Thread: Are farangs second class citizen in Thailand ?

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Why do you do this, Fluke? Just accept that you were wrong and get on with your life instead of drawing everything out interminably trying to justify yourself - without a leg to stand on __________________

Fluke is Teakdoor's Oscar Pistorius. Neither can see that they're wrong even when it's openly obvious.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

I now know you wear shoes.

No. You only know that he buys them.

As ENT says quite rightly . . . there is no two-tier system in the UK, Germany, Australia, the US etc.... if you have people 'trying it on' in the UK then it is you who has the problem

I assumed - perhaps wrongly - that nobody could be pathetic enough to think that paying 10 pounds instead of 2 pounds for a once-in-a-blue-moon trip to a national park would be sufficient for a group whinge about being second-class citizens. I thought the whine must also extend to builders over-charging, tooth-sucking by mechanics, etc. etc. and that was what my post referred to - obviously enough, I would hardly have been talking about my having to pay more as a foreigner in England. And I hope this doesn't come as a shock to you, but even fine upstanding, God-fearing white builders and mechanics over-charge and, yes, they do so even when their customers are themselves fine upstanding, God-fearing whites. As for over-charging foreigners, I've done it myself in England. Still, if you want to join the circle of self-pitying, hard-done-by, middle-aged white men, feel free - you've certainly come to the right place.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by Fluke

Saying that , when I go to buy shoes , one shop charges 100 Baht more than the other for the same shoes , and when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

So it's an exception to your previously stated rule, then?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Nearly all shops now have prices marked and theres no haggling .

Nearly all shops , Nearly .
Did you not see the word "Nearly" ?

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Still, if you want to join the circle of self-pitying, hard-done-by, middle-aged white men, feel free - you've certainly come to the right place.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Nearly all shops , Nearly .
Did you not see the word "Nearly" ?

Yes, I did.

If you read my post again you'll see it doesn't actually suggest otherwise.

The way you note this exception does pretty much negate your point, though.

Something which previous observers seem to think is a bit of a pattern...

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Originally Posted by Fluke

Saying that , when I go to buy shoes , one shop charges 100 Baht more than the other for the same shoes , and when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

This clown will always go for the most difficult route. Why not just buy at the already discounted price.
Still at least you have risen in my estimation - I now know you wear shoes.

The cheaper shop is usually sold out , probably because they are cheaper .
When they arent available in the cheaper shop. I go a few doors down to the more expensive shop .

Originally Posted by Fluke

The cheaper shop is usually sold out , probably because they are cheaper . When they arent available in the cheaper shop. I go a few doors down to the more expensive shop .

If they're sold out how do you know what shoes you want in the more expensive shop if they didn't have them in the cheaper shop in the first place??

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Fluke

The cheaper shop is usually sold out , probably because they are cheaper . When they arent available in the cheaper shop. I go a few doors down to the more expensive shop .

If they're sold out how do you know what shoes you want in the more expensive shop if they didn't have them in the cheaper shop in the first place??

Because I always buy the same shoes , having size 46 feet and wide feet its difficult to find shoes that fit, so I always get exactly the same shoes , although I do get different colours .

So the cheap shop gives you the price for the shoes which they don't have and you then go up the road to the expensive shop which does have these mysterious (though conveniently widely stocked) shoes and they sell them to you at the same price as the cheap shop. How many dimensions of implausibility are there in that claim? It's completely trivial and totally unimportant but why spin these absurd stories?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Why do you do this, Fluke? Just accept that you were wrong and get on with your life instead of drawing everything out interminably trying to justify yourself - without a leg to stand on __________________

Fluke is Teakdoor's Oscar Pistorius. Neither can see that they're wrong even when it's openly obvious.

Ocken rocker made a claim and I asked him to back it up , he didnt back the claim up, he just accused me of being argumentative .
He thinks that he is always right, but hes really just ignorant .
Whatever he says he thinks that hes right and whoever questions him is an "argumentative troll who must be difficult to live with"

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

So the cheap shop gives you the price for the shoes which they don't have and you then go up the road to the expensive shop which does have these mysterious (though conveniently widely stocked) shoes and they sell them to you at the same price as the cheap shop. How many dimensions of implausibility are there in that claim? It's completely trivial and totally unimportant but why spin these absurd stories?

Cuz Fluke is really Oscar Pistorius.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

So the cheap shop gives you the price for the shoes which they don't have and you then go up the road to the expensive shop which does have these mysterious (though conveniently widely stocked) shoes and they sell them to you at the same price as the cheap shop. How many dimensions of implausibility are there in that claim? It's completely trivial and totally unimportant but why spin these absurd stories?

I know how much the shoes cost .
I found the cheapest shop in town and always go there , but when they are sold out I go along to the more expensive shop , although the more expensive shop sells the shoes for about the same price as other shops , we are only talking about a difference of 100 baht or so , here .

If Thais consider other Thais not to be Thai(isaan,khmer,burmese etc) and treat them like second class i think we can fairly say we are second class.

Originally Posted by Fluke

I know how much the shoes cost

Surely the whole point of this increasingly unlikely sounding excursion is that the price of the shoes varies?

It does seem somewhat odd that you avoid shops that involve haggling by going to shops where the prices are fixed and marked, sometimes to...err...haggle about the price.

Still, great news that these hard to find shoes are stocked by two shops in such close proximity.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Still, great news that these hard to find shoes are stocked by two shops in such close proximity.

May be Fluke should let us in on these wonderful shoes that these two shop stock year after year. I assume 'year after year' cuz a pair of shoes should last a year or more and Fluke "always buys the same shoes".

I go along to the more expensive shop , although the more expensive shop sells the shoes for about the same price as other shops , we are only talking about a difference of 100 baht or so , here .

when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

There seems to be some confusion here.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

I would hardly have been talking about my having to pay more as a foreigner in England.

That, however, was the thread of discussion

Originally Posted by Fluke

He thinks that he is always right,

Good God . . . have you no shame nor an inkling of what irony means.


I'll try again:

Originally Posted by Fluke

You need to have Thai Parents to be a Thai citizen .

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Quite incorrect

Originally Posted by Fluke

I realise that its possible , but very difficult and rare for a felang to get Thai citizenship .
But Thai citizenship is only routinely given to people who have a Thai parent .

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Foreigners who are legally married to a thai nationalwho've worked legally in thailand and paid taxes for 3 years don't even need to apply for Permanent Residence status! They can apply directly for thai citizenship!
That so few foreigner do this says more about the lack of motivation on the part of the foreigner than the way the system is run by the thais. They aren't tryin' to stop you from becoming a thai citizen, you just don't want to invest what it takes to do it.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Im not sure why you singled me out , I have pretty much said the same as you have

That, in a nutshell, is Fluke.

Wrong, wrong, wrong yet will try and try and try to pretend he isn't.

Just admit it, Fluke . . . and get on with your other postings - no-one will think any less of you

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

May be Fluke should let us in on these wonderful shoes that these two shop stock year after year. I assume 'year after year' cuz a pair of shoes should last a year more and Fluke "always buys the same shoes".

The first pair?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Fluke

Felang

What's a Felang?

A Caucasian Foreigner in Thailand .

Oh. Like a farang? So what's the difference then?

^ When a farang and falong mate, they have little baby Felangs.

Originally Posted by ENT

Demanding equality is an ongoing situation in Asia, no matter which country you're in, and if you're in a strong position such as married to a Thai, or have a reliable Thai business partner etc, then life's a lot easier for you. Any self-perceived first or "superior" class status in this weird hierarchy of status seekers is pure self deception.

So don't kid yourself, no-one's equal to a Thai in Thai eyes, they think they're superior to you, and will behave that way unless they're peasants or you really are superior to them.

quite right, some here confuse their financial situation (which is always temporary in these days and ages) with their "rights" and "tenure" in this country.

the fact that we are restricted LEGALLY to do a lot of things just speak volumes about our motives to stay there.

And yes, this is not limited to Thailand. Singapore, China, Malaysia is as fucked up as Thailand.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

^ When a farang and falong mate, they have little baby Felangs.

Ah ha - learn something knew every day.

But where does the "e"come from in felang?

That's actually the subject of a major research project being run by RickThai and Craig Venter (obviously he's the junior partner in that team).

Craig Venter is good but even he could not put life into Fluke.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

^ When a farang and falong mate, they have little baby Felangs.

Called . . . . drumroll . . . Falung Gong!



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