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    Public right to fight 'yob crime'

    Evren Anil died from a head injury

    A senior detective investigating the murder of a man who confronted youths throwing litter said people are entitled to challenge bad behaviour.
    Evren Anil, 23, died eight days after being punched by a teenager who tossed a half-eaten chocolate bar into his sister's car in south-east London.
    Detective Chief Inspector Cliff Lyons said: "People are entitled to challenge these yobs' behaviour."
    Five people have been bailed over the attack in Crystal Palace on 5 August.
    Mr Anil, 23, of Upper Norwood, south-east London, fell into a coma soon after hitting his head on the pavement during the attack, and died on Tuesday.
    Your life is worth more than a chocolate bar


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    DCI Lyons, who is leading the murder investigation, said: "We have got a 23-year-old university graduate starting his way in life, with a new job and a close-knit family.
    "He challenges their behaviour and this is what happens.
    "When they produced the knife he tried to get back in the car. Your life is worth more than a chocolate bar."
    Mr Anil was in the front passenger seat when the pair threw rubbish through an open window as the car waited at traffic lights on Central Hill.
    Police said an elderly passer-by intervened when the youths produced a knife, but that person left the scene when the blade was put to his throat.
    The passer-by then alerted the emergency services.

    I would not wish this upon anyone else


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    Mr Anil's sister Elif told BBC London: "What I and my family have been through, I can't describe it. It's very hard, very hard.
    "I would not wish this upon anyone else. And this needs to be sorted out."
    Both suspects, who were described as being black and in their late teens, ran off into the nearby Central Hill Estate.
    Her brother had recently graduated with a first class degree in computer science from Kingston University.
    DCI Lyons said there were people in the local community who knew the identity of the killers but had refused to come forward.
    He said: "But we are not talking about a stolen bottle of whisky off the back of a lorry. We are talking about a young man's life."
    Mr Anil's cousin, Mehmet Aray, said: "We have got youngsters running riot on our streets, carrying knives.
    "But it is normal for us now. It is just another part of our lives."
    I like my ragtop news. I find it fascinating the control that these papers have over the country. I also enjoy my broadsheets as well to get a more balanced look at things.

    I am rather worried though about this constant reporting of yob culture and yob behaviour that is blossoming in the UK. I know when I left it was increasing at a huge rate but since being away I have become rather scared of it's dramatic increase IMO.

    Is this just because I am out of the UK and used to a a quiter more refined way of life or is it a genuine problem? I can remember being at school in the early 90's and scrapping with other schools and areas. Good clean fights. No weapons involved. By the time I was in my late teens and over the scrapping my friends brothers had taken our place. They were hitting other kids with metal bars and stabbing each other. That didn't happen when we were fighting. They saw it as quite acceptable.

    Am I just bending under the media hype or is it really turning into a country of wannabe nigga gangstas or is the UK still a tea loving crumpet country.

    Who do we blame for it? Is it the glorification of drugs and guns in American culture which has filtered over and corrupted our kids. Is it just part of a cycle? Are the friendly happy eighties going to come back again or are things doomed?

    I worry about my folks living back there. They live in a nice area but I still worry about local yobs harrassing them.

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    Now and again I get the urge to return to the UK, but when I read stories like this I remember why i left in the first place. That guy died for nothing, but you've got to stand up for what's right IMO. Sad story!

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    Personally, I wonder if life is worth more than a chocolate bar thanks to the cohabitants of my species.

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    For the posters with better memories than me and possibly older. Was there reports like this 20 years ago?

    How fucked up is the world becoming if people are being killed for fucking chocloate bars or throwing eggs (mafia story in the papers today as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsquirrel
    Is this just because I am out of the UK and used to a a quiter more refined way of life or is it a genuine problem? I can remember being at school in the early 90's and scrapping with other schools and areas. Good clean fights. No weapons involved.
    And that was ok?

    I'm glad I was brought up in a good part of the country where we didn't think it was cool to brawl with other schools.

    I guess one could conclude that the decline in culture in the UK is a direct result from the influences of places that thought scrapping with other schools was ok.

    Stories like this show why I don't get involved in other people's business. There was a thread recently about someone stepping in to stop some shit or other and many commented the the OP should've waded in. Events like this show, to me at least, that he made the right decision.

    Shame about the lad who died for trying to do the right thing.

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    Not really but it's what happened. A few bloody noses and hand shakes at the end. NOthing serious.

    I read about the man who was stomped to death by kids outside his house.

    That all changed as well. Drinking in the park or the cricket pitch was a normal Friday night activity. Sometimes the police moved people on sometimes people complained and we were moved on. Never were people rude to the public or threaten them in anyway. It just didn't happen.

    It was naughty underage drinking nothing else. That all seems to have stopped now as well. Kids now get pissed up everynight and stomp on people.

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    Read a story in the UK last week, kid is playing golf with his Dad (kid was 17, Dad was about 60) when a group of teens started chucking rubbish at them. Couple of half bricks or whatever it was hit the kid's Dad in the head, killed him. Horrible story, and how fucked up is it to see your Dad killed like that by a bunch of kids.

    School in S London was closed and evacuated last year because some lads from a rival school were popping down for a ruckus. The fear was they were carrying Mac 10 machine guns! What is all that about, like someone else said a fight with a rival school usually come with the rumours that a few knives might be about and that was it.

    My Mum will not walk to the shops at night time now, simply too dangerous because of the gangs of kids in the area. And we are talking young teenagers here, 13, 14, 15 year olds. Seems to be getting worse and worse over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Stories like this show why I don't get involved in other people's business.
    I don't get involved in other people's spats/fights, etc.

    Unless it involved someone in my family or a close friend, and I had the opportunity to stop it or come out on top. (But this is what we don't always know at the time.)

    In the U.S. as you know, people have been shot, stabbed, disabled, murdered for trying to help people.

    The U.S. is whacked in many ways. Sadly to say, I think the UK is too, in many ways.
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    humans are whacked and always have been.

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    The police need to just start summarily executing people. Throw a bottle onto the dance floor of a night club for a "laugh" and the chance of proving what a hard man you are: get the police to take the sociopath outside and put a bullet in his head. REAL ZERO TOLLERANCE.

    I can drink and take drugs without attack other people; people who can't act in a civilized manner don't deserve to live. The concept of "Asian Values" appeals to me the public shouldn't have to live in fear of individuals terminally violent. "Love" "Hate" tattooed on your knuckles? 20 years or a bulletthrough your head. I've never once felt threatened in Thailand but walking through downtown Cardiff at 10.30 on Friday night is like walking though a war zone.
    They champion falsehood, support the butcher against the victim, the oppressor against the innocent child. May God mete them the punishment they deserve

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    To the OP, I guess it's not being exaggerated by the media. The last couple of times I have had a night out in Aberdeen, me and my mate (similarly expat) found out it's better to get a taxi home early to avoid the drunks and belligerents that spilled out when the bars and clubs closed. Waiting in line for a cab while they variously fight, shout obscenities at women, fill their faces with kebabs and puke all over the pavement (sidewalk) was an experience to be avoided. One time we waited till well after the 2 am 'rush hour' and the pavements were so messed up with vomit and litter, we had to walk on the street.

    In a related article in todays UK press regarding availability of cheap alcohol and public drinking, a senior police officer stated that "the problem had to be tackled together with health, education and licensing authorities". Hello? Don't invite the parents or guardians of these hoodie thugs and drunken girls to participate with some decent home-based discipline. No, leave it all to the nanny state and commercial interests and let these 'parents' carry on with their own weekend binge drinking, pursuit of happiness and maybe some 'air rage' on the charter flight to their frequent holidays in the Med.

    I lived 10 years in Texas where the legal age for alcohol is 21 and most liquor sales stopped at 2 am. Sure there were drunks and sure there were fights but the big difference was the ban on public drinking. You could only drink in a licensed establishment. This enabled easier control of the ones that went over the top. Anyone drunk and incapable was escorted from the premises and the cops were always right there to make sure the problem was properly taken care of. What I saw in Aberdeen was 'low impact' policing; bouncers turn them away or eject them but the police were all sitting in their cars and vans up the side streets and only intervened after the fact, to 'collect the bodies' well after 2 am so to speak.

    A few weeks back, there was an article related to a study that stated that British youth are the worst in Europe when it comes to yob behavior. It goes on to point out the combination of poor government educational and youth schemes along with an amazing disconnect between the generations living under the same roof. We live in times where 'parents' will buy off any active involvement with their kids with cellphones, video games and televisions and computers in the kids rooms. In my day, "Go to your room" was a punishment whereas these days all it does is absolve the 'parent' of any positive remediation of the dispute. This is 'low impact' parenting that goes hand in glove with the style of law enforcement mentioned earlier. Another article sums up that British parents haven't given up on being parents but they have lost the plot on what parenting is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamadah
    Bring back the birch and use the back of the hand or the leather belt now and again
    Agreed. Unfortunately all the PC brigade and the do good mambie pambies will never allow this. Years back getting a cuff by a copper was accepted, now they are afraid even to put a hand on you. Caught scrumping, cuff on the head by the copper, goes home tells me dad then gets another for doing wrong and for being caught!

    Have an area near me where the local corner shops are, that once it is dark, I will not walk through as it is the hangout of yobs and druggies. Prefer to get in me car and drive the couple of miles to the supermarket.

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    What's a Yob?

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    no respect no Discipline in the youth of today. no matter what country you live in.
    Adults can not touch their kids to punish them as that is assault.
    Thank the doo gooders for destroying our youth, and its only going to get worse.
    The kids are breeding the next generation of wonderful caring children

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamadah View Post
    Bring back the birch and use the back of the hand or the leather belt now and again.
    I tried to green you for that post, but had to spread some reputation around first. However, I don't know if it is the lack of physical punishment that is to blame. My parents never laid a hand on me or my sister, but we still grew up to become decent people (well at least my sister did). However, our parents acted, for the most, as role models. We also learned manners from an early age (such as saying 'please' and 'thank you') which is something me & my wife are stressing to our two-year old boys as well.

    I think that when you have to start beating your kids, you are basically admitting defeat and the battle has pretty much been lost. Parents have to consistently set (and keep) limits and demands, and treat their kids with respect, and show them that they loved and cared for them.

    Having said that, I also think the authorities are far to lenient when kids (or grown-ups for that matter) do misbehave. The problem is what to do. Putting young offenders in jail is obviously not the solution, as they then are put into an environment with exactly the type to people they should be isolated from, and experience has shown that they usually appear on the streets more hardened and with more bad habits than they had in the first place.

    Perhaps a long-term solution would be to sterilize all repeat offenders so that they cannot, in turn, become another generation of bad parents?
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    "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
    authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
    of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
    households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
    contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
    at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

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    Definitely makes you think twice about stepping in and being a good samaritan !. When I was younger, I'd be scared shitless to backmouth to any adult - let alone a copper !. These idiots think they are untouchables - and the PC dogooders ensures it !!!. Who knows what the causes are, but the symptom is something we all have to put up with. I remember being fearless when I was younger walking home through town pissed to the eyeballs; the other night I jumped at every noise and every time someone yelled out, or wondered who was gonna step out of the next doorway/alley. Having a wife + young child changes your perspectives.

    Bring back the baton swingers + divvy vans !!!

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    [QUOTE=Propagator;367955]
    Quote Originally Posted by tamadah
    Unfortunately all the PC brigade and the do good mambie pambies will never allow this.
    Now cut through everything else: the parents, the licencing laws and the television and here it is, the root - the nail on the head.

    STEP 2: Put an extreemly severe stop to the do good mambie pambies and whack them with a stick everytime they open their mouths.

    STEP 3: Change the law so that violent yobs are severely severly punished, floggings for carrying weapons and execution for murder.

    STEP 1: Elect or actually find a leader who has the balls to do this and who isn't obsessed with power, popularity or 'the life'.

    That's why most countries are completely fucked up - because only greedy people want power, and only people who want power want to be PM or President.

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    Sorry but it needs to be said that as long society continues to soften against yob mentality it's no more than they deserve.

    A friend of mine (58-60) was attacked and killed by a 27yr-old black belt in some martial arts, in full view of customers and staff, for being dismissed after several warnings for stealing from his pub, and this after being dragged out of the gutter and given that job and a life. Killer then went into hiding till he realised the safest place for him was in custody, and ended up with 6 or 7 years to be out in just over 2.

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    6 or 7 years to be out in just over 2.
    Fucking unreal.

    How did all the namby pambiness start?

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    Cause: Immigrants
    Solution: Bring back capital punishment.

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    What, like beheadings and stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    Solution: Bring back capital punishment.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    What, like beheadings and stuff?
    Capital punishment is what happens when you invest a fat wad in sub-prime mortgage derivatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    The fear was they were carrying Mac 10 machine guns!
    I wish we had had Mac10 machine guns for the annual inter-school wars. They used to last about 2 weeks every year and made the walk home a risky affair - almost like a military manouevre, since I lived near the other school. With some decent hardware the whole thing could have been over by lunch-time day 2.

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    i read the BNP manifesto and it is a priority to "birch young thugs and petty criminals and, rather than jail, given socially useful work to do" as
    they would learn from hardened criminals if locked up.
    it's the only place for my X.

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