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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
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    I disagree, and would view the problems listed as based on socio-economic situations where prostitutes and low wage menial workers from disadvantaged backgrounds gather in cheap brothels selling alcohol. As it would in any similar situation anywhere in the World.
    You are failing to accept that cheap brothels, high class bordellos, ritzy karaokes and other such establishments are a way of male life here and are accessible regardless of society standing. The more money they have, the better quality prostitute they can buy.
    Not failing to accept that at all.

    Go to a higher class of places, Poseidon along Ratchada for example and I'm sure you won't have the Thai customers attacking you.


    With regard to the OP topic, Thai Males + Farang males + Thai Women + Alcohol = problems.
    This is the same in any country in the World. Gangs of foreign males with more money come in and start taking the other guy's women. Add alcohol = problems.

    Given that this is happening in a disadvantaged area with lowly paid locals from a disadvantaged background and the problem will be the same the World over.

    I can only apologize and move on if people can't see that.

    All the best with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    Go to a higher class of places, Poseidon along Ratchada for example and I'm sure you won't have the Thai customers attacking you.
    Not that I or another random farang would be invited into their private Karaoke suite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    I can only apologize and move on if people can't see that.
    I feel most of the people that have responded to your claims have experiences, both good and bad with Thai males.

    Your snide sarcasm and insinuations have torpedoed your arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Thailand ranks close to the world-top in violent crime rates, and that is in all rungs of society, it tells a clear history and alcohol and drugs are very often the catalyst.
    This from a beer swilling Norseman whose ancestors raped and pillaged their way across half the world, feeding mushies to reindeer to filter out the poison so you can drink the piss and get high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    Coming to live in Thailand and needing to get away from the Thais, unwilling to even venture into a premises with them. (unless they're female and selling themselves). Says a lot.
    It does say a lot. Mainly that generally speaking Thai 'men' are scumbag pieces of shit.
    There are rare exceptions but they're rare...

    ...ones who have lived in and gone to school in the West are generally more palatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    Go to a higher class of places, Poseidon along Ratchada for example and I'm sure you won't have the Thai customers attacking you.
    Not that I or another random farang would be invited into their private Karaoke suite.
    I'm sure you got the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    I can only apologize and move on if people can't see that.
    I feel most of the people that have responded to your claims have experiences, both good and bad with Thai males.

    Your snide sarcasm and insinuations have torpedoed your arguments.
    No snide sarcasm and insinuations.

    You clearly agree with the point that almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit'.

    I don't.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

    All the best with your view of the World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    ...ones who have lived in and gone to school in the West are generally more palatable.
    As are foreigners who've grown up here, to Thais. It's a funny old World isn't it. How understanding a foreigner's culture through immersion can make you get on better together.

    Personally I find that Thais who spent years abroad have a much more willingness to partake and respect the other's culture than vice versa. You see so many here for years and years complaining about stupid this, and stupid that, without actually understanding what they're talking about despite years and years of opportunity to learn about it all. Funny old World, as I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Thailand ranks close to the world-top in violent crime rates, and that is in all rungs of society, it tells a clear history and alcohol and drugs are very often the catalyst.
    This from a beer swilling Norseman whose ancestors raped and pillaged their way across half the world, feeding mushies to reindeer to filter out the poison so you can drink the piss and get high
    They did have a great time didn't they. No entitled, snivelling ball-less metro-slime to whine at them ad naseum.

    No little paranoid worms from governments sitting at screens gathering their data.

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    You clearly agree with the point that almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit' (Bars with natives).
    Where have I quoted that phrase ?

    I have stated that Thai males generally cannot hold excessive amounts of alcohol and when drunk can become quite violent.

    I have also stated that Thai males when drunk may take exception to farangs when they are with Thai women in a bar environment.

    I have seen it happen and advise others to avoid such situations.

    No more, no less so be careful putting your words into other's mouths.

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    Is this Abelour back for another go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
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    You clearly agree with the point that almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit' (Bars with natives).
    Where have I quoted that phrase ?
    Post 37.

    https://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lou...ml#post2501733

    I don't agree that most of them are, and you won't be able to convince me otherwise. So might as well leave it there. As I said, all the best with your views.
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    I don't think it is good business sense for the bars aimed at the foreigner crowd that have girls in there to entertain to allow the girls Thai boyfriends in there on a session.

    There was only one girl and 1 thai guy being stupid twats. They thought they could have a go at us because they were both drunk or high and they had other Thais there to back them up. If me or my mate had hit the guy when he was in our face asking if we had a problem then it could have escalated badly. It did get pulled apart quite quickly by most of the other girls if I remember rightly... I did have my hand on the twats throat so he might have thought he lost a bit of face there.

    The situation calmed down but there were phone calls being made as if they wanted more backup and the idiot was pretending to have a gun at one point outside the bar. There were about 5 other Thai guys there so defusing the situation was the best thing to do.

    We retired to the relative safety of the bar next door and gave it more time to fizzle out. I don't want to be in a situation like that again and will avoid that bar because of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    and you won't be able to convince me otherwise
    So remain uneducated.

    I don't know how many times my wife and I have to run Thai men to hospital after a drunken fight on the builder's camp site. In the end we banned alcohol and as that didn't work took down the camp.

    When sober lovely people, when drunk, and it doesn't take much, they are a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    and you won't be able to convince me otherwise
    So remain uneducated.

    I don't know how many times my wife and I have to run Thai men to hospital after a drunken fight on the builder's camp site. In the end we banned alcohol and as that didn't work took down the camp.

    When sober lovely people, when drunk, and it doesn't take much, they are a nightmare.
    Neutral..
    Perhaps the given [or vacancy of] experiences and exposures shape one's perspective.

    And then every situation and instance will differ from the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I have also stated that Thai males when drunk may take exception to farangs when they are with Thai women in a bar environment.
    Sure, but like has been pointed out it's the same anywhere. Well, if some Asian dude was in an Aussie pub the males wouldn't get to edgy, but a 7' tall nigga, that's another story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
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    and you won't be able to convince me otherwise
    So remain uneducated.

    I don't know how many times my wife and I have to run Thai men to hospital after a drunken fight on the builder's camp site.
    Go to any builder's camp sites in the world where it is full of housed, uneducated men from disadvantaged backgrounds and I am sure you will see the same problems. Drunken fights, gambling, gangs and mafiaism.

    Be it gypsy sites in the UK, Eastern Europeans in Europe, or guys from the Ghettos in America.

    You are looking at it from the point of view that it is in Thailand, they are Thais, so it is because they are Thais. Look at the wider World with the same socio-economic and background issues and you will see the same. House a lot of disadvantaged, uneducated working class poor men together while doing hard work without respite, add alcohol and it will be the same.

    You obviously think differently, so as I said, good look with your viewpoint.

    Going back a century to when the Irish were building America in builder's camps, wonder how many of them were carted off due to alcohol and fighting. Russian builder's camps must be a joy to experience, show up there and start taking the local ladies and see how you get on. Yeah... it's because they are Thais.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa View Post
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    and you won't be able to convince me otherwise
    So remain uneducated.

    I don't know how many times my wife and I have to run Thai men to hospital after a drunken fight on the builder's camp site.
    Go to any builder's camp sites in the world where it is full of housed, uneducated men from disadvantaged backgrounds and I am sure you will see the same problems. Drunken fights, gambling, gangs and mafiaism.

    Be it gypsy sites in the UK, Eastern Europeans in Europe, or guys from the Ghettos in America.

    You are looking at it from the point of view that it is in Thailand, they are Thais, so it is because they are Thais. Look at the wider World with the same socio-economic and background issues and you will see the same. House a lot of disadvantaged, uneducated working class poor men together while doing hard work without respite, add alcohol and it will be the same.

    You obviously think differently, so as I said, good look with your viewpoint.

    Going back a century to when the Irish were building America in builder's camps, wonder how many of them were carted off due to alcohol and fighting. Russian builder's camps must be a joy to experience, show up there and start taking the local ladies and see how you get on. Yeah... it's because they are Thais.

    On the news thread about Troy Pilkington that was hacked to death by a taxi driver, you said:


    https://teakdoor.com/2501957-post36.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa View Post
    ^ yeah, I wonder how long Troy was here for.

    Let it be a warning for the noobs of what Thais are capable of when they get mad. Especially if it is a Westerner wronging and disrespecting them.
    So, you recognise and admit that Thais can be dangerous when they perceive that they have been wronged.
    That taxi driver was presumably sober when he hacked an older man to death over feck all.
    Don't you think that the potential for violence is even more likely when they are pissed up?

    You have that perception and you sling insulting accusations at people for sensibly exercising caution with groups of drunk Thai males.

    You sir, are an arse. Good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neep View Post
    You have that perception and you sling insulting accusations at people for sensibly exercising caution with groups of drunk Thai males.
    Nope.

    Anything I might be perceived as slinging was at people stating and agreeing that almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit' after having a drink.

    As pointed out one just has to look at the socio-economic background of the people they are judging everyone on, and then compare it to the same World wide and you will see the same.

    So, you recognise and admit that Thais can be dangerous when they perceive that they have been wronged.
    Of course. What has that got to do with the point of take yourself out of the prostitute bars and disadvantaged areas and you might be surprised at the low numbers of 'scumbag pieces of shit' that you are socializing with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa
    almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit' after having a drink.
    I'd say that number's about right before the piss kicks in.

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    So why did you move here?

    Nothing to do with your Av I suppose.

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    Some of my best friends are drunken Thais...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa View Post
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    You have that perception and you sling insulting accusations at people for sensibly exercising caution with groups of drunk Thai males.
    Nope.

    Anything I might be perceived as slinging was at people stating and agreeing that almost 50% of the population are 'scumbag pieces of shit' after having a drink.

    As pointed out one just has to look at the socio-economic background of the people they are judging everyone on, and then compare it to the same World wide and you will see the same.

    So, you recognise and admit that Thais can be dangerous when they perceive that they have been wronged.
    Of course. What has that got to do with the point of take yourself out of the prostitute bars and disadvantaged areas and you might be surprised at the low numbers of 'scumbag pieces of shit' that you are socializing with?
    I did not say that 50% of Thais are scum bags, i said on the whole they were lovely people but the thai males are best avoided when they have been drinking.

    How do you know what socio-economic group the thai blokes in the bar were? They certainly weren't off to a meeting with the prime minister when they left, but you are assuming alot. They may have been well off by local standards, as there are plenty of rich thais around here also.

    You should note that the quote of yours i provided does not specify any specific socio economic group. You generalised by saying "Let it be a warning for the noobs of what Thais are capable of when they get mad".
    I agree with your statement. They do seem to be capable of very violent acts for perceived slights but this isn't limited to people from disadvantaged backgrounds.

    For balance, i would also be wary of going into a pub full of drunk football hooligans, or any bar where i did not fit in. If anything kicks off it could well be you that gets it, simply because you are not part of the group.

    Also, you are saying that i socialise with scumbag pieces of shit when i do not. I was out socialising with my friends in a bar, and they do not deserve to be insulted by you or anyone else for simply going out for a drink.

    Its not easy to avoid bars with prostitutes in this country, particularly in Pattaya, but it is somewhat easier to avoid groups of drunk thai men. That is what i will continue to do.

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    'You' was used in a general term, I should have used 'one' instead in order to not offend but didn't think it would be taken literally as 'you'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neep View Post
    I did not say that 50% of Thais are scum bags
    No, but some people go to Thai building site camps where they're drinking and judge all of the society on what they see there. Like it's going to be any different in any other building site camp full of disadvantaged migrant workers anywhere in the World.

    Odd, but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noosa View Post
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    I did not say that 50% of Thais are scum bags
    No, but some people go to Thai building site camps where they're drinking and judge all of the society on what they see there. Like it's going to be any different in any other building site camp full of disadvantaged migrant workers anywhere in the World.

    Odd, but there you go.
    Perhaps there are people that do that, but you should note that the individual that stated that 50% of Thais were scumbags is not the same individual that mentioned drink related violence on building site camps.

    Also, i think if you asked the individual that stated that 50% are scum they might tell you that their opinion was formed through experience and also from reading/watching the news/media as well as hearing about things from people. They might also say that the opinion is backed up by the worrying statistics of violent crimes carried out seemingly routinely in this country. It is a violent country, and even without looking i would hazard a guess that most of the violent crime is perpetrated by males.

    They might say that violent crime is so prevalent here due to poor education, drug and alcohol abuse, endemic corruption, the promise of reincarnation or simply down to face. Whatever the reasons for it, the crimes are committed and someone has to be a victim.

    The point is, whether a building site in another country is violent is neither here nor there. This thread is about the risk of violence you face when in the vicinity of drunk Thai men in Thailand. Ignore that risk at your peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neep View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neep View Post
    I did not say that 50% of Thais are scum bags
    No, but some people go to Thai building site camps where they're drinking and judge all of the society on what they see there. Like it's going to be any different in any other building site camp full of disadvantaged migrant workers anywhere in the World.

    Odd, but there you go.
    Perhaps there are people that do that, but you should note that the individual that stated that 50% of Thais were scumbags is not the same individual that mentioned drink related violence on building site camps.
    The same person quoted and agreed with it stating when there was drink involved.


    As said, everyone is allowed their personal opinions. It's a bit sad though when people state their opinion on an entire populace based on what they see in building sites and brothels. But there you go.


    No need to get upset with those of us who don't agree.

    All the best, and have a good night.

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