I have been having a quite heated discussion on another forum about this subject, it started off about bar-fines then degenerated into whether or not bar-owners are pimps or not, my personal opinion is that if they are employing prostitutes they are, but some of the things a certain bar-owner is saying, trying to defend himself and saying he is not a pimp are just plain hilarious. Anyway what are your guys/gals views, are bar-owners pimps or not.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
you are the one without logic, not me or all the other people on this board who can see things for what they are.
Bar-owner
You say this, but nowhere on this board have you made one single attempt to refute my points. You just repeat the same things, proving that you are unable to refute my logic.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
While i understand bar-owners don't like being referred to as pimps and don't want to accept that is what they are, it is a fact.
Bar-owner
Nonsense, pure and simple.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
I will try and explain it one last time to you, as you seem to be the only person who still doesn't understand that you are a pimp.
Bar-owner
Because I am not, I have shown repeatedly that I have not, and you haven't once provided one scintilla of proof to the contrary.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
You are providing a premises (shooters) for women to solicit sex from punters, this alone makes you a pimp.
Bar-owner
False. Thank you for pointing out the central falsehood here: The bar owner is not the one soliciting anything along these lines, the GIRLS are. Very good, give that man a gold star. Pimps solicit sex customers for their girls, so if the girl is doing the soliciting rather than the bar owner, the bar owner is not a pimp by definition. I knew that if I could get you to do anything but repeat a mantra, you would eventually give me a way to show you wrong. Thanks for that.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
Also you charge a barfine and you take a % of that whether the bar takes 100 baht or 400 baht is irrelevant if you take 1 baht you are still a pimp.
Bar-owner
False, as I have repeatedly shown. You restating this position is not proof of anything except that you are not able to refute any of my points.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
Now you will state you time and tested bullshit that a barfine is to compensate the bar for the girls time and not for sex, while this is correct it does not exempt you from being a pimp, as 99.99% of punters are paying a barfine so that they can go and have sex with the girl, hence you are a pimp.
Bar-owner
My assertion has been tested and has shown itself to be airtight in that nobody has refuted it. And, if 99.99% of punters expected the girls to clean their rooms, that wouldn't make Shooters a maid service either. It is a bar, period. Customers' expectations have nothing to do with what bar owners do. Sorry.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
Now we will move on to soliciting for sex, just to make it absolutely clear to you, that you are a pimp.
Bar-owner
False, as I have already shown that BY YOUR OWN REASONING the bar owner is not the one doing the soliciting. (I must admit, that was VERY satisfying.)
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
Normaly before paying a barfine the customer will be asking the girl L/T or S/T, how much, do you do bbbj, do you take it up the arse etc. All these conversations are taking place in your bar, the girls employed by you (whether illegaly or legally) are soliciting for sex in your premises, therefore and i know you still won't accept it, YOU ARE A PIMP.
Bar-owner
Bullshit. If my customers talk about sports betting that doesn't make me a bookie either. And thanks for again showing that it is not the bar owner who is soliciting anything, the central reason why bar owners are not pimps. I got lucky enough for you to say it once, getting you to say it twice is a real treat.
Your arguments are incredibly easy to shoot down. I hope your profession does not include logical thinking of this sort.
QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
Now is that logical and easy enough for you to understand, i've tried not to use any long words.
Bar-owner
And now that you have proven your own self wrong several times in this post alone, maybe you should go learn some longer words. And a little bit about logic and reasoning wouldn't hurt either.
This is his reply to one of my posts, he likes to break them up and answer each point individually, i have just copied it as he replied to it.