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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^^

    So how did it pan out ?

    Getting divorced In Australia costs a fortune, throw kids in the Mix and it's game over.
    My divorce in Australia from my first wife cost bugger all. My ex and I agreed on a split and there was no need for any court or lawyers.

    Thai [at][at][at][at] was a different story.
    She has some contact with a very powerful lawyer that she knew from the Yellow Shirts.
    He worked pro bono for her.

    My Thai lawyer had assed that she would have to sell at least some of the houses in Thailand to pay me out. Most of my assists in Aus were purchased before marriage and so nearly everything in Thailand should be split at least almost 50/50.

    I was working in Singapore at the time. Took time off from work to go to court in Chonburi city.
    Her lawyer had planned all along to just drag out the proceedings as long as possible, wanting adjournment after adjournment, knowing that I'd have to waste more and more vacation time, spend money on flights and hotel bills, etc, etc.
    Chonburi City is a shithole, nobody would choose to stay there... (Sorry if I offended any members that actually live there...)

    I soon realized that they were going to fuck me unless I caved in.
    In the end, she kept everything in Thailand, plus I had to give her an additional 1 million baht.

    I had always seen the expenses in Thailand as investments that I was willing to walk away from if it went tits up, but the additional 1 mil wasn't part of that plan.

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    fuckers.

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    Who in the right mind would invest serious capital in a country that is not only corrupt to the core, but where you as a Westerner are seem as a second class human being.

    Keep all money and investments firmly back home in civilisation


    I was considering trying to open a tourist bank account to keep my baht in.. Then i read too many stories of tourists' baht just vanishing (imagine that )


    Like i said.. circus act - Fantastic for a holiday though
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    I love Living in Bangkok and have a very good life style.

    This country is brilliant if one has money and no commitments. We all make our own choice on the Commitment issue so I ain't apologizing I ain't got any.

    Would I invest money here ?

    Like Fuk.


    If one is going to go balls in, be prepared to walk if it all goes South.

    All this shit ain't no problem then.

    Vard and this other Guy must shoulder part of the responsibility for their predicament.

    The situation they find themselves in is nothing new.

    They Invested huge amounts of money in Micky Mouse land. ? Stupid innit.

    Farang are Fair game, play the Thais game and give them fuk all to steal.

    Usufructs, buying houses and land in Company names means shit at the end of the day as these cases prove.

    These guys are wasting their life fighting cases that could of easily been avoided with a bit of common sense.

    Seen Vard on telli the other night, fuk me he ain't got long to live, so stressed up he will die at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe
    I soon realized that they were going to fuck me unless I caved in.
    In the end, she kept everything in Thailand, plus I had to give her an additional 1 million baht.
    You must have had the worst lawyer in Thailand, laws simple communal property is a 50/50 split, unless you had signed the property over to her earlier.

    More to the story I think, on what grounds did she seek divorce and why did you give her a Mil Baht compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe
    I soon realized that they were going to fuck me unless I caved in.
    In the end, she kept everything in Thailand, plus I had to give her an additional 1 million baht.
    You must have had the worst lawyer in Thailand, laws simple communal property is a 50/50 split, unless you had signed the property over to her earlier.

    More to the story I think, on what grounds did she seek divorce and why did you give her a Mil Baht compensation.
    agreed. not my experience at all .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe
    with a very powerful lawyer
    with his email address you could probably pay less than 1 mill baht to fcuk with his life next time he goes with his laptop on a trip to a western country

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    Yeah...paying 1 mil on top sounds weird ....like bend over and how far would you like to take it sir ......sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawtier View Post
    Yeah...paying 1 mil on top sounds weird ....like bend over and how far would you like to take it sir ......sorry
    Whole story is full of holes, her high flying lawyer for one.

    From Siam legal.
    [Can The Filing Party Be Represented By Counsel?

    No. He or she will be called to appear at least once to give his/her testimony against the erring spouse.]

    Once the papers are filed, lawyers are out and it's in the hands of the 5 judges.

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    It was me that wanted the divorce.
    I wanted it over and done with.
    I didn't want to waste any more time, I had already wasted a week of vacation sitting in courtrooms during the day, and sitting in a hotel in a shitty town doing SFA each night.
    My flight back to Singapore was booked for Saturday, the only way it was going to be finalized by Friday evening was if I made that agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    can yours suck a golf ball through a length of garden hose ?
    Quite a feat, and another reason golf is so popular...

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    Farang beware

    Horror story indeed:

    The Phuket property nightmare - BBC News

    " there but for ...".........

    Not that this sort of thing does not happen elsewhere of course but it is legitimized.

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    This guy must be dense. Did he have no sense that his wife was a conniving b*tch. Surely there must have been some signs that all was not going well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naptownmike View Post
    This guy must be dense. Did he have no sense that his wife was a conniving b*tch. Surely there must have been some signs that all was not going well.
    Either the wife's massive gambling debts or pressure from her own family usually drives this sort of behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naptownmike View Post
    This guy must be dense. Did he have no sense that his wife was a conniving b*tch. Surely there must have been some signs that all was not going well.
    Not to be mistaken for an anti-woman rant, but women often plan divorces years in advance yet manage to carry on in the marriage in a way that leaves her partner blindsided when it happens.
    There are some interesting articles about this, one was in Psychology Today, but I cannot find it now.

    Why do so many men get blindsided by divorce? - OMG Chronicles OMG Chronicles
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    Shear greed by both parties, why invest in businesses if you came to retire.
    Everyone wants your money and most of the farang investors know full well they are getting into dodgy dealings.

    If you are on the up and up from the start, you would have used a proper, international law firm, but they will not do the dodgy deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post

    Not to be mistaken for an anti-woman rant, but women often plan divorces years in advance yet manage to carry on in the marriage in a way that leaves her partner blindsided when it happens.

    I can recall quite a few cases in Perth were Guys retired and the next thing you hear the wife has walked out.

    They are lucky really because usually the Kids are grown up so no ongoing maintenance issues and all assets split 50/50.

    Sure does dumb down their lifestyle and expectations though.

    I never say a word simply because the guy may of been an arsehole when at home.

    Smart women hang in there to maximize their pay out when splitting from the man especially when he has shit load in his Superannuation account.

    Oh yes,

    The old marriage vows are a load of shit when it all goes South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    It was me that wanted the divorce.
    I wanted it over and done with.
    I didn't want to waste any more time, I had already wasted a week of vacation sitting in courtrooms during the day, and sitting in a hotel in a shitty town doing SFA each night.
    My flight back to Singapore was booked for Saturday, the only way it was going to be finalized by Friday evening was if I made that agreement.
    You let the team down....giving in.....what about the next guy ?

    got a pic ?

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    Don't blame the women they hang around for there children and hope things will change,then the old fart retires and he's around the house more and she thinks fek this I'm off.


    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post

    Not to be mistaken for an anti-woman rant, but women often plan divorces years in advance yet manage to carry on in the marriage in a way that leaves her partner blindsided when it happens.

    I can recall quite a few cases in Perth were Guys retired and the next thing you hear the wife has walked out.

    They are lucky really because usually the Kids are grown up so no ongoing maintenance issues and all assets split 50/50.

    Sure does dumb down their lifestyle and expectations though.

    I never say a word simply because the guy may of been an arsehole when at home.

    Smart women hang in there to maximize their pay out when splitting from the man especially when he has shit load in his Superannuation account.

    Oh yes,

    The old marriage vows are a load of shit when it all goes South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    Here's more info on Ian rance.

    Thai Justice system offers no protection to foreign investors or expat families.

    British businessman, Ian Rance (57), from Hertfordshire, moved to Phuket, Thailand in 2001. In 2008-9 Suda, his Thai wife of 7 years, conspired with mafia style money lenders in Phuket, forging his signature to gain control of his two businesses, family home, a lakeside property, restaurant and vehicles worth around £2 million.

    Threatened

    In the Summer of 2010, the scam was uncovered by accident by Mr Rance’s lawyer resulting in Suda fleeing leaving Mr Rance caring for their three children then aged 2, 6 & 7. Not long after came the threats that the children would be kidnapped and of violence if the family home was not immediately vacated.Family-Destroyed

    Exiled from Phuket and now homeless, Ian sought refuge in Central Thailand to avoid the mafia reprisals likely from the several court cases against those responsible for the fraud and conspiracy.

    Systemic Corruption

    So was the beginning of a five year nightmare through the Thai legal system, riddled with corruption and infested with racist, cheating lawyers, a money laundering bank and culminating in a series of judgements which defy understanding.

    Suda was committed to prison for three years in 2011 for forging company documents and another 18 months in 2014 for the fraudulent power of attorney used to cancel the lease held on the family home. The court however acquitted her, along with the money lender and his agent of theft of the company assets despite the earlier conviction for fraud. Suda was also found to have every right to sell the family home as owner despite the fraudulent lease cancellation.

    The two civil cases brought to protect and recover the assets of Mr Rance’s two companies were recently dismissed on grounds of public order. Apparently under Thai law the judge decided that the fraudulent act of removing Mr Rance as Director and Shareholder of the Companies meant he was thereby dis-empowered to sue on behalf of the companies. In the same judgement the court awarded the Directorship and shareholding be restored to Mr Rance because of the fraud.

    One might think that there is a basic principle of justice that no benefit can be gained in law from an illegal act. That does not seem to be so in Thailand.

    Mai-Khao-001-GonetMoney Laundering

    This must be of interest to foreign investors considering Thailand as a base for business since losing control of the businesses was so quick and easy and even if uncovered quickly, the Director is powerless to protect the assets from sale. Once the assets are converted to money it is impossible to recover.

    It is also interesting to note that the court did accept an application to protect the assets of one company. The process took several months. During the adjournment between hearings the money lender took a mortgage with the a major Thai Bank which has now seized the property and the money lender has stopped paying the interest which accrues. So much for the court protection!

    This is the normal method employed by money lenders to convert the stolen asset into money as the true owner is held liable to the bank for the mortgage taken by the conspiring money lender. The same Thai bank, money lender and the seller of the stolen asset were already being sued together by Mr Rance in a separate case for theft involving the asset of his other company.

    So even though in current litigation the same branch of the same bank approved the mortgage with practically no checks at all. Now it is defending a mortgage that amount to money laundering.

    The civil case taken to recover the family home was also dismissed by Phuket Court despite the conviction for the fraudulent cancellation of the lease.

    The court decided that the lease was irrelevant because Mr Rance was living in the house as a family with Suda and their three children and therefore had decided to buy the house for family living and not for profit.

    The fraudulent cancellation of the lease by meant nothing.

    Legal Trickery

    This-is-Home-FraudIn an even more bizarre twist, one of the money lenders sued Mr Rance back on grounds of perjury, saying he knew all along about the fraud. There is of course no evidence but the money lenders lawyer made certain the case was accepted by making sure papers relating to the case never reached Mr Rance until the day after the court accepted the case by default. The court has now seized the passport, requiring multiple trips to Phuket to comply with the resulting visa requirements. Worse is that Mr Rance is now denied the opportunity to earn to support his family.

    Legal cases are extremely expensive and with no income it is extremely hard for justice to be served. No one appears to be interested least of a;; the British Embassy.

    Empty Promises

    Despite seeking help from the Prime Ministers Office, the Ministry for Justice, the Office of Attorney General, the Governor of Phuket, the Royal Thai Navy (whilst in control of Phuket at the beginning of the coup), none was forthcoming.

    This is how foreign investors are cheated of their assets and life savings in Thailand. This is how families are destroyed by money lender gangs in Thailand. This is how corruption throughout the Justice system helps criminals get away with the fraud and encourage more.

    Mr Rance is now seeking help from the Royal Thai Police, looking to join the investigation just started for Colin Vard, an Irishman subject to a similar fraud and is waiting to see if that materializes.

    In the meantime Ty, Ian’s son has set up a Facebook page and hashtag #TySaysNo to get support and expose the corruption against his family. The videos there offer a lot of detail and insight.

    see the facebook page of interest.

    Sad to see Rance has involved his kids in this.
    This one-eyed article seems to forget that foreigners cannot own land assets and have a controlling interest in a Thai registered business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeallyWong
    This one-eyed article seems to forget that foreigners cannot own land assets and have a controlling interest in a Thai registered business.
    Not 100% true, foreigners can own a BOI company outright and get a 50 year lease on the land.
    You don't need to be really big, just doing sometime Thailand wants, bars, house etc are not on the list.

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    So how much is the Minimum Investment involve. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
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    So how much is the Minimum Investment involve. ?
    Not read up on it much, but from what I've read, no minimum investment required, just has to be of benefit to Thailand.
    Met a few farangs over the years, one makes food coloring's, another does software [computers] Thailand has no storage of bars, hotels, real estate guys, not going to get BOI accreditation.

    You can be legal and safe, by the law, but when you start using dodgy lawyers, making false companies etc, your open to be taken to the cleaners.

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    There are many restriction on BOI companies. Before the usual TD chinese whispers get totally out of hand go find out what actually applies here, http://www.boi.go.th/

    Lots and lots of factual information there. I've worked for a few BOI companies in Thailand and it is not as simple as some make out. BOI privileges only apply to certain industries and certain nationalities, there are lots of rules and there is a minimum amount of paid up capital involved,

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    Exactly what I thought. Thanks Bob.

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