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    Are Bar-Owners Pimps???

    I have been having a quite heated discussion on another forum about this subject, it started off about bar-fines then degenerated into whether or not bar-owners are pimps or not, my personal opinion is that if they are employing prostitutes they are, but some of the things a certain bar-owner is saying, trying to defend himself and saying he is not a pimp are just plain hilarious. Anyway what are your guys/gals views, are bar-owners pimps or not.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    you are the one without logic, not me or all the other people on this board who can see things for what they are.

    Bar-owner
    You say this, but nowhere on this board have you made one single attempt to refute my points. You just repeat the same things, proving that you are unable to refute my logic.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    While i understand bar-owners don't like being referred to as pimps and don't want to accept that is what they are, it is a fact.

    Bar-owner
    Nonsense, pure and simple.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    I will try and explain it one last time to you, as you seem to be the only person who still doesn't understand that you are a pimp.

    Bar-owner
    Because I am not, I have shown repeatedly that I have not, and you haven't once provided one scintilla of proof to the contrary.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    You are providing a premises (shooters) for women to solicit sex from punters, this alone makes you a pimp.

    Bar-owner
    False. Thank you for pointing out the central falsehood here: The bar owner is not the one soliciting anything along these lines, the GIRLS are. Very good, give that man a gold star. Pimps solicit sex customers for their girls, so if the girl is doing the soliciting rather than the bar owner, the bar owner is not a pimp by definition. I knew that if I could get you to do anything but repeat a mantra, you would eventually give me a way to show you wrong. Thanks for that.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Also you charge a barfine and you take a % of that whether the bar takes 100 baht or 400 baht is irrelevant if you take 1 baht you are still a pimp.

    Bar-owner
    False, as I have repeatedly shown. You restating this position is not proof of anything except that you are not able to refute any of my points.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Now you will state you time and tested bullshit that a barfine is to compensate the bar for the girls time and not for sex, while this is correct it does not exempt you from being a pimp, as 99.99% of punters are paying a barfine so that they can go and have sex with the girl, hence you are a pimp.

    Bar-owner
    My assertion has been tested and has shown itself to be airtight in that nobody has refuted it. And, if 99.99% of punters expected the girls to clean their rooms, that wouldn't make Shooters a maid service either. It is a bar, period. Customers' expectations have nothing to do with what bar owners do. Sorry.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Now we will move on to soliciting for sex, just to make it absolutely clear to you, that you are a pimp.

    Bar-owner
    False, as I have already shown that BY YOUR OWN REASONING the bar owner is not the one doing the soliciting. (I must admit, that was VERY satisfying.)


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Normaly before paying a barfine the customer will be asking the girl L/T or S/T, how much, do you do bbbj, do you take it up the arse etc. All these conversations are taking place in your bar, the girls employed by you (whether illegaly or legally) are soliciting for sex in your premises, therefore and i know you still won't accept it, YOU ARE A PIMP.

    Bar-owner
    Bullshit. If my customers talk about sports betting that doesn't make me a bookie either. And thanks for again showing that it is not the bar owner who is soliciting anything, the central reason why bar owners are not pimps. I got lucky enough for you to say it once, getting you to say it twice is a real treat.

    Your arguments are incredibly easy to shoot down. I hope your profession does not include logical thinking of this sort.


    QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Now is that logical and easy enough for you to understand, i've tried not to use any long words.

    Bar-owner
    And now that you have proven your own self wrong several times in this post alone, maybe you should go learn some longer words. And a little bit about logic and reasoning wouldn't hurt either.


    This is his reply to one of my posts, he likes to break them up and answer each point individually, i have just copied it as he replied to it.
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    no he is not a pimp.

    but he is probably a sleazeball

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    well the dictionary says he probably aint a pimp but he is pimping.

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    it this like the tv show "pimp your ride' ? I don't understand that either.

    or the "pimp"le on the arse of the camel that is giving me a headjob - the trouble with being at this end is I cannae admire its beauty.

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    My dictionary defines Pimp as soliciting for prostitution.
    The bar owner is not doing the soliciting.

    He is however profiting from immoral earnings.
    I think you should have used a better word than Pimp in your question.

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    intr.v. pimped, pimp·ing, pimps
    To serve as a procurer of prostitutes.


    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source
    Main Entry: pimp
    Pronunciation: 'pimp
    Function: noun
    : one who derives income from the earnings of a prostitute usually by soliciting business —compare


    here you go, you can prove he is a pimp

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    My Dick defines Pimp as one who 1. Acts as an agent for a prostitute 2. Or lives off the earnings of a prostitute. The first is probably not applicable but the 2nd certainly is.
    I mean to all intents and purposes, of course they are pimps, have never regarded them as anything else, unless they operate a bar which doesn't empoy Prostitutes, say Gullivers, plenty of hookers but none that contribute to the earnings of Gullivers.
    There canít be good living where there is not good drinking

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    If the guy has ever been in his bar and tells a mate that some bird is a good shag, then he is a pimp, you got to prove he has said that before though

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    If the bar has a minimum no of barfines etc that the birds are expected to make or they get fined,then the guy is a pimp.

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    He's a pimp. So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    He's a pimp. So?
    Don't get me wrong , i have no problem with the bar-fine system in general, and no problem with bar-owners, without them i would have no-where to consume huge amounts of alcohol, my problem arises when they deny what they are, i only posted 1 reply before, here is a link to the whole thread, currently 8 pages.

    Board Message=


    Wether you can read it or not without registering i have no idea, and i have also posted a link to this thread on their site, hope that is all ok.
    Last edited by buriramboy; 10-07-2007 at 02:33 PM.

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    Nah....you've got to be a member to read the thread.

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    Pimp or not. This qoute is a crock of shit....QUOTE(buriramboy @ Jul 10 2007, 11:19 AM)
    Also you charge a barfine and you take a % of that whether the bar takes 100 baht or 400 baht is irrelevant if you take 1 baht you are still a pimp.

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    Can't see the need for active solicitation or active procurement to enjoy pimp status; providing the premises and the conditions and a tacit understanding for others to solicit ought to be enough.

    Sure a client may wish to barfine a girl for her company or to clean or cook for him, or to give her a night off, and sure some punters go to bars purely for the drink or music or ambience and with little to zero interest in its girls, but these are exceptions...a primary if not the primary function of a bar is as a venue for punters to drink and enjoy the muzak and have a nice time so they'll come back tomorrow, at least part of the attraction being the availability of girls, whereupon if the chemistry is right they pay the owner for a girl's time so that they can negotiate separately with the girl for sex...which makes the girl a prostitute and the owner a pimp.

    Let bar owners and their champions play with words for all they're worth, but a nod nod wink wink thanks for the barfine which pays for her company and compensates me for the short-time loss of her presence at the bar...doesn't smell right to me.

    And yes, so what?

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    If the dude is wearing any purple clothing or has a walking craned adorned with a golden phallic symbol then he's a fully fledged pimp. If he's reading any book written by Iceberg Slim he's a trainee.
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    Degrees of pimpness might well cover things nicely here.

    An owner of a brothel would be actively soliciting sexual services to his customers from his brothel so could be considered 100% pimp.

    A bar owner in the OP that doesnt activley solicite sex but makes a cut of the barfine could be considered 50% pimp.

    A boyfriend who lets his girlfriend sleep with the odd mate as long as they shout him a beer or two could be considered 25% pimp.

    Someone whos married to an inactive/retired prostitute could be considered 'passive pimp'.

    A farmer who lets mates shag his cattle could be considered 'perverted pimp'.

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    I think when the word pimp was made up and the definitions for it put in, there was no Pattaya and streets full of bars that had tonnes of prostitues, maybe they need to redefine the word pimp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness View Post
    If the dude is wearing any purple clothing or has a walking craned adorned with a golden phallic symbol then he's a fully fledged pimp. If he's reading any book written by Iceberg Slim he's a trainee.
    ie: blinged up like mr T ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Wether you can read it or not without registering i have no idea, and i have also posted a link to this thread on their site, hope that is all ok.
    Well, I read it and it's a pretty boring thread. The whole forum is pretty tacky and creepy actually.

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    i dont think you can expect much else from a forum called pattaya secrets.

    my guess is it has more members of the kind that TV is notorious for having in the past

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    I think Buriboy did the same thread on TV about 10 months ago. same argument. same boring thread. it did wind up a few of residents of Pattaya though

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    Or lives off the earnings of a prostitute.
    The term Pimp on the streets back in the US used by the players and wannabe players is someone that earns his living off someone else's back. Whether he be "pimpin' hoes" or he be talking 'bout "pimpin' that mother-fucker stay at norf richmond, man he sell more weed than six motherfuckers" The folks that "be pimpin'" think that all the motherfuckers work straight jobs are just trick-willies bein' pimped by the companies they work for.
    The Cops be pimpin the Bar-owners, The Bar Owners be pimpin the Hoes, and the Hoes? They be pimpin the Johns.
    Does teh dude wear a fur coat? Big gold rimmed sunglasses? Be sportin a fine new ride?
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    Here it is, by JRingo....

    Sex Tourism - Thailand Forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    I think Buriboy did the same thread on TV about 10 months ago. same argument. same boring thread. it did wind up a few of residents of Pattaya though
    i'd have had a hard job as i wasn't a member of TV 10 months ago and seeing as you can't mention prostitution (or fooking anything else for that matter) on TV, i don't think the thread if it ever existed would have lasted 5 minutes. And if there was a similar thread it 100% had nothing to do with me.

    just seen the link above, fcuk me the thread went 49 pages.
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    I think if you took it to the extreme meaning of the word, it could just be called that, but it is so different in Thailand than the west and what we call a brothel in the west, that I think it would be a bit of a stretch to call it pimping.

    For the bar owner, the girls are only really there to get the drinkers or the buyers of drinks in, aren't they?

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