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    What Thailand needs is.........

    Well my adopted country appears to be heading towards relegation from the Third World and may have difficulty staying in the 4th if the present situation continues.
    This and the thread about indebted Thai farmers threatening to leave Thailand if the government didn't bail them out got me to thinking.
    what will be needed for the future of Thailand to be brighter.
    i think it will take drastic action of some type.

    What do the members think?

    My initial suggestion is to evict all Thail males from Thailand.

    This will certainly increase GDP per capita and probably will have only a small impact on gross GDP.
    Granted it may not do much for the booze industry but think of the savings in health costs

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    Thailand is a country that is full of auditory and kinesthetic thinkers whose world view is limited in space by about 100 meters and in time by about 24 hours. What they need is to start developing visual thinkers who can contemplate consequences, plan ahead and get out of the "me first/me only" thought modes in which most of them are chronically stuck.

    It'll never happen, but a good first step would be to ban school uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward View Post

    It'll never happen, but a good first step would be to ban school uniforms.
    they wear school uniforms here even up to 18 years old at schools/further education centres and it doesnt seem to have done any damage.

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    the education system is horrible. last week we had one of our thai friends daughter staying with us and although she is 13 and supposedly doing well in school she was miles behind my 10 year old son who is doing absolutely bloody crap at school according to singapore standards

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    The "school uniform" comment was meant to be a sarcastic slap at the school system which, as you point out, is crap. One reason it's crap is that no thinking is required. Losing the uniform might be a way to get a kid to start thinking as he or she rolls out of bed in the morning.

    But, thinking about this again, maybe Thailand doesn't need anything. Perish the thought, but perhaps they already have exactly what they want.

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    I will have to agree with AC on some of his thinking, but I do not think that Thai will ever be able to really think, no way can someone that is born brain dead ever amount to a tinkers damn at thinking.
    We [my wife] got a crew in here to build her a solid concrete and block ornamental fence across the front, they got here at 0800 and now they have done nothing but take down some chain link and have stopped for lunch or at least to eat and it is 0900, I had to come in before I blow a gasket and kill a couple of the bastards.
    I had 40 Thai welders at Basra Iraq and they were all certified pipe and they could weld OK, but as long as thats all they had to do then they were alright, but to cut the piles at angles to go from batter to vertical at the top of the jackets was just a cluster fuck so I had to do most of that myself.
    I had them cut a bunch of 1 inch T-1 steel wedges from a full 4X8 plate of steel and they only used about half of the plate, and when they finished, so instead of putting the left over steel back in the rack they threw the other 1/2 plate over the side into the ocean,, and here we are thousands of miles from a steel mill to buy more plate for next time.

    But what AC said is very true and thats the problem with everything done here from driving to sweeping the floors, Me first and fuck you cause I can't even see you.

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    governent policies that welcome 'foreign talent' to work in thailand would be a good idea too if the country really wants to get anywhere.

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    My students are always given lots of homework from their respective schools.
    More often than not, this involves copying reems of paper that they already have into their notebooks.

    One of them, a 17 year old at one of the better rspected schools up here was writing 30 examples of the following structure....

    "I come early, lest my teacher should get angry"

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    The problem with that, Slim, is the Thais have been told time and again that they don't need foreigners and their skills, the whole self-sustaining theory is to blame for the lack of professionalism in many sectors of he economy.

    Singapore is a great example of how using the best skill-set available works to a country's benefit - - - while teaching the local population.
    Singaporean managers are now sought-after, not only at home but also outside of Singapore . . . how many recruitment firms get Thai managers to move overseas? (Though Singaporeans are a bit too unimaginative for my liking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimboyfat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward View Post

    It'll never happen, but a good first step would be to ban school uniforms.
    they wear school uniforms here even up to 18 years old at schools/further education centres and it doesnt seem to have done any damage.
    here in Los, they wear uniforms until they finish uni. and regardless of level of education once into some job, be it security guard, bank, dept. store, government and just about any other salaried position, they wear whatever the organization tells them to. They even get buried in their uniform ... and recently a new trend started: the yeller chemise

    so let me contribute to the general hubris a yeller smiley

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    Education is the cure, but as many people have often pointed out, it's not in the interests of any Thai government to have an education population.

    Most of the momentum behind education here seems to come from foreigners (like everything else) who require certain types for their particular workplace as well as foreign school teachers who are more able and more caring than their Thai counterparts.

    This will never be enough, and if it wasn't for the fact that Thais are generally stupid, we'd not have anyone to lord it over or to complain about.

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    I teach a lot of geography.
    It's not part of my job description, but they are fascinated by the idea of the outside world.
    Just look at their little confused faces when you tell them England is an itsy bitsy country that would fit into Issan and that Australia does indeed have white people but it isn't in Europe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    Australia does indeed have white people but it isn't in Europe....
    Has this news reached Queensland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The problem with that, Slim, is the Thais have been told time and again that they don't need foreigners and their skills, the whole self-sustaining theory is to blame for the lack of professionalism in many sectors of he economy.
    well its about time someone told them something different before they get really left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    but I do not think that Thai will ever be able to really think, no way can someone that is born brain dead ever amount to a tinkers damn at thinking.
    You are being overly cynical. Thais are born no more stupid than anyone else - BUT the social system that exists here (and elsewhere in the East) does not easily enable people to move outside of their class structure i.e. rice farmers do not expect to be anything other than rice farmers or the equivalent, if you want to get on here it is best to choose your parents carefully.

    Thus the average Thai is actively discouraged from questioning either his position in society or those who are above him in the hierarchy.

    If workers are slow remember that labour is cheap, so efficiency and speed are neither required nor desirable.

    I have some contract painters doing my house at the moment and yes they are maddeningly slow - but I was shocked this morning to find that one of them, a 25 year old man, is only being paid 120B a day. DD has gone on record as saying that Thais are lazy and that paying them more just encourages them to work less, that maybe, but I am damned sure I wouldn't be busiting a gut to get the job done on that money.

    The above is not unique to Thailand unfortunately, it exists to a lesser extent in the UK whether people are prepared to admit it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward View Post
    The "school uniform" comment was meant to be a sarcastic slap at the school system which, as you point out, is crap. One reason it's crap is that no thinking is required. Losing the uniform might be a way to get a kid to start thinking as he or she rolls out of bed in the morning.

    But, thinking about this again, maybe Thailand doesn't need anything. Perish the thought, but perhaps they already have exactly what they want.
    Hmmm not such a rediculous idea actually. It would teach the youngsters to make a decision. Albeit maybe over-ruled by mom it would start the decision making process at an early age, including logic, future impact etc. etc.

    Short story: After retiring from the USAF one of the earliest changes was deciding on what to wear every morning. Now, before you laugh your ass off at that statement, stop and think. I had been wearing fatigues or dress uniforms every day for 20+ years when I went to work. Always a blue belt and always black socks and always white underwear. The colors kaki or blue were decided by the type of uniformt to be worn that day. Kaki for work work and blue (dress) for office/official stuff.

    On my first day as a professional in Hi tech, I had the following decisions to make, Jacket sytle/color, shirt color, tie, brown or black shoes, socks and on and on. Some folks have trouble with this initially. The decision had always been made FOR them.

    AC the uniform idea would be #1 on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gibbon
    It would teach the youngsters to make a decision.
    It would turn school into a fashion parade with the richest parents winning - school uniform is a good idea.

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    I was about to say the same Dougal.
    There are plenty of reasons to retain school uniform, that is the main one.

    Besides, most of the comprehensive schools in the UK have school uniforms.
    I think it's the least of their worries personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Gibbon
    It would teach the youngsters to make a decision.
    It would turn school into a fashion parade with the richest parents winning - school uniform is a good idea.
    I agree with that also.

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    OK, education is number one on the list.

    Number two on my list would be to employ/promote on ability
    Having rich parents bribing they kids into a good job is ubiquitous.

    Some thais are intelligent but they don't get the jobs they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    school uniform is a good idea
    Just as I figured. Everyone professes love for freedom and liberty until they dream up the slightest most innocuous reason for letting the government take it away.

    School uniforms simply absolve parents from their obligation to teach their kids responsibility and a sense of values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward
    School uniforms simply absolve parents from their obligation to teach their kids responsibility and a sense of values.
    Nonsense. It takes away the need to worry about having the best clothes so that students can concentrate on important things like studying. It also creates an identity and a common bond.

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    Let's face it, if the country had to improve, we would be the first to be kicked out. 90% of the farangs living in this country are frauds, slackers, unemployed, underachievers living as teachers, commission based property agents etc... No talents are being attracted to this country, unless you are into whoring and cheap lifestyle. Not much to offer beyond that.

    Excellent point Douglas, you got it exactly

    As for the uniform, I am quite happy with the Uni girls wearing uniforms, don't change anything, or else Thailand would be a more boring place.
    Last edited by Butterfly; 10-04-2007 at 12:52 PM.

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    but I do not think that Thai will ever be able to really think, no way can someone that is born brain dead ever amount to a tinkers damn at thinking.
    You are being overly cynical. Thais are born no more stupid than anyone else - BUT the social system that exists here (and elsewhere in the East) does not easily enable people to move outside of their class structure i.e. rice farmers do not expect to be anything other than rice farmers or the equivalent, if you want to get on here it is best to choose your parents carefully.

    Thus the average Thai is actively discouraged from questioning either his position in society or those who are above him in the hierarchy.

    If workers are slow remember that labour is cheap, so efficiency and speed are neither required nor desirable.

    I have some contract painters doing my house at the moment and yes they are maddeningly slow - but I was shocked this morning to find that one of them, a 25 year old man, is only being paid 120B a day. DD has gone on record as saying that Thais are lazy and that paying them more just encourages them to work less, that maybe, but I am damned sure I wouldn't be busiting a gut to get the job done on that money.

    The above is not unique to Thailand unfortunately, it exists to a lesser extent in the UK whether people are prepared to admit it or not.
    After all that has been said, if Thais would summon up the courage & energy to read books, a whole new world awaits them. Many, though not all, prefer a devious way to make money over doing an honest day's work.

    I came from poor stock, with a step-Dad who told me how useless I was & that I'd never be successful. It was only after I'd begun establishing my own life that he went back to school to complete his studies.

    I have actively fought against this curse my whole life, so why can't some Thais, not all, do the same? We cannot carry on excusing their laziness & devious ways of skirting around the two dominant 4-letter swear-words:

    HARD WORK !!!

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    Hmmm so a good education is subject to the clothes students wear? How about changing that just a little and laying some responsibility on the parents and teachers to teach that uniforms/clothing does not an education make?

    Down the street from me is a Thai school that is miserably failing its population. Yet, they all were nice little unis with the girls wearing black shoes and the boys brown. NONE of these kids has two satang extra to spend on flash clothing. In fact the school iniform is probably more of a test of the parents financial situation than a benefit to the children.

    Given the fact they could wear what they wanted they probably would opt for flip flops or no shoes at all. Next time your near a primary school take a look at the kids on the playground. Rubbish shoes, broken down at the back and socks that have a shit load of holes in them... Ya, unis make for a better education.... NOT

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