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    Locked Up Abroad! Help Repay Bribes Ė Aussie in Thailand asks for help

    Locked Up Abroad! Help Repay Bribes Ė Aussie in Thailand asks for help


    Loren Infield - 'I later discovered she was not a licensed lawyer and the documents are all invalid.'

    A resident of Koh Samui recently found himself locked up in jail after papers he thought were legal and correct and allowed him to run a backpacker resort were all properly valid. However they were not. Loren has shared his story on a Go Fund Me page Ė here is what it says.

    Hi, Iím Loren, as most of you probably know. Iím a traveler and try to be open and honest always, and as a result I have the most incredible luck. I always say itís not always good luck, but always incredible!

    This week my incredible luck was incredibly bad. Iíve spent the last 2.5 years building up a backpacker hostel in Koh Samui, Thailand. We are a simple, cheap place, but we thrive on being good to EVERYONE around us. We take our customers in like family, take on backpackers as staff to be part of that family, and take everyone out each night to local businesses to grow the community around us and show everyone a great time for the cheapest price possible. While weíre not fancy, Iím very proud of the community weíve created. Itís been a huge ordeal operating a foreign business, and after many terrible lawyers doing paperwork wrong, and many police and immigration officers showing me what was wrong and how to fix it, I thought we were finally all correct.

    But 3 days ago, police showed up at my hostel and inspected my current paperwork that just 5 days ago I was reassured in person by my lawyer was 100% correct and valid for me to legally operate my hostel under that business license. The police disagreed. They said the papers, which are 100% in Thai, werenít correct or valid, and that Iím operating without a license. I called my lawyer and told her the police said her papers are all wrong. Instead of racing over like a lawyer is supposed to when police are holding their client, she hung up on us, and turned off her phone.

    I later discovered she was not a licensed lawyer and the documents are all invalid. She knew she was busted, so she ditched me. The police just want SOMEONE to pay for it, so they hauled me off to jail. They took my passport, they took the lawyerís card so I didnít have her info, and they told me I had no choice but to sign the papers explaining my charges in Thai, but once I did, I would go home. I signed, and they took me downstairs and put me in a jail cell with 3 other prisoners. I spent the night on the floor there, except when I was taken out for fingerprinting and documents.

    They started mentioning fines and a lot of under-the-table bribes that first were supposed to get me out right away, but after I paid, they said it would be 8am, then 10am, then after court. I messaged my mom and she called the embassy, and advised I didnít sign the false confession, written all in Thai. When I mentioned the embassy to the police, they tore up the papers and told me now I have to just sit in jail a month and wait for them. I later learned that in Thailand you can be held 91 days without being charged, while they build their case against you. They told me they wouldnít even consider my case again for a month if I denied wrongdoing and went after the crooked lawyer.

    Iíve built my adult life on being open and honest always, no matter what. And while I was calm and relaxed, not scared or panicking through the whole ordeal, tears streamed down my face as I sacrificed all my morals and ethics and signed the paper full of lies. The officers told me to relax, now I will be free soon, and I told them it wasnít the police, or jail, or money or anything. I used google translate and put my phone on the table with just the phrase ďSacrificed my moralsĒ written in Thai. From that point on I kept my head down and couldnít look anyone in the eye, even my friends and loved ones that came to help.

    The next morning, 8am turned to 10, to 11, when police came and put me in a car. This officer was kind and stopped to let me pee and get some water. He offered food, but I couldnít eat. We went to an office that was labeled Attorney General, but we only sat in that room in silence for 30 minutes. Someone gave me 20 baht and told me to pray to Buddha and put it in a display where others had done the same. Then they said I was going to see the judge. We drove up a hill where my friends were diverted and I was taken to the back of the building. They took my phone led me to a hall to a door full of bars. I realized it wasnít the courtroom.

    They put me in an furniture-less room with 15 people in prison uniforms and leg shackles. And left me there for the rest of the day. At one point a lady came with papers for me to sign entering a guilty verdict. She was the first person to speak English to me. She reiterated that if I donít sign, I would go back to jail for at least 15 days before I could take any action again. I signed and laid back on the bare floor for a few more hours. They finally called me name, took me into a hallway where they used a webcam to connect to a guy in an office who spoke all in Thai but apparently lowered my fine (because of all the bribes I was paying) and released me. They put me back in the cell and came to ask for more money. An hour later I was finally released and they drove me home and dropped me off, after a 1000 baht tip for ďgas moneyĒ.

    Iím extremely fortunate to have friends and loved ones that helped me through all this, and people that forwarded me large sums of money to get me out. But Iíve been forced to shut my business until I can redo all the papers my bogus lawyer did wrong. The police told me not to trust anyone, but to go to the mainland and do them all myself. In Thai. Somehow. So, Iím out a business, for now, and bankrupted and in debt to the people that fronted money to me. One Thai family liquidated 2 monthsí salary to forward me everything they could. Iím determined to pay them back quickly.

    Iíve been overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from people asking how to help, even phone calls to send extraction teams in. People suggested starting a GoFundMe campaign to try to raise the money to reopen the business and get back earning before the high season in December, so I can earn enough money to pay off all these loans. SoÖ Here I am. Asking for any little help my incredible group of friends can offer me. I donít have much to offer in return, but if you ever come to any of my hostels, of course youíll always have a place to stay and a friend to show you local life!

    Locked Up Abroad! Help Repay Bribes ? Aussie in Thailand asks for help! - BangkokJack - Bangkok News

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes
    but if you ever come to any of my hostels
    Sounded legit until that bit: He has other hostels?

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    I’ve built my adult life on being open and honest always, no matter what.
    then why the fxck did you come to thailand.

    you cant work, open a businesses that undercuts the thais , employ backpackers and expect to live a trouble free life.

    and most important of all, never ever believe a thai lawyer, especially one on koh samui. they feed on the naivety of foreigners who think they have discovered nirvana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes
    but if you ever come to any of my hostels, of course you’ll always have a place to stay and a friend to show you local life!
    Has plans to build an empire on the charity of others. I am all for free enterprise but what a load of shit. No due diligence no sympathy...

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    Looks like an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    never ever believe a thai lawyer, especially one on koh samui.
    I couldn't agree more. Never, ever, ever ever sign something in Thai you don't understand completely and always use the Reagan era "trust but verify".

    However, my biggest question is.....

    Can a foreigner own a hostel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Looks like an idiot.
    Yes, it's the beard that gives him away. Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.
    Jesus had a beard and gave his eternal life to save all of mankind. I wouldn't call that lazy.

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    " and they told me I had no choice but to sign the papers explaining my charges in Thai, but once I did, I would go home. I signed,"


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    Fuck him, it's all way too dodgy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.
    Jesus had a beard and gave his eternal life to save all of mankind. I wouldn't call that lazy.
    Who told you that ? There are some very wicked people about.

    "By all account there seems to be little doubt that our Lord Jesus Christ had short hair, like a man should have. And it would have been neatly trimmed and kept. As the perfect Son of God, Jesus always set the right example, no disorder and rebellion in His behaviour."

    Did Jesus wear Long Hair and Beard?

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    I lived on Samui many years ago, don't think I met one bar, restaurant, resort farang owner that used a real lawyer.
    Reason was, ligament law firms tell them, can't be done, but scammers could make it happen, friend of the governor, was chief of police, high up island mafia etc.

    Everyone knows the scams, after a few months, yet they still come and payout big time to live the dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.
    Jesus had a beard and gave his eternal life to save all of mankind. I wouldn't call that lazy.
    Who told you that ? There are some very wicked people about.

    "By all account there seems to be little doubt that our Lord Jesus Christ had short hair, like a man should have. And it would have been neatly trimmed and kept. As the perfect Son of God, Jesus always set the right example, no disorder and rebellion in His behaviour."

    Did Jesus wear Long Hair and Beard?
    Blond hair and blue eyes too.



    American accent.

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    No one offering any help then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.
    Jesus had a beard and gave his eternal life to save all of mankind. I wouldn't call that lazy.
    Who told you that ? There are some very wicked people about.

    "By all account there seems to be little doubt that our Lord Jesus Christ had short hair, like a man should have. And it would have been neatly trimmed and kept. As the perfect Son of God, Jesus always set the right example, no disorder and rebellion in His behaviour."

    Did Jesus wear Long Hair and Beard?
    Blond hair and blue eyes too.



    American accent.
    from Cabra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    " and they told me I had no choice but to sign the papers explaining my charges in Thai, but once I did, I would go home. I signed,"

    Remarkable twattishness.

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    And while I was calm and relaxed, not scared or panicking through the whole ordeal, tears streamed down my face as I sacrificed all my morals and ethics and signed the paper full of lies.

    ^
    Loren also spelt traveler wrong,it's wanker,poor snowflake-bedwetter type,instead of go fund me,how about go f#ck me,he is a piccolo playing pillock and a cry baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Iíve built my adult life on being open and honest always, no matter what.
    then why the fxck did you come to thailand.
    ...beat me to it! everyone knows you don't get success in Thailand by being open and honest... especially "no matter what"... and by the way, what was he doing BEFORE his adult life? and was that in Australia or Scaramento?!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVmkDUkZT4

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    A little bit of a google search and;


    https://www.couchsurfing.com/people/6q

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Never trust a man who is too lazy to shave.
    Jesus had a beard and gave his eternal life to save all of mankind. I wouldn't call that lazy.


    Yeah, and Santa has a beard and only works one day a year lazy cnut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    Yeah, and Santa has a beard and only works one day a year lazy cnut.
    Oddly enough, Mrs. Santa shaves her beard, so to speak and remember Tequila always sparks her spark.

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    HEY SNAKE, are you behind this guy and asking people here to help this IDIOT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    A little bit of a google search and;


    https://www.couchsurfing.com/people/6q
    well worth a look.

    what a loser.

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    ...................Couch Potato Couch Potato !

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