Thread: Are farangs second class citizen in Thailand ?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Surin.....

Yeah we use the same office.

Not so much any more - I moved on to different pastures some time ago.
Yet, know of the office that you speak of - has an interesting history, to be sure.

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though and they were never encouraged to come to Thailand , I was talking about legal immigrants .

Fluke, your ignorance is showing again. I've employed Cambodians before, and can assure you they were here legally. Almost all of the Cambodians working on Koh Chang are here legally.

You have a job getting into samut prakan immigration with all the Burmese and Cambodians being processed outside, it's always the same- scores of them, sometimes hundreds.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

'Third worlders' don't have to go through the shit in the UK that we do in Thailand though, my misses has a Brit passport and therefore exactly the same rights as I do here in the UK, what are the chances of me ever having the same rights as her in Thailand, not that I'd want them but that's besides the point.

interesting observation, but you are quite right

could explain why Thai who move overseas never wish to return to Thailand permanently,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by buriramboy

'Third worlders' don't have to go through the shit in the UK that we do in Thailand though, my misses has a Brit passport and therefore exactly the same rights as I do here in the UK, what are the chances of me ever having the same rights as her in Thailand, not that I'd want them but that's besides the point.

interesting observation, but you are quite right

could explain why Thai who move overseas never wish to return to Thailand permanently,

Don't know if this can be considered a true statement - generally speaking.

An overwhelmingly percentage of Thais that find themselves in residence overseas, for whatever circumstance, don't feel comfortable and become homesick.

I do wish many of you could see beyond your myths, old wives tales, [regarding most everything] and personal dogma.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by buriramboy

'Third worlders' don't have to go through the shit in the UK that we do in Thailand though, my misses has a Brit passport and therefore exactly the same rights as I do here in the UK, what are the chances of me ever having the same rights as her in Thailand, not that I'd want them but that's besides the point.

interesting observation, but you are quite right

could explain why Thai who move overseas never wish to return to Thailand permanently,

Don't know if this can be considered a true statement - generally speaking.

An overwhelmingly percentage of Thais that find themselves in residence overseas, for whatever circumstance, don't feel comfortable and become homesick.

I do wish many of you could see beyond your myths, old wives tales, [regarding most everything] and personal dogma.

There are Thai communities all over the UK, most of the ones I've spoken to are settled and quite happy in the UK and no desire to return to Thailand full time, the availability of Thai food and things like Skype mean no need for home sickness and at the end of the day it's only a 12 hour flight. Although I can imagine it would be different if in some East European shithole with no Thais around and they don't speak the local lingo.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though and they were never encouraged to come to Thailand , I was talking about legal immigrants

So all those Cambodians I see in my local immigration office are illegals?

I stated that Thailand doesnt seek immigrants to live here full time and to become Thai citizens , like the U.K. does
The Cambodians are temporary workers , not immigrants who have been given Thai citizenship .

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though and they were never encouraged to come to Thailand , I was talking about legal immigrants .

Fluke, your ignorance is showing again. I've employed Cambodians before, and can assure you they were here legally. Almost all of the Cambodians working on Koh Chang are here legally.

See reply above .
We are talking about immigrants who have been given full citizenship , NOT temporary workers who are here to fill a void in the labour market .

Originally Posted by Fluke

See reply above . We are talking about immigrants who have been given full citizenship , NOT temporary workers who are here to fill a void in the labour market .

Liar.

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Fluke

You need to have Thai Parents to be a Thai citizen .

Quite incorrect

What is needed to become a Thai citizen then ?
I realise that its possible , but very difficult and rare for a felang to get Thai citizenship .
But Thai citizenship is only routinely given to people who have a Thai parent .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though and they were never encouraged to come to Thailand , I was talking about legal immigrants .

Fluke, your ignorance is showing again. I've employed Cambodians before, and can assure you they were here legally. Almost all of the Cambodians working on Koh Chang are here legally.

See reply above .
We are talking about immigrants who have been given full citizenship , NOT temporary workers who are here to fill a void in the labour market .

That might be what you are talking about now but it wasn't before, to quote you...

"They are here illegally though and they were never encouraged to come to Thailand , I was talking about legal immigrants"

Which I showed you to be totally incorrect in the link I posted for you to peruse at your leisure.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Fluke

See reply above . We are talking about immigrants who have been given full citizenship , NOT temporary workers who are here to fill a void in the labour market .

Liar.

Originally Posted by Fluke

They are here illegally though

I was referring to Cambodians who live here permanently without any documentation .
We are talking about full time immigrants , we arent talking about people here on temporary working Visa s

You really are one argumentative git, are`nt you?

Is it too much for you to say, Sorry, I thought we were discussing citizens only and then move on?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by buriramboy

I'm not whinging, I lived in Thailand for best part of 10 years and were the best 10 years of my life and if wasn't for my daughter would probably still be there now but fuk getting her educated there, but each to their own in that regard. But for a 'third worlder' coming to the UK apart from obtaining the initial visa everything else is straight forward and hassle free en route to obtaining citizenship (and a passport) and thus the same rights as us natives, where as those living in Thailand full time have to go through yearly visa bollox and all that entails for eternity and basically have no rights.

Thailand isnt a Country that encourages or wants immigrants.

Look everybody, read the exchange above .
We are talking about getting citizenship .
We arent talking about temporary working Visas .
You really all need to read the whole thread and try to follow what is being said about what .
People on temporary working Visas are NOT immigrants .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by buriramboy

I'm not whinging, I lived in Thailand for best part of 10 years and were the best 10 years of my life and if wasn't for my daughter would probably still be there now but fuk getting her educated there, but each to their own in that regard. But for a 'third worlder' coming to the UK apart from obtaining the initial visa everything else is straight forward and hassle free en route to obtaining citizenship (and a passport) and thus the same rights as us natives, where as those living in Thailand full time have to go through yearly visa bollox and all that entails for eternity and basically have no rights.

Thailand isnt a Country that encourages or wants immigrants.

Look everybody, read the exchange above .
We are talking about getting citizenship .
We arent talking about temporary working Visas .
You really all need to read the whole thread and try to follow what is being said about what .
People on temporary working Visas are NOT immigrants .

Of course they are immigrants and Thailand encourages them as it needs them, what did that link say is the % of the total workforce that are immigrants??

Do look up what the word immigrant means ................

"a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country"

"A person who comes to a country from another country in order to permanently settle there."

Originally Posted by Fluke

Do look up what the word immigrant means ................

"a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country"

"A person who comes to a country from another country in order to permanently settle there."

You think these Burmese go home?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Fluke

Do look up what the word immigrant means ................

"a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country"

"A person who comes to a country from another country in order to permanently settle there."

You think these Burmese go home?

Which would make them illegal immigrants...........and we are talking about legal immigrants

For a few years all I used to do was get the usual 30 day stamp on arrival then after 28 days go to immigration, show my papers with the Thai parent, and in the box for how many days I'd like to extend, I'd write 365, as I went to London each Xmas anyway. Same cost, no hassle.

Could have written 730 days if I wanted.

To answer the question in the OP;

Yes.

You are not second class citizens, because if you read your visa, it states that you are an " Alien ".

It does not matter because those who are here, do so because they want to. Those who do not, don't.
Like it or lump it. Burmese, Cambodian, westerners all here by choice. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think it's quite clear now, after living so many years in Thailand, that farangs clinching to stay there are nothing more than second class citizen,

Took you long enough to figure it out, "retard"...But you probably have trouble back in Belgium finding solace for your strange proclivities...