's in the politics, aggression, and ideology. Anybody who doesn't understand the difference between Hitler and the others needs a quick course in just what NAZI Germany actually stood for.
    You have a Ph.D in Nazism,

    Seriously,

    I want to learn more. Do tell.

    I've read a couple books here and there, but my knowledge is shallow like 99% of people.
    Hannah Arendt, 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'. Read it.
    Thank you.


    And to note again, It's so stupid for people all over the world to compare leaders to Hitler. It's vogue.

    The leader of brazil a couple of years ago, several US Presidents, US immigration policies, etc.

    A cheap phony soundbite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Hannah Arendt, 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'. Read it.
    ...and maybe a chapter or two of Sayyid Qutb just to stay awake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    what NAZI Germany actually stood for.
    I'm guessing Lebensraum or something. As for the Jewish connection. Someone must have really pissed off Hitler or one of his cronies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    ^I know what you mean about the jewish chip on the shoulder and they can be a bit of a pain in that respect, but I think Hitler still takes the genocidal maniac biscuit in terms of sheer horror, cold-blooded strategy and international spectacle.
    The main difference I think was that Mao and Stalin happily slaughtered their own people. Hitler exported his slaughter.
    The difference is not in the numbers, it's in the politics, aggression, and ideology.
    Oh dear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
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    Hannah Arendt, 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'. Read it.
    ...and maybe a chapter or two of Sayyid Qutb just to stay awake...
    Is that one of the authors of the Hadith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
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    ^I know what you mean about the jewish chip on the shoulder and they can be a bit of a pain in that respect, but I think Hitler still takes the genocidal maniac biscuit in terms of sheer horror, cold-blooded strategy and international spectacle.
    The main difference I think was that Mao and Stalin happily slaughtered their own people. Hitler exported his slaughter.
    The difference is not in the numbers, it's in the politics, aggression, and ideology.
    Oh dear.

    That book professor bob noted is very deep and intellectual reading, according to many Amazon reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Is that one of the authors of the Hadith?
    No...he's a relatively contemporary fanatic (dead fortunately, so no more quotes)...
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    according to many Amazon reviews
    did you find the reviews a challenging read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
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    ^I know what you mean about the jewish chip on the shoulder and they can be a bit of a pain in that respect, but I think Hitler still takes the genocidal maniac biscuit in terms of sheer horror, cold-blooded strategy and international spectacle.
    The main difference I think was that Mao and Stalin happily slaughtered their own people. Hitler exported his slaughter.
    The difference is not in the numbers, it's in the politics, aggression, and ideology.
    Oh dear.

    That book professor bob noted is very deep and intellectual reading, according to many Amazon reviews.
    It's well worth a read. It's a little too deep for people, like Tomcat, who struggle with books but for people with a genuine desire for understanding it's one of the essentials.

    Here's a quick summary from Wiki, as good a description of the book as any.
    The Origins of Totalitarianism (German: Elemente und Ursprünge totaler Herrschaft, "Elements and Origins of Totalitarian Rule"; 1951), by Hannah Arendt, describes and analyzes Nazism and Stalinism, the major totalitarian political movements of the first half of the 20th century. The book is regularly listed as one of the best non-fiction books of the 20th century.


    The book describes the rise of anti-Semitism in central Europe and in western Europe in the early-to-mid 19th century; then examines the New Imperialism, from 1884 to the start of the First World War (1914–18); then traces the emergence of racism as an ideology, and its modern application as an “ideological weapon for imperialism”, by the Boers during the Great Trek (1830s–40s) in the early 19th century.

    Analysis of Antisemitism and Imperialism

    Arendt begins the book with an analysis of the rise of antisemitism in Europe, particularly focusing on the Dreyfus affair.[1] She then discusses scientific racism, and its role in colonialist imperialism, itself characterized by unlimited territorial and economic expansion.[1] That unlimited expansion necessarily opposed itself and was hostile to the territorially delimited nation-state. Arendt traces the roots of modern imperialism to the accumulation of excess capital in European nation-states during the 19th century. This capital required overseas investments outside of Europe to be productive and political control had to be expanded overseas to protect the investments. She then examines "continental imperialism" (pan-Germanism and pan-Slavism) and the emergence of "movements" substituting themselves to the political parties. These movements are hostile to the state and antiparliamentarist and gradually institutionalize anti-Semitism and other kinds of racism. Arendt concludes that while Italian Fascism was a nationalist authoritarian movement, Nazism and Stalinism were totalitarian movements that sought to eliminate all restraints upon the power of the movement.

    Mechanics of Totalitarian Movements

    The book's final section is devoted to describing the mechanics of totalitarian movements, focusing on Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Here, Arendt discusses the transformation of classes into masses, the role of propaganda in dealing with the non-totalitarian world, and the use of terror, essential to this form of government. Totalitarian movements are fundamentally different from autocratic regimes, says Arendt, insofar as autocratic regimes seek only to gain absolute political power and to outlaw opposition, while totalitarian regimes seek to dominate every aspect of everyone's life as a prelude to world domination. Arendt discusses the use of front organizations, fake governmental agencies, and esoteric doctrines as a means of concealing the radical nature of totalitarian aims from the non-totalitarian world. A final section added to the second edition of the book in 1958 suggests that individual isolation and loneliness are preconditions for totalitarian domination.

    Such scholars as Jurgen Habermas supported Arendt in her 20th century criticism of totalitarian readings of Marxism. This commentary on Marxism has indicated concerns with the limits of totalitarian perspectives often associated with Marx's apparent over-estimation of the emancipatory potential of the forces of production. Habermas extends this critique in his writings on functional reductionism in the life-world in his Lifeworld and System: A Critique of Functionalist Reason. As Habermas states:

    "... traditional Marxist analysis ... today, when we use the means of the critique of political economy ... can no longer make clear predictions: for that, one would still have to assume the autonomy of a self-reproducing economic system. I do not believe in such an autonomy. Precisely for this reason, the laws governing the economic system are no longer identical to the ones Marx analyzed. Of course, this does not mean that it would be wrong to analyze the mechanism which drives the economic system; but in order for the orthodox version of such an analysis to be valid, the influence of the political system would have to be ignored.

    Reception

    Le Monde placed the book among the 100 best books of any kind of the 20th century, while the National Review ranked it #15 on its list of the 100 best non-fiction books of the century.[3] The Intercollegiate Studies Institute listed it among the 50 best non-fiction books of the century.[4] The book made a major impact on Norman Podhoretz, who compared the pleasure of reading it to that of reading a great poem or novel.[5] The book sold out on Amazon in January 2017, as part of a bump in interest in books about totalitarianism around the inauguration of President Donald Trump.[6]

    The book has also attracted criticism. The most comprehensive may have been in the Times Literary Supplement in 2009 by University of Chicago professor Bernard Wasserstein.[7] Wasserstein cited Arendt's systematic internalization of the various anti-Semitic and Nazi sources and books she was familiar with, which led to the use of many of these sources as authorities in the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    It's a little too deep for people, like Tomcat
    ...thanks for the wiki quote, Dr. Bobby...I see the Amazon reviews were difficult for you, too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    A cheap phony soundbite.
    I thought you were a big fan of taking people figuratively and not literally? That was alway's your GO TO defense of Trump, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
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    Hannah Arendt, 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'. Read it.
    ...and maybe a chapter or two of Sayyid Qutb just to stay awake...
    Is that one of the authors of the Hadith?
    He was an Egyptian Islamist scholar and philosopher and is generally considered, along with Hassan Al Banna, one of the founding fathers of modern Islamic Fundamentalism and Jihadism. An understanding of the origin of today's Islamism is impossible without reference to him and his works. Sadly many Westerners prefer the cartoon version of Islamism based on the usual Western Orientalism as it requires little thought and no understanding.

    Qutb was executed in 1966 for planning to assassinate Nasser.

    BTW, he had a Hitler moustache, make of that what you will!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0bby
    Qutb was executed in 1966 for planning to assassinate Nasser.
    ...and not a moment too soon: he was preparing another book of quotes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
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    A cheap phony soundbite.
    I thought you were a big fan of taking people figuratively and not literally? That was alway's your GO TO defense of Trump, no?
    I only defend Trump on certain things.

    I've never been a supporter, just prefer him over HRC. Lesser of the two bad.

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    Dr Bob,

    Thanks for the info on the person and more info on that book.


    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Dr Bob,

    Thanks for the info on the person and more info on that book.


    Thanks.
    Be aware that while Hannah Arendt is a very satisfying read Qutb does come across as a lunatic. It's very difficult to read most of his writings without wanting to throw them across the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0bby
    It's very difficult to read most of his writings without wanting to throw them across the room
    I'm sure your readers on TD are familiar with the feeling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    Dr Bob,

    Thanks for the info on the person and more info on that book.


    Thanks.
    Be aware that while Hannah Arendt is a very satisfying read Qutb does come across as a lunatic. It's very difficult to read most of his writings without wanting to throw them across the room.
    Noted.


    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
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    Hitler the worst? What about Pol Pot?
    Hitler actually checks in at about number three both Mao and Stalin have higher body counts. Pol Pot ranks pretty high on percentage of a population though.
    Yes but they didn't kill JEWS did they.

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    Having a Dr Pepper today. Isn't that SOUTHERN? Forrest Gump's fav. No discomfort yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    Having a Dr Pepper today.
    Where you got that from? Villa or something? Thats the last place I saw it.

    Its pretty southern but sun tea is what I came up on. Lipton tea bags, sweet, no lemon.



    Gotta drink it on ice from an old mason jar for the full southern effect. You know, canning & all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Where you got that from? Villa or something?
    Yup. Picked some up in Bangkok this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    Yup. Picked some up in Bangkok this week.
    Can or plastic bottle?

    Canned Dr. Pepper on ice is the best.

    Glass bottle Coke on Ice is the best.

    Probably sounds weird but its true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Probably sounds weird
    "probably?"...

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