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    Bishop Edward Daly, who waved the white handkerchief on Bloody Sunday, has died

    Bishop Edward Daly, the man who waved the white handkerchief on Bloody Sunday, has died , He was a great man will be sadly missed , R.I.P.





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    EDWARD DALY, THE Catholic priest who famously waved a white flag while trying to aid the wounded on Bloody Sunday, has died.
    The 82-year-old died this morning after a short battle with cancer.
    Bishop Daly was probably best-known for his actions on the infamous day in Derry on 30 January 1972, when he waved a white handkerchief while trying to help wounded man Jackie Duddy to safety after he was gunned down by British paratroopers.

    Fourteen people died and another 12 were injured at a Catholic civil rights march in the city in one of the most infamous incidents of the Northern Irish troubles.
    A Fermanagh native, Bishop Daly waved the handkerchief towards the end of the day in a famous photograph in a desperate attempt to help the wounded to safety without fear of coming under fire in the Bogside.
    Ordained in 1957, in the aftermath of Bloody Sunday, Bishop Daly served as Bishop of Derry from 1974 until 1993 when serious illness caused him to vacate his position.
    “It is with deepest regret that I announce the death, this morning, of Bishop Edward Daly,” Donal McKeown, current Bishop of Derry, said this morning.
    Bishop Daly provided an example of priestly ministry which was exemplary. His ministry was characterised by his deep love of the people of this diocese, his dedicated visitation of parishes and his constant availability to others.
    Archbishop Eamon Martin described Bishop Daly as “an iconic figure in the civic and church life of Ireland, north and south”.
    “As the bishop who ordained me to the priesthood in 1987, I had huge admiration for Bishop Edward,” Martin said.
    (He) literally spent himself in the service of others. He had a sensitive heart and generous disposition – ever caring to the sick, the bereaved, and to victims on all sides of the Troubles.
    Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan meanwhile described Daly as “first and foremost a man of peace” who was “respected on all sides”.
    “He will be greatly missed by all who knew him, but particularly by the people of Derry,” the minister said. “In latter years, his work in the Foyle hospice was of great comfort to many. My condolences go to all of his family.”

    Bishop Edward Daly, the man who waved the white handkerchief on Bloody Sunday, has died



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    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.

    Oh, sorry.

    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.

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    In 1972 Catholic Priests where held in high esteem, they where powerful figures in Society.
    There was no scandal back then.

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    cry me a river

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    In 1972 Catholic Priests where held in high esteem, they where powerful figures in Society.
    There was no scandal back then.
    Them and TV celebrities were protected then.

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    fuck um !
    if we gave them independence
    they would give just it away by joning the EU and be its obedient handout hungry little poodle

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    looks like a Charles Dickens play set in 1880

    Amazing how much more modern / semi-civilised the Irish have become over 40 years .
    Even in the 1980s they were years behind.

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    Bishop Daly risked his own life trying to save a young mans life but to no avail , the British army fired 108 shots that day , how many men on this forum would risk their lives trying to save someone , very few I would say , plenty of internet hard men on this forum but in real life old fooking crying women ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.

    Oh, sorry.

    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.
    harrybarracuda you're an old fooking crying woman , this man risked his own life trying to save someones life , Harry you're piece of shit and you're are a yellow bastard and you will die all alone and your cats will eat you , fooking cnut ,

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    EVOLUTION IN EUROPE
    Bishop Rebukes I.R.A. For Car Bomb Attacks

    Published: October 28, 1990

    LONDONDERRY, Northern Ireland, Oct. 27— A Roman Catholic bishop, speaking at the funeral of a man who was forced to drive a bomb into a military checkpoint, condemned the Irish Republican Army today as followers of Satan.

    Bishop Edward Daly said the I.R.A. and its supporters were "the complete contradiction of Christianity."

    "They may say they are followers of Christ," he said. "Some of them may even still engage in the hypocrisy of coming to church, but their lives and their works proclaim clearly that they follow Satan."

    Bishop Daly spoke at the funeral of Patsy Gillespie, 42 years old, who was forced to drive a van loaded with explosives into a military checkpoint outside Londonderry on Wednesday morning. The explosion killed Mr. Gillespie.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/28/wo...b-attacks.html

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    Moral courage has never, never, been a particular strongpoint of the Roman Catholic Church.....
    ...i suppose we could honour the framework within which this man operated without signing up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post


    looks like a Charles Dickens play set in 1880

    Amazing how much more modern / semi-civilised the Irish have become over 40 years .
    Even in the 1980s they were years behind.
    Unlike the Republic of Ireland, which must be rich beyond imagination because I heard their capital is always doublin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    fuck um !
    if we gave them independence
    they would give just it away by joning the EU and be its obedient handout hungry little poodle

    ne comprends pas.... .....and off topic.....heres the thread for Brexit http://teakdoor.com/world-news/16707...its-on-50.html
    Last edited by KEVIN2008; 09-08-2016 at 07:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post


    looks like a Charles Dickens play set in 1880

    Amazing how much more modern / semi-civilised the Irish have become over 40 years .
    Even in the 1980s they were years behind.
    Unlike the Republic of Ireland, which must be rich beyond imagination because I heard their capital is always doublin'.
    why are they carrying Rowan Atkinson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.

    Oh, sorry.

    I'm never displeased when a catholic priest dies; that's one less kiddie fiddler on the planet.
    harrybarracuda you're an old fooking crying woman , this man risked his own life trying to save someones life , Harry you're piece of shit and you're are a yellow bastard and you will die all alone and your cats will eat you , fooking cnut ,
    It's a shame they didn't get him then, think of all the children that could have avoided being molested.

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    Stop Shouting !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgen View Post
    Stop Shouting !
    I'm not, the Pikey always uses stupid big fonts, I think his eyesight is going.

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    Tis the proof der in de picture, that young boy is a wounded sniper.

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    Photo's/pictures of Bloody Sunday are not all they're made out to be. On reading an article regarding 'Bloody Sunday' I noticed they'd published a photo of a rioter being assaulted by a paratrooper. Anyone see the mistake in the picture? 10 Facts about Bloody Sunday 1972 | Fact File

    Bloody Sunday 1972 Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Photo's/pictures of Bloody Sunday are not all they're made out to be. On reading an article regarding 'Bloody Sunday' I noticed they'd published a photo of a rioter being assaulted by a paratrooper. Anyone see the mistake in the picture? 10 Facts about Bloody Sunday 1972 | Fact File

    Bloody Sunday 1972 Ireland

    Wooops.

    Selma, Alabama, (Bloody Sunday, March 7, 1965) | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

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    longish, but interesting read.......k

    Bishop Daly told of remorseful IRA killers. But where children are killers there is no conscience

    Robert Fisk
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    A Russian sapper works to clear mines in the historic part of Palmyra, Syria, earlier this year, after it was retaken from Isil. The jihadists carried out a mass killing in the ancient city before Syrian troops expelled them from it. Photo: Reuters

    Old Bishop Daly was a hero of mine. In an age when the Catholic Church was betrayed by its own child-abusing priests, he was a man of great courage - in facing his own mortality after a terrifying stroke, just as he was when he waved a blood-soaked handkerchief in the face of British paratroopers, carrying the dying Jackie Duddy on Bloody Sunday.

    Duddy was 17 when he was murdered by a British soldier of the 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment on January 30, 1972. Edward Daly was 82 when he died this week. And he was a man whom I always associated - for all the right reasons - with death.

    Less than two weeks earlier, Father Jacques Hamel (three years older than Daly) died before his altar outside Rouen, his throat cut by two men who claimed to be adherents of Isil, the very cult of death. They were killed by the police.

    But what of the other hundreds - thousands - of Isil followers in the Middle East who have hacked off the heads of their enemies, cut their throats, burned them alive, lowered them into well-filled swimming pools, cut them down in a blizzard of sub-machine gun fire? Do they have no conscience at all, even in their last years (always supposing they survive that long), decrepit and bald and waiting for the end? Do they forever "see through a glass, darkly"?

    I put such a question to Bishop Daly some years after he retired. We were sitting one evening in his room close to St Eugene's Cathedral in Derry. Did IRA men find their consciences in old age, I asked him, when they could see death coming for them?

    "No Robert, you don't understand," he said to me sadly. "The time the reality comes crashing in on them is when their first child is born. They have participated in the creation of a life and three months later young men come to me with problems because they have killed someone. This hits them while they are still young and not at such a remove from the act of killing. Some of them have sat here and wept."

    But, re-reading my 1997 interview with Daly, I am drawn back to a moment scarcely six weeks ago when I was standing on the stage of the Roman theatre at Palmyra alongside a Syrian army captain, not long after the city's liberation from Isil. "They made 25 of our soldiers kneel here on the stage after they captured Palmyra last year, beside each other with their hands tied," he said. "Then our soldiers were shot in the back of the head, one by one."

    Had the killer been found, I asked? The captain smiled at my stupidity. Again, I did not understand. "The executioner was a small boy," he said. "He was about 10 years old. When the terrorists left, they took him with them."
    Somehow, Isil - far less militarily dangerous than the al-Qaeda lookalikes that now pose under the name of Fatah el-Shams - had gone a step beyond the mournful scenario which Bishop Daly spoke of: the broken killer-father, driven to remorse by the birth of his own child.

    And yes, that Syrian captain's story was perfectly comprehensible. There is videotape in Syria of a child hacking away at a prisoner's neck with a knife, another of a seven-year-old boy - the son of an Australian fighter, now dead, named Khaled Sharrouf - holding a severed human head in his hands.

    I was much struck a couple of years ago when the French police found two Facebook accounts on the laptop of a teenage girl who had travelled to Syria. One was filled with school parties and music, the other contained an image of ruined Aleppo and a prayer that she might help to save the women and children of the city. Which was the "real Facebook", the cops wanted to know? The answer was surely simple: both of them.

    I was even more amazed by the remark of a French judge this year, who noticed that the mother of a suspected jihadi was bringing him, during court breaks, the food he liked to eat when he was a schoolchild. The judge remarked on the juvenile nature of this behaviour. Yes, mummy was bringing his favourite school ice cream to him.
    And there is, is there not, a faint connection between this and the pathetic email messages from teenagers already in Syria as they reassure future jihadis of equal immaturity that they can buy their favourite food in Raqqa. Armed Isil men have appeared on videos to extol their much-loved chocolate hazelnut spread, their enthusiasm for kittens and their hatred for 'Star Wars' (too violent, naturally).

    All this suggests that the "television terrorists" of Isil have not been radicalised at all, as Western terror experts and Scotland Yard claim. They have been infantilised. Isil has broken down the precious wall which separates childhood from adulthood, innocence from guilt. This - far more than mass murder - is their final dark achievement.

    Our "moderate" Arab dictators have been doing it for years, of course; turning their oppressed populations into children who will cheerfully obey any order to please the headmaster, prepared to vote 98pc - even 100pc - for their leader's cause. Hosni Mubarak's last appeal for his political survival in Egypt began with the words: "My children, my children…" But where does that leave our own internal barriers to violence?

    A Derry caseworker with bereaved families reminded me, a couple of days after Bishop Daly's death, of Marie Newton, whose husband John Toland was murdered by the Protestant UDA (possibly with the collusion of the security forces) in 1976. Marie was left with seven children to care for. She remembered telling them after John was killed, however, that she was lucky she'd been their murdered father's wife, not the wife of the man who pulled the trigger.

    It was a sentiment Bishop Daly would have admired. In his biography, he speaks of Bloody Sunday - he was 39 then - as "the day when I lost any romantic notions or ambivalence that I may have had about the morality of the use of arms as a means of resolving our political problems." Armed conflict, he wrote, "brutalises both those who participate in it and the society in which the warriors [sic] engage…"

    In 2003, Derry relatives of the 14 Catholic men killed by the British army tried to twin their city with Fallujah in Iraq after American paratroopers killed 16 Muslim Arab men there, all apparently unarmed. But such gestures scarcely approach a Middle East where the ceremony of innocence has now been so deeply drowned.

    I last saw Daly in 2002 when the Bloody Sunday families invited me to give their annual memorial lecture in Derry - the first Brit to be asked to do so - and I approached the Bishop beforehand as he sat among the audience.

    He was chatting quietly in the third row. I had no intention, I told him, of talking about my meetings in Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden. I was bored with repeating them at public talks and interviews. Daly shook his head in amused wonderment. "No!" he roared. "They will want you to tell them all about him." If I was to address the same audience today, however, I doubt if they'd be so keen to hear my words. Nor would Bishop Daly.

    Bin Laden's legacy in the Middle East has turned into something even he might not recognise today. Nihilism has begat infantilisation, where the schoolchild and the murderer have become one, as innocent and guilty as the other.

    Those who have "participated in the creation of a life" can no longer be relied upon to feel any conscience - when the only reality which will come "crashing in on them" will be the young child so soon to be contaminated by the father's acts.

    Independent News Service)
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    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...-34959202.html

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    I shall read that tomorrow. I have to learn about my Irish history.

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