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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Evidently, you seem to have overlooked the content of my post #33.

    I'm quite pleased Moog has seen fit to make reference to the DSK affair. I, like many, convicted him out of hand although I do recall Butterfly was pretty much on the money when he immediately guessed rightly the woman was lying.

    But that is to miss the point. The fact DSK was exculpated from the attempted rape is really neither here nor there. The main plank of my own personal attack upon the man was that he was not only French but a priapic monster preying on womanhood in his lustful frenzy to the detriment of good order as a politician of note. I rather think I was vindicated in this view not least because his career is in rightful ruins and the scales have finally fallen away from his wife's eyes.

    The British Establisment's propensity for protecting its own is well known even if the extent of its perfidy isn't. This particular scandal is as typical as the conspiracy of official silence that protected Savile until his death. That innocent parties will suffer is undoubted but then if one wraps the truth in a tissue of lies so be it. As I said, there'll be collateral damage but as in many cases where the defendant is acquitted and an application for costs is made the Judge often declines on the basis that he brought the case upon himself.

    The internet is the most effective tool puncturing the cant and hypocrisy of cheap self serving politicians and their lickspittles. Why do you think they're trying to muzzle it?

    Anyway, one cannot be wrong. To admit it would quite simply be.....well, wrong.

    It seems that you are quite happy to convict on rumour fortified by your own, often sour, prejudices and even when your monsters are found innocent you claim it to be "really neither here nor there "
    before dredging up some half baked stereotypical anti establshment conspiracy theory blogged by some special needs sixth former sitting at a computer somewhere in the midlands.

    Your rants would be much more credible if only they were backed by proven facts rather than the obscure ramblings that happen to suit your agenda filched from obscure websites and then coated with the acrid bile of the closet daily mail disciple that you resemble on this thread.

    Perhaps you are missing the relative sanity of life in england, thailand can induce in one a twisted and blinkered perception of things you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Earlier, Lord McAlpine said the claims were "wholly false and seriously defamatory". His solicitor, Andrew Reid, said the peer will take legal action against those who later named and linked him to the false allegations.
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    Earlier Lord McAlpine's solicitor, Andrew Reid, said the peer had "no choice" but to take legal action over claims linking him to abuse at Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham.


    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Well, it seems that what Newsnight and Jeremy Paxman wouldn't divulge is now all over the ether, courtesy of Twitter et al, in that the identity of the notorious Tory political aide child abuser, paedophile, kiddy fiddler and all round brute is none other than the renown Tory bully boy, henchman, fixer and financier of the Tory Party, Lord McAlpine.
    they will hunt you down, theGents, the hounds are being readied

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    change your aftershave immediately

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
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    ^ What language is that... 'Cos it reads like complete bollocks to me.
    I rather think you may find it helpful if you were to google " Translations for Morons R' Us ".

    yes, everyone is stupid except you

    and you are exceptionally stupid, thinking you know all the gossip (stolen from some blog)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Earlier Lord McAlpine's solicitor, Andrew Reid, said the peer had "no choice" but to take legal action over claims linking him to abuse at Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Mr Messham said police had shown him a picture of his abuser but incorrectly told him the man was Lord McAlpine.

    Interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Jeremy Thorpe?
    I don't think he was a paedo ,, although I do remember some one called Norman spewing the secrets into the News Of The World ,, about how painful it was as he had to bite the pillow when Jeremy was in full flow .


    I felt so sorry for his wife as she stood by the disgusting rampant queer when he was in office .
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Jeremy Thorpe?
    I don't think he was a paedo ,.
    'Is' not ''was' - Jeremy is still with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan
    I don't think he was a paedo ,, although I do remember some one called Norman spewing the secrets into the News Of The World ,, about how painful it was as he had to bite the pillow when Jeremy was in full flow .
    Some waspish person at the time quoted the Norman Scott affair as

    "SCOTT OF THE ARSE ANTICS "

    thought that was funny then

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    Indeed, the whole affair was fraught with comedy.

    When the contract to kill Scott was first taken the shooter phoned up his principal to say that despite sterling attempts on his part he couldn't track down the victim anywhere in the vicinity and demanded better directions.

    The contractor was nonplussed by this and after some more confusion the shooter discloses that he has arrived in Barnstable, Yorkshire as ordered at which point the contractor explodes in fury and shouts at the hapless hitman " You stupid fucking idiot, I told you Barnstaple, not fucking Barnstable."

    From such inauspicious beginnings the saga simply deteriorated into further farce when the inept hitman, a former pilot Andrew Newton paid £5000 as a fee for the proposed murder, after finally locating Devon only succeeds in slaughtering Scott's pet hound, Rinka, at a bungled rendezvous on Exmoor.

    The trial revolving around the number of moles on Thorpe's back was pure theatre but where are they now?

    It could only have happened in Britain.

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    Hey thegent there was a Liberal guy implicated at the time

    think Peter "something" who pissed off to the Caribbean

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    Peter Bessell possibly. The whole thing was just sooooo British even down to the bent summing up given By Justice Cantley ( a terrific snob and a graduate from the school of " The Beatles, who or what are they ? ) which ensured Thorpe would get off.

    The Establishment always looked after its own in those days, and still does to a considerable degree.

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    ^ can you hear the baying of the hounds yet, theGents?

    you seem to be changing the subject of the OP rather ineptly

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Peter Bessell possibly. The whole thing was just sooooo British even down to the bent summing up given By Justice Cantley ( a terrific snob and a graduate from the school of " The Beatles, who or what are they ? ) which ensured Thorpe would get off.

    so what was the result of the investigation ?

    Thorpe and Bessell were spoken about, but nothing happened as I remember

    but then again it was over 30 years ago,

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    Quote Originally Posted by themanfrommontrose
    a terrific snob and a graduate from the school of " The Beatles, who or what are they ? ) which ensured Thorpe would get off.
    That reminds me of the the Rolling Stones court appearance in the 60s, ( yeh I am that old )

    The police raided a house where the Stones were partying ,

    they found Jagger eating a Mars Bar out of Marriane Faithfulls fanny .

    the judge ruled that anyone doing such a thing must be on drugs ,

    at the time the actual act was never divulged in the media,

    a copper told me the facts later ,

    Judges , mmhh well nuff said

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    urban legend

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Amazing isn't it? Further revelations in the press abound yet no response from those implicated. Anyone could be forgiven for thinking there was a blanket ban on any mention from the chaps so far implicated in this degradation.

    McAlpine, Laud, Lilley and Portillo where are you?

    Perhaps they're all dead???
    I thought socialist kunts like you never convicted until after trial ?

    Awaiting the carefully worded kick in the nuts from thecunt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    urban legend

    yer too young Andy Pandy to comment,

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    I thought socialist kunts like you never convicted until after trial ?
    The Gents socialist ?

    Guantanamo here we come

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    I thought socialist kunts like you never convicted until after trial ?
    The Gents socialist ?

    Guantanamo here we come
    From his earlier posts, it didn't seem so but yes, thegent is a socialist

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    Quote Originally Posted by themanfrommontrose View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    urban legend

    yer too young Andy Pandy to comment,

    I used to party with a couple of them, in the early days


    but thanks anyway!

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    Tue 13 Nov 2012 Updated 6 mins ago

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    BBC investigation: Smearing an innocent man’s name is the real tragedy here




    By Boris JohnsonLast Updated: 8:39PM GMT 12/11/2012

    The BBC should prove that 'Newsnight’ was not acting with malice towards Lord McAlpine, argues Boris Johnson.

    You know, I am afraid that they still don’t get it. The people at the BBC show no real sign of understanding what they have done wrong, let alone making amends. We have heard an awful lot in the past 24 hours about the personal calvary of George Entwistle.

    We know of the agony of Lord Patten, who has told us that the resignation of Entwistle was “one of the saddest evenings” of his public life. We have been told of the grief of hundreds of BBC journalists, the anxiety, the anger, their fear for their jobs. Everyone at the BBC is agreed on one thing: that it is a “tragedy”. Yes, it is a tragedy for the poor old BBC.

    It’s tragic for us! say Beeb journalists, who are all interviewing each other in a ludicrous orgy of self-pity. In all this nauseating navel-gazing and narcissism, there seems to be no one – from Lord Patten downwards – who appears to be remotely interested in the person the BBC has injured. Has anyone even begun to apologise, in a fitting manner, to Alistair McAlpine?

    To call someone a paedophile is to place them, these days, in a special category. We loathe paedophiles, as a society, because we know more and more about their crimes. They groom and manipulate vulnerable young people. They are cunning, plausible, selfish and ruthless. They cause appalling physical and psychological pain to children – people who should be getting protection and support.

    Paedophiles, therefore, do the rest of humanity a sort of service, because they confer moral superiority on absolutely everyone else. A convicted paedophile is a “nonce”, and a “nonce” is the person that every other prisoner – burglar, rapist, murderer, you name it – can spit on and feel good about it. Paedophiles are there to be jostled, beaten up and shanked in the showers, and the rest of the prison population will whistle and look the other way.

    To call someone a paedophile is to consign them to the lowest circle of hell – and while they are still alive. It follows that you should not call someone a paedophile unless you are pretty sure of your facts. It is utterly incredible that the BBC’s flagship news programme decided to level this poisonous allegation against Lord McAlpine when it had not the slightest evidence to support its case. It was sickening yesterday morning, at 7am, to hear the BBC radio newscaster claim – as if it were some kind of mitigation – that Newsnight did not “name” McAlpine. Is it really claiming that it protected his identity?

    If so, it shows utter contempt for its listeners and for the intelligence of the British public. On the afternoon of Friday November 2, it was “tweeted” that a senior Tory politician was to be exposed on Newsnight as a paedophile. It wasn’t a vague allegation about a “ring” of paedophiles. It was about a particular individual, who was supposed to have committed a series of specific and vile crimes against a former occupant of the Bryn Estyn children’s home in Wales. “McAlpine” was the name of the mystery millionaire who had surfaced in the 2000 Waterhouse report into the scandal.

    “McAlpine” was the name the programme’s makers fed out to various Left-wing tweeters and bloggers; and within hours of Newsnight’s bizarre broadcast, people such as Sally Bercow and George Monbiot were pointing the finger at the bewildered and utterly blameless figure of Alistair McAlpine, 70, who is spending his retirement running a B&B in southern Italy.

    You can’t really blame the tweeters and the bloggers. “McAlpine” was the steer they were given, and it was Alistair McAlpine that Newsnight had in its sights. It was no protection of McAlpine that he wasn’t explicitly named in the first broadcast – and it should be no defence of Newsnight, either. A twitstorm, a blogstorm, an internet hurricane howled around the former Tory treasurer.

    The whole of Fleet Street started to torment their readers with ever more prominent stories about this Top Tory Paedo, while those who used the web could see who was intended. The Prime Minister was dragged in, and immediately instituted an inquiry.

    The whole thing became so unbearable that Lord McAlpine was forced to break cover, and point out that Newsnight was wrong. It was not just wrong: it was a slander more cruel, revolting and idiotic than anything perpetrated by the News of the World.

    The programme makers hadn’t taken account of the real anxieties about the reliability of their witness, as expressed by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, who led the inquiry into Bryn Estyn. They hadn’t shown him a picture of McAlpine. They hadn’t even put the allegations to McAlpine! Unbelievable! And why not? It was, as they say, a story that was too good to check.

    It wasn’t just that it showed Newsnight taking up the cudgels against paedophiles, after the embarrassment of the axed Savile exposé. It went one better. It pushed all the buttons. It was like a dream come true for any vaguely resentful and Left-of-centre BBC producer. It was a chance to pour unlimited ordure on a man who – in their book – jolly well had it coming. He is rich, he is a toff, he is a Lord, he is a Tory, and – joy of joys – he is an EX-AIDE TO MRS THATCHER.

    The journalism was so shoddy, so cretinous, so ready to let the wish be father to the thought that the Beeb really now has to show that Newsnight was not acting with malice. The BBC cannot minimise what the programme has done.

    There will be people out there who will continue to believe that there is no smoke without fire, that Newsnight would never have broadcast such allegations unless there was something in it.

    The BBC owes it to McAlpine to grovel and keep grovelling until the public gets the message. Everyone associated with the “paedophile” segment on Newsnight should be sacked instantly.

    Then Chris Patten should make a penitential pilgrimage to McAlpine’s Italian B&B, on his knees and scourging himself with a copy of the BBC charter.


    This tragedy is not about the BBC; it is about the smearing of an innocent man. The BBC needs to grasp that first.

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    Normally, I enjoy Boris's work. His iconoclastic views of crossbench issues have earned him some respect as a Tory richboy who may actually be different to the more run of the mill product from the Eton/Oxbridge creche for the over educated albeit somewhat clueless chinless wonders inflicted on lumpen Britain by Tory Central Office.

    But this slavish homage to a Tory grandee impaled on the wicked spike of internet spite provoked by the BBC is not a piece that reflects well and probably owes more to a Boris anxious to curry favour with the aging bum chums, reprobates and slack jawed geriatrics of the Tory party closing ranks to protect the good name of one of their Thatcher sycophants.

    The thing is, the addled Messham, whose testimony the BBC took as Gospel, was indeed buggered whilst in care. So were many other adolescent boys in that dreadful care home. The patrons of this clandestine and thuggish brutalism have not been exposed to the full glare of publicity. Unreliable evidence, conflicting accounts and a judicial system dependent upon the need to prove beyond reasonable doubt have ensured the full dramatis personae of the predatory scum who visited their filth upon those young boys still remain unpunished.

    So, where does that leave Alistair McAlpine? A falsely maligned man unfairly portrayed as a predatory pederast he most certainly is. But is he an innocent to whom the BBC should crave forgiveness whilst flagellating themselves on bended knee with a copy of their Charter? I don't think so and I'll tell you why.

    McAlpine was a devotee of Thatcher and a significant figure in the Tory party which he served as a treasurer and deputy chairman in the 1970s - the former post he held between 1976 and 1990 and the latter between 1979 and 1983. These are key positions in the party and with these tenures he was placed at the very nerve centre of the organisation, its finances and its personnel. No post gives more of an oversight of what is going on except perhaps the position of Chief Whip.

    Now, during this period Sir Peter Morrison was elected as Tory MP for Chester, in 1974, and held this seat until his retirement in 1992. He served as Deputy Conservative Party Chairman and Thatcher's PPS, Minister of State in the Dept of Employment and Minister in the Dept of Energy in 1987.

    Morrison was a notorious sexual deviant and predatory homosexual who habitually cruised for illicit sex in public toilets and elsewhere with young men and boys. He was encountered importuning 16 year old boys, and younger, during several such cottaging escapades at a time when the age of consent was 21 by the police but was never prosecuted for the offences for which he was merely cautioned. This sexual deviancy was well reported within the Establishment and was an open secret among politicians, the Met Police, the DPP, the Attorney General, the Prime Minister and, it seems, some of his constituents who often expressed their disgust but were powerless to act because of the concealment of the facts by the authorities and the threat of libel action which could never be defended not least because there were no " facts " made available to them. Morrison died in 1995 aged 51, seemingly from a surfeit of alcohol and nicotine but one can never rule out he was riddled with Aids. Edwina Currie in her autobiography made it quite clear Morrison's perversions were well known and posed in her view a severe risk to the well being of the Party. No mention of how she might have felt about boys being corrupted by this animal was made known but she did concede that his activities were almost certainly illegal at the time.

    Now, what is worse? The man who corrupts and defiles young boys or the men who permit him to perpetrate his atrocities with impunity, the better he can satiate his bestial appetite for as long his goatish needs demand?

    Personally, I think both are equally culpable.

    Did not McAlpine know of his close colleague's vile corruption? Did he not by his silence collude in the systematic abuse of children which might have been curtailed if he had complained as any decent, Christian man would and should have done? Was he completely unaware that the MP for Chester, a mere stone's throw from the home where Messham and his fellow inmates were abused and degraded, was reportedly seen there several times?

    Of course McAlpine knew. He knew as much as the security services knew, as the police knew, as the entire village of Westminster knew but not one of them, not a single man jack, swinging dick or other self serving, self aggrandising greasy pole climber could be bothered to do that one decent thing, that most simple of acts, which was to lift a finger to help a poor helpless boy from the degradation of a wanton pervert whose entire ghastly career was facilitated by a wall of stinking complicit silence.

    So, Boris, no, the BBC don't need to travel down to that Italian riviera, to prostrate themselves before that sad, wilting sorry sack of hypocritical shit that is McAlpine. Their only mistake was to accuse the wretch of the wrong offence.

    Now, that's what you should have said Tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    So, where does that leave Alistair McAlpine? A falsely maligned man unfairly portrayed as a predatory pederast he most certainly is.
    The Beeb got it wrong and deserve the full Boris onslaught....

    As you say, everyone knew at the time and that is a lame excuse for getting it wrong....however well you put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    The thing is, the addled Messham, whose testimony the BBC took as Gospel, was indeed buggered whilst in care.
    How do you know that?

    Given how unreliable he has been in his accusations.

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    ^thegent

    An interesting post, but pure opinionated speculation as usual, and its not at all what I should have said, its what you should perhaps have used as your original post rather than that avalanche of libel.

    You also, like the bbc, found it necessary to include the words tory and thatcher at every opportunity.

    With the heavy burden of proof necessary to gain convictions, it is likely that nothing will come of all these enquiries and investigations other than to make normal innocent adult child relationships even more fraught with suspicion than they already are. And that is sad.

    We live in an upside down world.
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