Thread: Cannabis for medicinal use ?

How bad can Jeff be? he likes Cheech & Chong FFS!...

I bet he's toking on a big, fat, joint - right now!.

Is a stoner worse than a chronic alcoholic, or not as bad?

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

Also good for epileptics and those recovering from brain injuries. It slows down the blood flow that would cause seizures from hyperactivity or high blood pressure when ever stress occurs, both physically and mentally

I'm not saying every sufferer would feel benefit, as there are always the skeptics, but tests have proved it. Ask an epilepsy specialist and most would agree without hesitation.

After all, anti-seizure/convulsant medication works in a very similar way to cannabis.

Cannabis is an excellent drug for treating traumatic brain and body injuries, as it dilates the capillaries, so reducing blood pressure, and allowing a greater volume of blood flow to and from injured areas at a reduced BP.

The blood vessels and musculature are also further relaxed, so speeding up the healing process through lessening of constriction in the traumatized areas.

Essential nutrients are thus rapidly supplied to the injury, at greater volumes, repairing the damage without causing further rupture in those areas through increased blood pressure.

Chronic or increasingly high blood pressure is also relieved by using ganja, a far better choice than using ACE inhibitors, Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme, or other more potent drugs with their attendant negative side effects.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by sabang

Is a stoner worse than a chronic alcoholic, or not as bad?

Cannabis is nowhere near as bad as alcohol dependency. Chronic alcoholism is much worse than heroin addiction, which has been systematically demonized by the war on drug crusaders.
Cannabis is not very addictive at all. Withdrawal from heavy cannabis use is almost nonexixtent.

Withdrawal from some the synthetic prescription drugs is wicked bad, methadone for instance 9 times more addictive than heroin. Cold turkey withdrawal from methadone is deadly. Much worse than heroin.
Valium 5 times more addictive than heroin. Withdrawal from valium much worse than heroin.
Heroin is highly addictive make no mistake and should be used with due caution. But ismmuch less harmful than much of what is currently legaly prescribed.

Plant derived medicine from cannabis, kratom, opium, coca are much milder and less harmful than many of the prescription drugs current being peddled by doctors. Doctors are simply licensed pushers for big pharma industry.

The whole war on drugs shenanigan is perpetrated by corporated sponsored government.

Ephedrine is a natural plant extract. Pseudoephedrine is simply the synthesised version of it.
While I agree with what you say, I think it is a mistake to think that because it's natural that it's safe. Heck, cane toad venom can give you a high, and can kill, just as magic mushrooms, peyote, datura etc.

When Mair et al were excavating the Tokarian graves in the Tarim basin China, they found that many of the corpses were buried with a bundle of ephedra twigs clutched in their hands or in little purses placed on their bodies.

4,000 years ago Tokarians (genetically and culturally related to the Welsh and Cumbrians) were using ephedrine, along with marijuana and harmaline (Syrian rue), another Eurasian herb, in their daily lives and for religious purposes.

Harmaline is similar in effect to ayahuasca, and was mixed with cannabis (traces found in stone mortars there) to produce the fabled drug Soma, of Vedic tradition.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

can kill, just as magic mushrooms, peyote, datura etc.

peyote is cactus , don't think they are poisonous

Originally Posted by blue

peyote is cactus , don't think they are poisonous

Peyote - probably not.

Datura requires fasting before ingesting. It can make you pretty sick if you don't follow the rules.

Magic mushrooms same same really.

Having said that, anything taken in stupid excess is going to do you harm, IMHO.

Datura is a very dangerous thing to take....people have lost their minds, and / or gone blind. Occasionally there have been reports about this in Australia.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by Maanaam

can kill, just as magic mushrooms, peyote, datura etc.

peyote is cactus , don't think they are poisonous

Cacti have poisonous spines.

A big enough dose of the alkaloids can put you to sleep, your blood pressure drops, and breathing slows.
Stronger doses and/or pre-existing health problems could put a person at risk to sleep permanently.




Trichocereus , the San Pedro Cactus won't kill you but the alkaloids can.


To prepare, once sliced, remove the papery thin skin.

In behind the spines is a dense little carrot shaped root structure containing the stronger alkaloids.

Cut that out, along with the spines.

Cut and separate all the green outer edge into a pot,discard the rest. Add water and simmer for an hour or as long as necessary, adding water and filtering a drink out of the brew, or until you finally get a thick brown paste hours later.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Datura is a very dangerous thing to take....people have lost their minds, and / or gone blind. Occasionally there have been reports about this in Australia.

Very true but, if you follow the correct practice, its an extraordinary experience.

Originally Posted by crackerjack101

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Datura is a very dangerous thing to take....people have lost their minds, and / or gone blind. Occasionally there have been reports about this in Australia.

Very true but, if you follow the correct practice, its an extraordinary experience.

Indeed many native medicines are very powerful and require cautious and educated application.

Even cannabis nowadays should be approached with due caution because of how potent the modern strains are. While not really in any danger of death the unprepared can experience some discomfort if improperly administered.

But government should not be a part of it in any way shape or form.

But the point being government cannot be trusted seeing how cannabis prohibition has been in effect since the 1930's

Government serves the corporate elite. That should be very clear me thinks.
People cannot trust big corporate government. Period. Full stop. Period.

Originally Posted by crackerjack101

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Datura is a very dangerous thing to take....people have lost their minds, and / or gone blind. Occasionally there have been reports about this in Australia.

Very true but, if you follow the correct practice, its an extraordinary experience.

Ok then....try it out.

https://erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml

Here however is one person's conclusion after taking it (as Jimson weed, but same active ingredient) :


Afterthoughts: First of all, I'd like to say: DO NOT TAKE JIMSON WEED. 99.99% of everyone should never take this. It's all too common for someone to get arrested or end up in a psyche ward, or even get shot from walking into someone else's house, not knowing what's going on. It's also very easy to be poisoned to death, people have died from it before. Also, you will be tested by the spirit(s), and if you fail, there can be dire consequences, particularly with the protector/wolf. It's not a pleasant high. In fact there is no 'high.' I felt completely normal, despite the craziness I witnessed. It was kind of amazing I remembered taking anything at all, that's not common. I didn't really think twice about what I was seeing, just like I probably don't in a dream. This is clearly a NEGATIVE PLANE OF EXISTENCE. I don't know if I believe in Hell, but if there is one, this is realm surely has some kind of correlation.


The belladonna alkaloids are so terrifying and incapacitating - the physical effects often so unpleasant, and the loss of contact with ordinary reality so complete - that they are used only with great caution and rarely for pleasure.

Ya gotta be mad to eat the shit.