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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    With the heavy burden of proof necessary to gain convictions
    As it should be. Child abuse is an incredibly serious allegation, and one that any business or social rival could use with extreme effect.

    The bar should be placed high. If that's an unintended byproduct of the moral panic that people have created, hard luck, they should have thought of it. No sensible media outlet is going to go after high profile living people - and why should they, it is a police job.

    I wonder if Lord McAlpine is going to sue the gent. He would certainly win.

    Hence it is easier to throw mud at the dead, who make nice big targets. - like Cyril Smith.

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    The only libel I made was to post upon the allegations made by the BBC cynically publicised by them in the twittersphere. Like many responsible citizens I chose to believe the organisation in good faith not least because it is an august body renown throughout the world as the epitome of journalistic integrity and rectitude. Had they not deliberately leaked what transpired to be the false allegation that McAlpine was a paedophile I would not have made the post. Newsnight and its deity presenter Paxman are the equivalent of Moses and his tablets of stone. How were we to know he was a false prophet with feet of clay? I shall cancel my fee accordingly unless he is sacked immediately.

    My subsequent post about Morrison is based upon what is recognised as fact. I think you'll find no libel there, nor would McAlpine.

    Nevetheless Moog, I would agree that dead ducks make better targets and I think you will learn Cyril Smith was most definitely the elephant in the room......

    Are you still scribbling financial fluff pieces for a living?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    The only libel I made was to post upon the allegations made by the BBC cynically publicised by them in the twittersphere. Like many responsible citizens I chose to believe the organisation in good faith not least because it is an august body renown throughout the world as the epitome of journalistic integrity and rectitude. Had they not deliberately leaked what transpired to be the false allegation that McAlpine was a paedophile I would not have made the post.
    The inherent danger of rumour-mongering and being a gossip.

    I hope you've learnt a salutary lesson here, genticles.

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    Looks like its trousers down, six of the best time for thegent.

    Wheres cyril?

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    'Lord McAlpine outed as the Newsnight paedophile: thegent'.

    ...actionable. No question.

    (The BBC didn't actually even name him. )

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    BBC reaches settlement with Lord McAlpine

    Lord McAlpine said he had been shocked to discover he was being accused

    The BBC has settled with Lord McAlpine over his libel claim about a Newsnight broadcast which led to him being wrongly implicated in child abuse.

    The damages, agreed 13 days after the broadcast, total £185,000 plus costs.

    "The settlement is comprehensive and reflects the gravity of the allegations that were wrongly made," the corporation said in a statement.

    The Tory peer had said it was "terrifying" to find himself "a figure of public hatred".

    Lord McAlpine said: "I am delighted to have reached a quick and early settlement with the BBC. I have been conscious that any settlement will be paid by the licence fee-payers, and have taken that into account in reaching agreement with the BBC.

    "We will now be continuing to seek settlements from other organisations that have published defamatory remarks and individuals who have used Twitter to defame me."

    The terms of the agreement will be announced in court in a few days' time, according to RMPI LLP, solicitors for Lord McAlpine.

    Newsnight broadcast a report on child abuse in north Wales care homes earlier this month. Lord McAlpine's name was not broadcast, but he was wrongly identified on the internet.

    'Public hatred'





    The BBC's Mark Easton said it was a landmark settlement


    BBC home editor Mark Easton says the BBC will apologise to Lord McAlpine in court - but Lord McAlpine will also give a statement, in what our correspondent describes as an unusual step.

    Lord McAlpine will say in his statement that he still holds the BBC in very high esteem, our correspondent adds.

    The BBC has previously apologised for the broadcast, and investigations are being held into the programme, including by the BBC and media watchdog Ofcom.

    Lord McAlpine said "there is nothing as bad as this that you can do to people" as accusing them of being a paedophile.

    "They are quite rightly figures of public hatred - and suddenly to find yourself a figure of public hatred, unjustifiably, is terrifying," he added.

    Conservative MP Rob Wilson said the settlement will "incense" licence fee payers because "they are paying for a self-inflicted wound".

    He said: "This is a very expensive lesson for the BBC that it must maintain the highest standards of journalism and fairness at all times.

    "The settlement is also expensive and particularly hard on the licence fee payer... unfortunately, a protracted court case may well have cost a great deal more."

    Lord McAlpine's solicitor Andrew Reid had earlier said that Lord McAlpine was "more than aware that the ultimate people who will paying for any monies that he may receive are in fact the licence payers, the people who really own the BBC, and he is very much aware of this and hence any agreement that is reached is tempered in the light of that."

    The Newsnight report led to director general George Entwistle quitting at the weekend. Acting director general Tim Davie has said he hoped to personally apologise to Lord McAlpin

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    so, we still do not know who the identified person is

    The police know, but maybe now the perp was wrongly identified, the witness may be deemed "not credible"

    and get off....surprise!

    the justice system in the UK seems to be on a par with Thailand when public figures are involved
    I have reported your post

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    How much will TD be sending Lord McAlpine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    How much will TD be sending Lord McAlpine?

    It's very important that people don't send a link to this topic to Lord McAlpine's lawyers, because they have indicated overnight that he will be litigating against social media.

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    Oops!

    Oh well, it's a good thing that genticles is so superior to the Thais he chooses to surround himself with. His innate superiority and colonial-mindset means he must've made an absolute fortune from exploiting the peasants.

    A settlement, even on par with the BBC one, will likely barely dent his massive bank account.

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    Indeed, but one wonders just how successful the hypocrite will be in his hundreds of actions against folk who commented upon what was mainstream news?

    He is an old henchman of Thatcher when the bully boy attitude was very much in vogue. When he became disenchanted with the Tory party after the Queen Bitch was ousted he aligned himself with that other money grubber Goldsmith and his loony party, the ill fated Referendum Party.

    It seems that old habits die hard and one hopes the many tweeters tell his lawyers to get stuffed.

    Anyway, the old fart has a crappy heart ( oh, dear sweet karma bestow the sting in thy sweet kiss ) and with a bit of luck and a following wind the ghastly man will expire soon.

    TD has played host to my comments but I'm not sure what the effect might be given current locus, hosting jurisdiction and that of the legal mechanism by which the dribbling old fool hopes to impoverish folk indulging in free speech.

    The court case would be interesting though, would it not? Raking over his erstwhile friendship with the beastly paedophile Sir Peter Morrison who leched his way around public urinals for over 15 years in the full knowledge and complicity of the Tory party, McAlpine et al?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    folk who commented upon what was mainstream news?
    The BBC did not name him.
    'TheGent!' did name him.

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    gent; I have enjoyed some your postings over the years ( did not agree with most of then, but enjoyed them ). You views and comments on this thread are way overboard as facts become known and your personal hatred of the Torys does not help your creditability. Lets hope this does not put you on the same level as Socal is viewedby some posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yemen
    Lets hope this does not put you on the same level as Socal is viewedby some posters.
    Can't see that happening.







    Socal's got way more respect and credibility!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    The court case would be interesting though, would it not? Raking over his erstwhile friendship with the beastly paedophile Sir Peter Morrison who leched his way around public urinals for over 15 years in the full knowledge and complicity of the Tory party, McAlpine et al?
    That is obviously why he settled with the BBC so quickly

    A court case would have been very amusing, and not without interest

    I still have suspicions about the whole thing though, it all seems to have been swept away with red herrings abounding

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    ' I don't know who did it but thegent heard Lord McAlpines name mentioned '

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    ^ 555 ,, I did mention about a bit of tempering of suggestion in another similar thread .

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    Dunno why BBC, the Times and the Guardian were so daft in naming Lord Alistair McAlpine as the suspect in the N Wales enquiry.

    The N.Wales police at the time named the suspect in a photograph as a Lord McAlpine.
    It wasn't Messham who named him originally. That was suggested to Messham by the police.

    He says: 'After seeing a picture in the past hour of the individual concerned, this [is] not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine.'

    Whether the man identified was a Lord or Sir McAlpine is only a matter of rank, and there are several Lords and Sirs McAlpines listed.

    The average person doesn't know the difference when someone is called Sir or Lord such and such.

    In that original enquiry dating from 1993 two men of the same name, one deceased, lived in the area at that time.

    One was Sir Alfred James McAlpine (a Knight or Baronet, deceased 1991) and the other was his son, also a Baronet, Sir Robert McAlpine, living near Chester.

    Lord Alistair McAlpine, Baron of Westgreen, lived down in Hampshire, so it wasn't him named or accused at the time by Messham, nor by the police.

    The police know full well what went on and covered the details up, as did Waterhouse.
    Creating a smokescreen by confusing the titles given to the McAlpines is a good way of taking attention away from other likely paedophiles in government and among the British aristocracy.

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    ^ Don't think the BBC actually named him did they ?

    I thought it was more suggestion + innuendo

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    You're quite right, it was innuendo and suggestion linking Lord McAlpine to the enquiry.
    Messham originally mentioned his name, mistakenly, and the press and internet jumped on that, as far as I can determine.

    It was still daft for the BBC to even pursue the angle on Lord McAlpine, as simple deduction after reading the Waterhouse report would indicate that the abuser's picture identified by Messham was a local. The police discussed the confusion between names at the time, noting that one possible suspect was since deceased.

    Messham also stated that another "senior Tory" was involved.

    Only by re-opening the investigation and airing the original and new evidence can the abusers be identified, and until then this multi-stranded paedophile investigation will only be fuel for the press.

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    Since Lord Alistair McAlpine of West Green has threatened further litigation for all and sundry who dare even mention his name in connection with the North Wales paedophile enquiry, both the BBC (first news group to fall under slander/defamation laws) and the rest of the British media have suddenly shut up about the UK paedophile enquiry.

    Magic.

    The Tories, the landed gentry, the police, the courts, the Freemasons and the Churches can now breath a sigh of relief that the spotlight on their activities as paedophiles has been switched off.

    No more news is being reported on this distasteful topic apart from that in non-UK media.

    A very effective strategy on the part of the British establishment, to shift attention away from who in fact was the police identified McAlpine who was pointed out in photos by Messham as one of his abusive assailants.

    N.Wales councillors and police have concurred in their view that the Freemasons were solidly involved in the reported abuses and the ensuing whitewash, cover-up and protection by Waterhouse of sixty of their members and or associates.

    All most likely respected members of the community, pillars of society, butter would not melt in their mouths types. I'll bet that not one of those unpublished names in the Waterhouse report (Jillings' findings) are of the average hoy-poloy,.

    Now that Lord Alistair McAlpine ( the guy who saw himself as the one identified by police and media, but apparently un-named) has barked and bitten (and will most likely continue his protestations), one might expect the enquiry into the extent of paedophilia in British high society and halls of power to continue on its legitimate course, by-passing the topic of Lord McAlpine's obvious non-involvment in the North Wales debacle and Waterhouse cover-up, and concentrating on who indeed were the people reported, recognised, identified, investigated then subsequently and conveniently forgotten.

    All names just brushed under the carpet, nothing to see here, move on now please.

    It's going to be tough for those in N Wales who are dedicated to uncovering the full scope of the paedophile network there, BBC's been soundly compromised and will not get involved in the enquiry at present, Cameron has leapt to the defence of his Tory party, the British aristocracy has formed a defensive wall of silence, as has the English royal family (as it always does when something smelly emerges from under its skirts) the Freemasons, shadows that move throughout the upper echelons of British establishment have done it again, closed ranks.

    Lord McAlpine has done the forward work in defending his right to an unsullied name and reputation and by doing so shifted the focus off the identity of the actual "persons of similar name, one of whom is deceased" mentioned in the Waterhouse enquiry.
    By so doing, he's also taken the heat off the establishment.

    What will be the next strategy of defence that the Freemasons will use to silence the truth?
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    Non, they don,t need to now ,

    anyone left standing to carry the torch

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    Nick Pollard might unearth some interesting info. in his enquiry of BBC's dropped Savile programme.

    After the Guardian debunked the Newsnight programme last week, pointing out how Lord McAlpine of West Green was not the McAlpine allegedly identified by the N.Wales police and subsequently mistakenly named by Messham, the Bureau for Investigative Journalism who were involved in some of the research into the story have also copped flack and have gone into defence mode.

    "The bureau's managing editor, Iain Overton, resigned last week after admitting that he should not have sent a text message trailing the programme and which, ultimately, led to McAlpine being identified on Twitter."

    "We have been told our funding is safe until the end of next year," Oldroyd said. She added that the bureau had set aside a "small amount" of money to cover potential legal liabilities but declined to say how much or where the extra money to meet any sizable libel claim would come from."

    "As of Saturday afternoon the bureau had not received any correspondence from McAlpine's lawyers. The bureau said it had observed that there had been an increase in donations via its website since the scandal erupted." ://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/nov/12/investigative-journalism-newsnight?intcmp=239

    That's one lot of journaliasts who will still work to uncover the truth.

    Then there's the N.Wales councillors and their efforts in getting to the truth behind the Waterhouse cover-up. There's a lot of local interest in this scandal, as apparently 56 (?) names were suppressed, and doubtlessly many of those named would be from the district. The N Wales police force was substantially re-organised in the early 1990s, for "tactical" (read political) reasons, just as the Waterhouse enquiry started.

    N.Wales Police Inspector Gordon Anglesea, a Freemason, was implicated in paedophilia, sued for libel and won.


    Don't forget that it was the police who first suggested that the McAlpine name was involved in abuse allegations, not Messham, nor the media.

    Why hasn't Lord McAlpine sued the police?

    Masons all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Don't forget that it was the police who first suggested that the McAlpine name was involved in abuse allegations, not Messham, nor the media. Why hasn't Lord McAlpine sued the police? Masons all?
    blimey, bENT, you could work for the BBC with your reporting skills

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    More questions about Lord McAlpine's responses to media and police;
    The McAlpine ‘shame on BBC’ smears: Something for Sir Alfred to explain…

    Alfred ‘Jimmie’ McAlpine….teenage chauffeurs
    Hounding Steven Messham, smears in the Mail, threats against MPs, & police complicity


    Excerpts;

    I would ask everyone covering and reading this story to consider these opening questions:

    1. We still do not know for certain who injuncted the BBC ten days ago, but there remains a very strong and widely-held suspicion that he is a political big beast in David Cameron’s Cabinet. David Cameron asks us to go to the police, who have – in 4 out of the 5 coverups mentioned – either actively or passively conspired to derail enquiries….just as they did during the Hackgate enquiries. When is somebody going to tackle the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary about this?

    2. Look into the history of Steven Messham, and you will discover a consistent catalogue of victimisation by the authorities. Why is nobody interviewing Mr Messham and allowing him to relate that history?

    3. The Report from February 2000 into the North Wales cover-up and abuse (admirably covered by the Independent on Sunday this weekend) contains details and statistics to make even the most cynical hack’s blood run cold. When are more people going to read it, and more journalists drill down into it? (Have a look at it here)

    4. In Britain’s local Courts, there are over 35 documented cases of rape and paedophiliac abuse in the local government system of the UK – predominantly involving Labour councillors – in the last eight years alone. When is Ed Miliband going to address that? When is the Shadow Home Secretary going to address that? When is Tom Watson even going to achnowledge that?

    5. This morning, the Mail on Sunday has published an article by Sir Alfred McAlpine expressing disgust at the media in general and the BBC in particular. It is at best disingenuous. When is somebody in the media going to question the McAlpines on their convenient memory-loss in relation to cousin Alfred ‘Jimmie’ McAlpine?
    McAlpine paedophilia: mistaken identity not innocence | A diary of deception and distortion

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