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    Smeg? Wondering why????

    I've been accused of being "smeg" several times. Been banned from ajarn and thaivisa sites for telling it like it is in regards to the TEFL certificates here in Thailand.

    Now I see smeg selling a course?

    Have I got it all wrong?

    Point being, at the end of the hour you dont' need a TEFL certificate to get a job teaching English in Thailand. That news seems to hurt the feelings of alot of people.

    Are we allowed to discuss this issue on this site?

    Thank you for the rules, I never read them....

    Nok the Kook

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    Perhaps it would be a good idea to state what a prospective (foreign) teacher would require to become a bona fide, legitimate teacher, in Thailand?

    You could then develop where the TEFL certificate fits into that grand scheme of things.

    I happen to agree with you in the sense that, if the prospective teacher's original degree + TESOL, or equivalent, is in place, that he/she can teach with those minimum qualifications. Others may have different experiences.

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    Smeg selling a course?! Sounds highly unlikely.

    Having a teaching certificate doesn't make you a good teacher any more than having a driving licence makes you a good driver. But it's a start in the right direction, as long as it's a decent cert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang
    Are we allowed to discuss this issue on this site?
    Of course, despite it boring most people shitless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang
    Are we allowed to discuss this issue on this site?
    Of course, despite it boring most people shitless.
    Hey speak for yourself!

    This sounds VERY... -ZZzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang View Post

    Point being, at the end of the hour you dont' need a TEFL certificate to get a job teaching English in Thailand. That news seems to hurt the feelings of alot of people.
    I've got one but you don't need one to get a job.

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    Nok. You're a Yank. So that excludes you from teaching proper English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja View Post
    Perhaps it would be a good idea to state what a prospective (foreign) teacher would require to become a bona fide, legitimate teacher, in Thailand?

    You could then develop where the TEFL certificate fits into that grand scheme of things.

    I happen to agree with you in the sense that, if the prospective teacher's original degree + TESOL, or equivalent, is in place, that he/she can teach with those minimum qualifications. Others may have different experiences.
    Hi. I thought "smeg" was promoing a course on his thread. I only read it once, and quickly. He was also "banned" on the teacher board for I though saying the TEFL courses were overpriced and exposing the deceptive sales practices they try on. I say try on, in reality, some people actually spend $1000-$1500usd for a "certificate" which is NOT REQUIRED. Sure, we all can agree the training is worthwhile and not worthless. Some of us just think the marketing is worse than China paint.

    I stand by the following statements. They are facts.

    1. A "TEFL" certificate is not required to get a job even in a school, full time on a salary. You can also get a work permit without one.

    2. A college degree is often advertised as being required, but this requirement is often times not followed up on.

    3. Non-Native speakers of English can get TEFL certificates.

    4. Sales techniques like practiced here in Pattaya with a "guaranty" of a job and work permit if you take the course are deceptive or worse.

    5. You mentione a degree and a "TESOL" plays a role. This may be true for international schools but has no bearing on Government schools. Inclusive of University positions as teachers.

    6. How you define a bonifide legitimate teacher in Thailand doesn't include anything of substance other than the title.

    7. The "TEFL" certificates given out by the various places here in Thailand only really matter because SOME Thai's think they are equlivant to a college degree. Don't laugh, I know this for a FACT. Some Thai's consider them an equal qualification to a legitimate B.A/S. from a real university.(real not to be confused with an internet online gimmick) The online, well never mind...

    gidday

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    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang
    5. You mentione a degree and a "TESOL" plays a role. This may be true for international schools but has no bearing on Government schools. Inclusive of University positions as teachers.
    this is at best an overstatement. degree's (graduate/ undergrad) and training (celta) can be very helpful and often mandatory in getting uni jobs.

    #7 seven seems a bit off as well. nobody i know, thinks a tefl, even a good one (celta) is equivalent to a real degree. you are making a bogus assertion imo.

    in fainess to you -- i agree completely with #'s 1-4 and 6 above. its a total scam and the whole field is mostly a foodchain of kunts and fuckheads.

    (and i am guessing you aint no merkin. right or wrong?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by obsidian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang
    5. You mentione a degree and a "TESOL" plays a role. This may be true for international schools but has no bearing on Government schools. Inclusive of University positions as teachers.
    this is at best an overstatement. degree's (graduate/ undergrad) and training (celta) can be very helpful and often mandatory in getting uni jobs.
    Hi. I was refering to the low paying as in less than high school "jobs" at the various universities.(23K plus 8K etc.) I've never understood why the pay is lower but it seems to be. This should not of course be confused with the well known or whatever you call the great schools here named after the Kings in Thailand. Regrets for the confusion. Nok the Kook

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsidian View Post
    #7 seven seems a bit off as well. nobody i know, thinks a tefl, even a good one (celta) is equivalent to a real degree. you are making a bogus assertion imo.

    in fainess to you -- i agree completely with #'s 1-5 and 6 above. its a total scam.

    (and i am guessing you aint no merkin. right or wrong?)
    I'm refering to the Thai staff. I've heard it from their lips. I've seen it confirmed with their actions. I think I said some, certainly not all are that naive. In addition to that accertion, need I remind you that a college degree is rumored to be required for a work permit? Maybe rumor only, but if true, then the Work Permit people also are accepting it as a degree.

    I don't know what a "merkin" is mate. Be glad to answer if you tell me? Nok the Kook

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    most the low paying uni's are rajabhats and only recently were increased in status to uni level. this increase in terms of english teaching is a joke. but the schools are very cheap, easy to get into and serve many first generation high school grads in thailand (esp in rural areas). they have a purpose but learning English aint it.

    merkin = american. sorry.

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    I think smeg may have found a soul mate wonder if they will get married

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    welcome to td, nt -- green for you

    dd -- my guess is smeg'll flip over the op's initial misread of his position. then they will be fuck buddies for sure. i do hope the op has more than one drum to bang though as khun smeg do perseverate a bit.
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    shouldn't this be in the 'not interesting for normal people' section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsidian View Post
    most the low paying uni's are rajabhats and only recently were increased in status to uni level. this increase in terms of english teaching is a joke. but the schools are very cheap, easy to get into and serve many first generation high school grads in thailand (esp in rural areas). they have a purpose but learning English aint it.

    merkin = american. sorry.
    Yes, I'm American. Why did you think otherwise?(Just curious) I use Thai and Euro slang to better communicate in the area I live, Pattaya.

    These "Rajabhat" places have English majors so I've learned. If the purpose of an English program isn't learning English, never mind....maybe it's a business...

    With that said, I recall one University named after a King, Narasan(sp) in Phitsanulok offering something like 25K plus a housing stipend of some 7K. The workload was huge, required to remain on campus, limited time off during school breaks, participate in clubs, audit term papers and thesis papers of Thai staff...

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    do you teach? in any case move around the board. dont get to caught up in the teaching shit in terms of your interaction here. hang in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat View Post
    shouldn't this be in the 'not interesting for normal people' section?
    As should the talk about how drunk you got last night. Cheers. Nok

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I think smeg may have found a soul mate wonder if they will get married
    It's funny you say that because when they ban me, they accuse me of being him/her. I wish he would come on this forum so we can sort out our organs, oops...I mean orgins. Nok

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsidian View Post
    do you teach? in any case move around the board. dont get to caught up in the teaching shit in terms of your interaction here. hang in.
    You guys or is it girls? moved this to the Bar forum, not me. Cheers. Nok

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    Quote Originally Posted by NokTang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat View Post
    shouldn't this be in the 'not interesting for normal people' section?
    As should the talk about how drunk you got last night. Cheers. Nok
    i dont think anyone has actually started a topic on how drunk they got last night yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat View Post
    i dont think anyone has actually started a topic on how drunk they got last night yet.
    Your wish is my command. See the top of the forum and cheers. Nok

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat View Post
    shouldn't this be in the 'not interesting for normal people' section?

    damn, i'll have to green you for that!

    --------------------

    (added after 30 seconds)

    never mind, i caint anyway, must have given you some rep recently....

    wasnt red by any chance was it? hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat
    i dont think anyone has actually started a topic on how drunk they got last night yet.
    http://teakdoor.com/motoring-thailan...goin-down.html

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    ^ ok. i never read the motoring section so thanks for pointing that out to me

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