Thread: The World is Fucked: We are going to War

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Problem with going to war with Islamic State is that they are not actually a state. Their structure is something entirely new and that has been one of the reasons for their success. If they were easy to defeat they would have been defeated long ago. Remember that this group won the greatest numerical victory in the history of warfare at Mosul in 2013.They are not a state, they are a franchise and if defeated in Syria will just pop up somewhere else. Bombing won't defeat them, freezing Saudi bank accounts might.

Rome was defeated by a bunch of disorganized germanic barbarians,

let's see if history repeats itself,

I bet it will,

First one would have to cease from rewriting historic perspective and know the reality behind the downward spiral of your beloved Roman empire - in large part wasn't instigated by Germanic tribes. Look farther a bit east and south for the answer.

If the worm turns and the moon is full, then look for oranges among turtle eggs.

Originally Posted by stroller

And where do the funds for the wars and weapons come from, wouldn't be oil-dollars by any chance?

It comes from tax payers.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Remember that this group won the greatest numerical victory in the history of warfare at Mosul in 2013.

I'd like to see more info on that if you've got it Bob

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Originally Posted by stroller

And where do the funds for the wars and weapons come from

American tax payers

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Tough shit, they were warned to stay out of Turkey.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Tough shit, they were warned to stay out of Turkey.

You're going to feel a bit silly Harry when it's proven the jet didn't enter Turkish airspace.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Yep. TD has it covered.

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/15977...key-shoot.html

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Yep. TD has it covered.

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/15977...key-shoot.html

posted before Harry

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Yep. TD has it covered.

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/15977...key-shoot.html

posted before Harry

In the lounge though you fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and to start the day:

Turkey shots down unidentified war plane

probably Russian, and here we go !!!

Tough shit, they were warned to stay out of Turkey.

You're going to feel a bit silly Harry when it's proven the jet didn't enter Turkish airspace.

Don't be silly.

If there was video of it flying over Istanbul, Russia will "prove" it was over Syria.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Tough shit, they were warned to stay out of Turkey.

Like a minnow telling a pike to get out of his pond....

...sometimes it pays to be a little more diplomatic because sometimes the guys you think you are friends with...turn their backs...and if they don't, you may end up wishing they had...

However, I think a good grovel and a clear understanding of who is the common enemy may stop this escalating further.

We are not going to war, we have been at war for 25 years. Think about that, this war started in 1990 and shows no sign of ever ending.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Troy

Where the hell is Lawrence of Arabia when you need him?

On the other side, of course. I can only assume you know fuck all about him if you think he would have anything but admiration for IS.

Apologies, I missed your reply earlier DrBob.

I thought I knew a little more than fuck all about T.E Lawrence, but I admit to not being an expert and I haven't read all his works. However, he was a favourite of my History master and I felt your reply was a little condescending, despite the ambiguous nature of my one-liner.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of him helping the Kurdish against IS...and the complexities that brings with the Turkish. I happen to believe his view that Arabs had been robbed of their promises for breaking up the Ottoman Empire and I believe that the formation and subsequent expansion of Israel was a fundamental mistake,,,despite their help during his campaigns.

But as you say...I know fuck all...

Confusing information.....

Two Russian pilots alive - Turkey
2015-11-24 22:28
Ankara - The two pilots who ejected from a Russian war plane downed by Turkey on the Syrian border are believed to be alive and Turkish authorities are seeking to recover them, a government official said on Tuesday.

"Turkey has information that the two pilots are alive and right now Turkey is trying to recover them," the official told AFP, after reports that at least one of the pilots could have died after parachuting down inside Syria.

In Russia, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov just said "there is no official information" about the fate of the pilots from the downed plane.

CNN-Turk television said Syrian Turkmen forces fighting the Damascus regime had captured one of the pilots while Syrian opposition sources told AFP one had been killed by rebels and the second was missing.

In a separate incident, sources told AFP in Beirut that a Russian helicopter in the same area in Syria was destroyed by rebels on the ground after being forced to make an emergency landing following damage from rebel fire.

A Syrian military source told AFP that a unit of Syrian regime special forces saved the dozen-strong Russian commando team and brought them back to the regime stronghold of Latakia.

Two Russian pilots alive - Turkey | News24

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Troy

Where the hell is Lawrence of Arabia when you need him?

On the other side, of course. I can only assume you know fuck all about him if you think he would have anything but admiration for IS.

Apologies, I missed your reply earlier DrBob.

I thought I knew a little more than fuck all about T.E Lawrence, but I admit to not being an expert and I haven't read all his works. However, he was a favourite of my History master and I felt your reply was a little condescending, despite the ambiguous nature of my one-liner.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of him helping the Kurdish against IS...and the complexities that brings with the Turkish. I happen to believe his view that Arabs had been robbed of their promises for breaking up the Ottoman Empire and I believe that the formation and subsequent expansion of Israel was a fundamental mistake,,,despite their help during his campaigns.

But as you say...I know fuck all...

Wilfred Thesiger is the man we should be looking to, not Aircraftman Ross.

^ Arabian Sands vs Seven Pillars of Wisdom? or am I off track again?

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Arabian Sands vs Seven Pillars of Wisdom? or am I off track again?

Lawrence wanted to be a story book Arab, he was the classic orientalising Englishman, a fantasist. Thesiger was free and independent, he wanted to, and did, live free. Both, of course, were bent as 9 bob notes. Thesiger travelled the world's empty places and understood what he saw, Lawrence played dress-up and dreamed of Faisals circumcised cock.

Pillows of Arabian sand biters.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

We are not going to war, we have been at war for 25 years. Think about that, this war started in 1990 and shows no sign of ever ending.

All the while, this reality seems to be lost by most.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Wilfred Thesiger is the man

Some very good stories from him.

The BBC really outdid themselves with this 3 part series about the politics of fear about 10 years back. Well worth watching for anyone who has not seen it.

The Power of Nightmares 1: The Rise of the Politics of Fear (BBC-2004) - Video Dailymotion

The kind of programming the makes the Beeb a world leader, despite the de-facto gagging orders due to libel at home. Well worth a watch.