Random Drug Testing. Would you submit?

**Loy Toy** · 09-01-2013, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

do you get to watch the girls pee too? just like an outdoor porn movie

Maybe in Japan Doc.

I have been told there will be portable cubicles placed where possible.

Anyway most of these somewhat upmarket entertainment venues which they are targeting have pretty good toilet facilities anyway.

And with regard to the test, if you refuse then you may be arrested and taken away to have bodily fluids extracted by other means.

**Rural Surin** · 09-01-2013, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

And with regard to the test, if you refuse then you may be arrested and taken away to have bodily fluids extracted by other means.

Charming.

**Loy Toy** · 09-01-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Charming.

As far as I know that is how it happens in the west if you refuse the on-the-spot drug test.

And I was told that a blood test is no more accurate then a urine or saliva test.

**Gravesend Dave** · 09-01-2013, 08:36 PM

Sure they already do random testing as one of the boys from the village came unstuck in Pattaya
Heard he done about three months,then his mum went down and bailed him out.

Not touched any drugs for about 17/18 years,if you play with them here your a mug!

Piss in the pot? yes my pleasure sir.

**chassamui** · 09-01-2013, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by draco888

can you work with me developing little sealed containers of drug free piss?

They are not interested in menopausal old women doing home made trials on Viagra.

**hazz** · 09-01-2013, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

There has been reports of mass random drug testing going down in many entertainment areas with up to 400 people being tested at any one time including foreigners here in Pattaya.

We all have probably been stopped at the many drink drive stations but I have never been asked to urinate in a little plastic jar when on foot and out and about in Thailand.

I was asked today by a doctor currently working on a new local product about whether I would object to being tested and more importantly would I consider it an invasion of my privacy.

I honestly said it would not worry me as I don't take drugs but advised this doctor he may have problems convincing others to do so.

Where better to ask this question than right here on Teakdoor.

What would you do if you were handed a surgical bag, asked to sign and open the bag, urinate in the container, close it and sign and date the outer label?

Thanks in advance for your honest response.

This is a typical test container currently being used in Australia.

My drug use has been limited to occasional alcohol use and habitual caffeine use; so consequences of taking such a test would not be a matter of concern.

As for how I would feel about taking it. if the circumstances would justify a alcohol test, I am driving etc, I would be annoyed by the inconvenience but beyond that I would have no objections.

If I were wondering down the street minding own business and got asked then I would see that as a intrusion, If its the law, I will comply, but I am likely to be politely annoying and disruptive. if its not the law, then f*ck off

as for work, if effects of drug use could create a liability for the company, the test was a measurement of impairment to do the job whilst at work and it was carried out in a non discriminatory way that was actually designed to succeffully deal with the companies liabilities. I would have no objection otherwise I will simply start looking for somewhere else to work and leave... as I have done in the past.

As for the design, the cup has to be yellow and I would suggest that you follow that old Thai tradition of putting your photo on the product, perhaps the bottom of the cup

I can see the attractiveness of random drug testing in entertainment districts, and assuming that they will be fining rather than murdering those who show up positive a great improvement over the last war on drugs.
But to be honest I would have thought that random testing in schools where I understand amphetamins are a serious issue and testing commercial drivers where the same issue persists might be of much greater social benefit than whats being suggested.

out of curiosity why are they not choosing to use saliver based testing? It probably costs more($7), but if you get the fines for a positive test right it would be self financing and avoids many of the privicy, donor sample issues. its one thing to use someone else's urine in a cup another to put their gob in your mouth!

**Eliminator** · 09-01-2013, 09:54 PM

Hazz has got it right. I don't do drugs so it's really no problem for me anyway.

**Rural Surin** · 09-01-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Eliminator

Hazz has got it right. I don't do drugs so it's really no problem for me anyway.

I believe you [and most others] are missing the principle.

This activity has nothing to do with drugs or drug use.

It's been so easy to convince for some time now.
Considering what they have to work with.

**Malicious** · 09-01-2013, 10:19 PM

^??????

**Dillinger** · 09-01-2013, 10:19 PM

Good question hazz. Even though these urine kits might have a 99.9 pc detection rate. The oral test will always find more druggies.

Whats to stop me concealing a jar of clean piss down my pants ?

At least with the oral test no privacy is needed

**Gravesend Dave** · 09-01-2013, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Eliminator

Hazz has got it right. I don't do drugs so it's really no problem for me anyway.

I believe you [and most others] are missing the principle.

This activity has nothing to do with drugs or drug use.

It's been so easy to convince for some time now.
Considering what they have to work with.

You sure about that Surin

Why did a lad from the village get banged up for a positive test on yar ba?

**Loy Toy** · 09-01-2013, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Whats to stop me concealing a jar of clean piss down my pants ?

When I was introduced to this project I was told about masking agents used such as mouth wash, alcohol (for saliva testing) and petroleum jellies being used to cover the test strips before urination takes place.

Some information about both tests.

Urine test and Saliva test are conducted to know the presence of drug substances in body. These two tests have their own advantages and disadvantages. Collection of sample is main difference among various drug tests.

Collection of sample:
The main advantage of saliva-Drug test is least invasiveness in terms of privacy while collecting sample and when compared to other drug tests.

Chances of adulteration:
There are less chances to adulterate in saliva-Drug test when compared to urine drug test. It is possible to collect the sample under supervision, in saliva drug test. So in this way, chances can be minimized for tampering the sample and this is may not possible in urine drug test. Anyway, it cannot be said that saliva drug test is not completely free from adulteration.

Detection Period:
In saliva-Drug test, the detection period of drug abuse is shorter when compared to urine drug test. Detection period is approximately 20 hours to 1 day in saliva-Drug test and it can be around 3 days in urine drug test.

Results’ accuracy:
Urine drug test results’ accuracy rate is higher than saliva-Drug test result accuracy. However, in both tests, the risk of adulteration is high.

Drug test’s cost:
When you compare two drug tests then the cost of urine drug test is lower than saliva-Drug test. But, saliva-Drug test’s cost is slightly higher than urine drug test. According to quality, the cost of saliva drug test varies.

There are some advantages and disadvantages of both the tests. So, according to the situation, you can choose the drug test which is suitable for you.

**SEA Traveler** · 09-01-2013, 11:01 PM

I agree with Mid the situation needs defines as I'd need to know if the urine test was voluntary, what if any the circumstances were for declining the "voluntary" test, what the test results were to be used for, why I am being asked or selected to take the test, etc.

Personally, I don't and wouldn't have any positive results for drugs if the tests were conducted in an untempered environment. But I really would not want to trust the local BIB or their system if in fact the results could be used against me in any way, shape or form.

Now, I am a firm believer in the testing of blood and urine for drugs and alcohol at vehicular check points, at the scene of an accident, or in a situation where one was stopped for irrational behavior. In the same respect, drug and alcohol testing of those personnel employed in a company where random drug testing is the policy of the company, in a position of public trust, or in a position that might endanger one's self or the public is something that I am in favor of. Just as important is to implement policy that requires the alcohol and drug testing of personnel on public assistance and unemployment.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 09-01-2013, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Whats to stop me concealing a jar of clean piss down my pants ?

A large stash of weed?

That and ball swing about ability obviously.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 09-01-2013, 11:25 PM

Grass
Copper
Snitch

That is what you have to call yourself if you're in this game.

**hazz** · 10-01-2013, 12:20 AM

tenderprenure i belive is the technical term, though i imagine that loy toy has someone else taking care of making the tea.

**Loy Toy** · 10-01-2013, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by hazz

i imagine that loy toy has someone else taking care of making the tea.

Are you a milk in the cup before pouring your tea type of bloke or a pour tea first and then add a dash of milk type of bloke?

**hazz** · 10-01-2013, 11:05 AM

personally i think milk, like tea money, is not something that should be associated with tea. a strange view of life, but one i am happy to stick with. you don't add milk to red wine before serving it, so why tea?

**kmart** · 10-01-2013, 11:31 AM

Necessary for work, but just another tool (pardon the pun) for extortion in the hands of the BiB. They truly do know the monetary price of everything to 3 decimal places, and actual value of Sweet FA.
The piss-testers / takers in Banchang routinely test the bar girls that they sold the drugs to in the first place, just to extort even more money from the bar-owners.

**Loy Toy** · 10-01-2013, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by kmart

Necessary for work, but just another tool (pardon the pun) for extortion in the hands of the BiB.

I really believe the BIB, or more directly the government are serious this time.

Blazing away in slums and ghettos killing people did little to stem the flow of drugs so why not go after the addicts and uses.

I guess they believe if they bust users this may shut down supply opportunities not to mention the fact that upon interrogation these users may offer information about suppliers and dealers.

From what I can gather these drug testing modules are not cheap so transparent return on investment will be a major priority.

**zippy** · 10-01-2013, 11:47 AM

Just curious if anyone can tell me, can they legally ask you to provide a sample? I know here in Canada, they cant, unless you are allready arrested for something else.

**Loy Toy** · 10-01-2013, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by zippy

Just curious if anyone can tell me, can they legally ask you to provide a sample?

There seems to be some grey area here as I cannot seem to find any information about the exact law on the internet.

I have also been told before a person provides a urine sample they are searched for drugs and or masking agents which can affect proper testing.

Most doctors at the scene of the testing can visually determine whether a person has taken drugs or not just by looking at their eyes.

Those that are clearly drugged up to the left, those that are obviously straight to the right.

**hazz** · 10-01-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by kmart

Necessary for work, but just another tool (pardon the pun) for extortion in the hands of the BiB.

I really believe the BIB, or more directly the government are serious this time.

Blazing away in slums and ghettos killing people did little to stem the flow of drugs so why not go after the addicts and uses.

I guess they believe if they bust users this may shut down supply opportunities not to mention the fact that upon interrogation these users may offer information about suppliers and dealers.

From what I can gather these drug testing modules are not cheap so transparent return on investment will be a major priority.

the idea of a campaign against consumers of drugs is an interestuing approch that hasn't ever been tried in a systematic way. A point a lot of lantin and south american countries have pointed out to the united states... given the pressure that the US put on these countries to be allowed in to so battle with the production end. It is a little hypercritical given the relitive lack of effort then put into denting domestic demand.

I suspect that one reason for this is the issue of what to do with the users that you catch. for Thailand to fine or murder them would be logistically simply. imprisonment or drug rehabilitation I cannot really see how they could do that given the numbers of people they need to catch to give the impression that if you do take drugs you will probably get caught.

Personally I suspect that this is all about being seen to do something about drugs, perhaps without the negative publicity of murders of the first war of drugs. I think if they were serious about an effective evidence based approach they would concentrate on professional drivers and school kids when meth does its worst harm. but if the motivation is tea money, the entrainment districts are probably the best.

**draco888** · 10-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

can you work with me developing little sealed containers of drug free piss?

They are not interested in menopausal old women doing home made trials on Viagra.

I don't think they need to use piss tests to determine drug use when coherent English is beyond posters such as this. Chassy take your head out of your ass for once, admit you are a monotone shit promoter and consumer.

**draco888** · 10-01-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by kmart

Necessary for work, but just another tool (pardon the pun) for extortion in the hands of the BiB.

Blazing away in slums and ghettos killing people did little to stem the flow of drugs so why not go after the addicts and uses.

After all targeting users has worked in every other case throughout the world right?

demand simply falls away and problem solved....

They must think they are truly special.

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