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    A car for 2-3 months

    We're going back to the UK for 2-3 months in July and intend visiting a lot of people all over the place. From Devon to Argyle and from Aberystwyth to Norfolk.
    A lot of miles for which we will require a car.

    So, rent or buy?

    Renting would be around 2 grand for the duration, fair enough, but for a little more there seem to be used cars in good nick that we could sell on after the holiday.

    We'd like a convertible and the hire rates are lots but there seems to be reasonable ones for around 3 grand.

    Use it for 2-3 months then flog it.

    What would you do?
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    Rent no doubt about it.

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    Never rent if you can afford to buy, and then sell at the end of the trip.

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    Rent.

    Less pain on the brain when it breaks down, or then can't sell it.

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    Rent/Hire. Due to the distances you'll cover having breakdown cover is a bonus.

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    Buy and sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Never rent if you can afford to buy, and then sell at the end of the trip.

    Whilst I agree with other the other posters that renting brings a certain peace of mind I must say I agree with you too.

    Renting a decent convertible would cost around 3,000 but a quick look at used car prices in the UK would suggest one could buy a half way decent vehicle for that.

    Also, the only convertibles for hire are things like Mercedes and the like. Nice but unnecessary.

    The other problem with buying of course is the selling at the end of the day. It'd be a bugger to get stuck with it.

    Thanks for the input folks.

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    If you know anything about motors, buy. You will know if you've got a decent runabout that you can shift at the end of the trip.

    If you're clueless about them, rent. Lots of lemons out there, and if you pick one up, it could ruin the whole trip through repairs, lost time, money and hiring a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon View Post
    If you know anything about motors, buy. You will know if you've got a decent runabout that you can shift at the end of the trip.

    If you're clueless about them, rent. Lots of lemons out there, and if you pick one up, it could ruin the whole trip through repairs, lost time, money and hiring a car.

    Very true. Whilst not clueless I think I'd get a cousin who knows to help out in the choice if I decide to buy.

    Hmm, maybe I can get him to buy it and then sell it for me?

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    See if you can find a convertible locally. Ask the dealer what he would give you to buy the car back from you after 3 months. If is willing and the price is right get him to add the buy back to the sales agreement.

    Use to be common in France to avoid the insurance restrictions for cross border travelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    See if you can find a convertible locally. Ask the dealer what he would give you to buy the car back from you after 3 months. If is willing and the price is right get him to add the buy back to the sales agreement.

    Use to be common in France to avoid the insurance restrictions for cross border travelling.
    Good idea. Cheers

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    As long as owning a vehicle doesn't put you back on HMRC tax radar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Buy and sell.
    What happens if it doesn't sell?


    Or breaks down just after you buy it?

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    On a relatively recent trip to the UK I hired a new VW Polo 3 cylinder 1000cc car at the rate of just over 350 for four weeks with mileage limited to 5000. Brilliant little thing that just sipped at fuel and had reasonable oommphh if you revved the nuts off it.
    I contracted a separate insurance policy indemnifying the excess damage liability at a fraction of the hirer's quoted cost and therefore had trouble free, reliable motoring for the duration of the hire.

    Given the likely differential between purchase price of a second hand vehicle and a subsequent resale price you'd have to be an idiot to buy for only 3 months use. One wants a warranty and therefore the vehicle would have to be bought from a dealer and there is no fucking way an ordinary Joe is going to sell it again for the same price and will almost certainly sustain a significant loss. I suppose you could buy a crock and maintain it yourself and hope some loser might want it within, say, six months of advertising but why .....? Christ, a fucking turbo costs 2,000 to replace and if the chain belt goes on the motorway......Also, you have to tax and insure it at, say, 500 minimum but if you have been away for more than two - three years then your NCB will have evaporated or been reduced and the cost could be much more. I suppose 3rd party might suffice but if it is written off in a hit-and-run then that's a great fucking saving, eh?

    It's no brainer. Hire, there're plenty of good deals about for long term contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    As long as owning a vehicle doesn't put you back on HMRC tax radar?

    eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post

    The other problem with buying of course is the selling at the end of the day. It'd be a bugger to get stuck with it.

    Thanks for the input folks.
    Buy privately and buy a warranty online, much cheaper and quicker than from a dealer, sell to webuyanycar.com, guaranteed to buy and takes an hour.

    Alternatively look at a car club. Cars are owned privately so you aren't paying a premium for something about brand new from Avis or the like
    https://carclub.easycar.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    See if you can find a convertible locally. Ask the dealer what he would give you to buy the car back from you after 3 months. If is willing and the price is right get him to add the buy back to the sales agreement.

    Use to be common in France to avoid the insurance restrictions for cross border travelling.
    In Britain??? A second hand car dealer ?????


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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrunt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post

    The other problem with buying of course is the selling at the end of the day. It'd be a bugger to get stuck with it.

    Thanks for the input folks.
    Buy privately and buy a warranty online, much cheaper and quicker than from a dealer, sell to webuyanycar.com, guaranteed to buy and takes an hour.

    Alternatively look at a car club. Cars are owned privately so you aren't paying a premium for something about brand new from Avis or the like
    https://carclub.easycar.com/
    Whatever price you might have had in mind, using book price data, you will get at least 1,500 less than you thought from those fuckers - that's how they make their profits so easily. Online warranties have more fucking exclusions than a feral council estate brat with 20 ASBOs.

    Can't believe the advice here. Truly fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    On a relatively recent trip to the UK I hired a new VW Polo 3 cylinder 1000cc car at the rate of just over 350 for four weeks with mileage limited to 5000. Brilliant little thing that just sipped at fuel and had reasonable oommphh if you revved the nuts off it.
    I contracted a separate insurance policy indemnifying the excess damage liability at a fraction of the hirer's quoted cost and therefore had trouble free, reliable motoring for the duration of the hire.

    Given the likely differential between purchase price of a second hand vehicle and a subsequent resale price you'd have to be an idiot to buy for only 3 months use. One wants a warranty and therefore the vehicle would have to be bought from a dealer and there is no fucking way an ordinary Joe is going to sell it again for the same price and will almost certainly sustain a significant loss. I suppose you could buy a crock and maintain it yourself and hope some loser might want it within, say, six months of advertising but why .....? Christ, a fucking turbo costs 2,000 to replace and if the chain belt goes on the motorway......Also, you have to tax and insure it at, say, 500 minimum but if you have been away for more than two - three years then your NCB will have evaporated or been reduced and the cost could be much more. I suppose 3rd party might suffice but if it is written off in a hit-and-run then that's a great fucking saving, eh?

    It's no brainer. Hire, there're plenty of good deals about for long term contracts.
    You make some good points. thanks.
    I'll need unlimited mileage and, as I said, we'd like a convertible. Which company did you go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrunt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post

    The other problem with buying of course is the selling at the end of the day. It'd be a bugger to get stuck with it.

    Thanks for the input folks.
    Buy privately and buy a warranty online, much cheaper and quicker than from a dealer, sell to webuyanycar.com, guaranteed to buy and takes an hour.

    Alternatively look at a car club. Cars are owned privately so you aren't paying a premium for something about brand new from Avis or the like
    https://carclub.easycar.com/
    Whatever price you might have had in mind, using book price data, you will get at least 1,500 less than you thought from those fuckers - that's how they make their profits so easily. Online warranties have more fucking exclusions than a feral council estate brat with 20 ASBOs.

    Can't believe the advice here. Truly fucking stupid.
    Not so. You'll get around 2000 less than if you buy from a small dealer and about 1000 less than you'll pay privately.

    The online warranties have exactly the same cover as one provided by a dealer, because that's where the dealer will buy it. Personally I wouldn't bother with a warranty. Also if buying you need to factor in insurance.

    My preferred approach is carclub, far better than anything you offered, so please reign in the insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrunt
    My preferred approach is carclub
    I looked at their site but they had nothing available.

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    What insults? You're taking shite and there it is.

    I bought off a dealer some years back, and returned to him exactly one year later with 10,000 on the clock and he offered me 2,500 less than I paid him. Webuyanycar and their many variants offered even less than that.

    A franchised dealer for a major manufacturer offering their warranty on advertised assured used cars is in no fucking way similar to some shonky online warranty crap.

    That's why you pay the fucking premium for dealing with franchised garages and not FuckUMotors Ltd.

    Christ, are you 12 years old or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    On a relatively recent trip to the UK I hired a new VW Polo 3 cylinder 1000cc car at the rate of just over 350 for four weeks with mileage limited to 5000. Brilliant little thing that just sipped at fuel and had reasonable oommphh if you revved the nuts off it.
    I contracted a separate insurance policy indemnifying the excess damage liability at a fraction of the hirer's quoted cost and therefore had trouble free, reliable motoring for the duration of the hire.

    Given the likely differential between purchase price of a second hand vehicle and a subsequent resale price you'd have to be an idiot to buy for only 3 months use. One wants a warranty and therefore the vehicle would have to be bought from a dealer and there is no fucking way an ordinary Joe is going to sell it again for the same price and will almost certainly sustain a significant loss. I suppose you could buy a crock and maintain it yourself and hope some loser might want it within, say, six months of advertising but why .....? Christ, a fucking turbo costs 2,000 to replace and if the chain belt goes on the motorway......Also, you have to tax and insure it at, say, 500 minimum but if you have been away for more than two - three years then your NCB will have evaporated or been reduced and the cost could be much more. I suppose 3rd party might suffice but if it is written off in a hit-and-run then that's a great fucking saving, eh?

    It's no brainer. Hire, there're plenty of good deals about for long term contracts.
    You make some good points. thanks.
    I'll need unlimited mileage and, as I said, we'd like a convertible. Which company did you go through.
    It was Budget which consistently offer the best rates on the various search sites.
    Forget the convertible crap, that'll boost the rates stupidly, if you could get one, and is pointless in Britain most years. Fine if you are a vapid post adolescent posing girlie or queer, but dumb for a normal punter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    What insults? You're taking shite and there it is.

    I bought off a dealer some years back, and returned to him exactly one year later with 10,000 on the clock and he offered me 2,500 less than I paid him. Webuyanycar and their many variants offered even less than that.
    You've just proved you're clueless. Selling back to the dealer a year later instead of 2-3 months later also includes the car aging by a year and as depreciation runs at around 20%pa most of what you lost was book value depreciation. That won't be so if only 2-3 months has passed because the book value will be almost the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    A franchised dealer for a major manufacturer offering their warranty on advertised assured used cars is in no fucking way similar to some shonky online warranty crap.

    That's why you pay the fucking premium for dealing with franchised garages and not FuckUMotors Ltd.

    Christ, are you 12 years old or what?
    The OP is talking about spending a little more than 2000 on a purchsse so why you are harping on about main dealers, which are completely irrelevant to the discussion, is anyone's guess. At his price range he is talking private or back street trader. Back street traders buy their warranties online, which are available to anyone to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auroria View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017 View Post
    Buy and sell.
    What happens if it doesn't sell?


    Or breaks down just after you buy it?
    The obvious caveat is that you have to know a little bit about cars and don't buy a shed.

    I bought and sold tons of cars when I lived in the UK, and often sold them for the same price, sometimes even more, than I paid for them after a few months use.

    If you are canny and know how to use autotrader.co.uk well, it's not that tricky.

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