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    Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center needs help

    For the last few years, HHDRC has limped from financial worry to financial worry. We have had a number of donations, some very generous, but never a sustainable and consistent fund coming in. Any donations have been sporadic. In the past, when we ran out of money, my Mum & I made up the shortfall from our own money. Last year, we pretty much paid for the center for 7 months out of our own pockets. As our running costs average out at just over 50,000 bt a month (higher, some months), these days, you can imagine how much we (particularly Mum) have spent.

    Now, HHDRC has run out of money again, and this time, we can't subsidise it. I paid 6,000 bt I could ill afford last week, I can't give anymore. Our 2 workers' salaries are due to be paid, the vet's bill is overdue and the dogs will need food bought again soon and I can't manage it. So, unless we get some serious funding, HHDRC will need to close and the 140 dogs in our care face...well, I just don't know. It will also be the end of the plans for the neutering clinic.

    So, I'm appealing to anyone who can help & thinks we are doing any good at all, to please, please help us. I am totally distraught at the thought of closing & losing all of the dogs, condemning them to an uncertain future (at best). I can't believe all this work may have been for nothing.

    What we need:

    Money First & foremost. If you run a business, how about sponsoring a dog (or two)? You get a lovely certificate which you can display and show your customers/clients how much you care. Individuals can also sponsor dogs. Or, we would also be extremely grateful for straight donations.

    Adoptions If you have ever thought of adopting a dog from us, now is the time to do it. Every dog adopted is one less we have to find funds to feed, and if we do close, you will have saved a dog from an uncertain future. In return, you get love, companionship, loyalty & security.

    Volunteers We currently are in the fortunate position of having a fair amount of stock for our shop. However, we have only 4 volunteers who man it. So, it opens for only 4 x half days a week. We can't sell things to get money, if we are not open. If you have time to spare every week, please consider manning the shop. It would help us get a small but consistent amount of money in.
    We also need volunteers to organise fundraising events. If you have ideas on how to give people a good time, and still raise money & have the time to put your idea into action, you would be helping us immeasurably.

    Fostering If you are only in HH for a few months at a time, can you foster a dog? This makes them more adoptable, gives you companionship and reduces the amount we pay for the period you have the dog. (This option, of course, is subject to us staying open)

    Food or vet care If you would prefer not to give money, could you buy food (rice, canned or dry) for the dogs? Or visit "our" vet & pay him some money to reduce our "tab"? That way you can be 110% sure that your donation is (or has) going directly to the dogs. (Money also goes directly to the dogs, but I realise some people feel giving goods is safer)

    We would be very grateful for any & all help. The future of HHDRC lies in your hands, now. Please help us.

    I'd just like to say a very sincere "thank you" to everyone who has helped us in the past. Without you, this sad situation would have happened a lot sooner.

    If you can help, please post, pm me or phone 081 9814406.

    Thank you so much.


    taken from the Hua Hin Forum

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    I'm sure Stroller could "Help Out" in some way...

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    140 dogs... Why ?
    Euthenasia is probably the best option.

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    ^^Beat me to it...

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    Maybe stroller could email them some of his recipes

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Maybe stroller could email them some of his recipes
    Or he could organise another one of his bus trips for the entire village.

    Don't forget the BBQ set.

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    a friggin grill and a keg of beer is what y'all need for a 'too many dogs problem' :grin:

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    I should have put more details in the original post.


    Dire times for HHDRC





    Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center (HHDRC) has had some trying times over the last couple of months. We still do not have land for a new center, the last offer having fallen through. There are still one or two options in the pipeline (thanks largely to our volunteer Lena, her husband Chai, Cee & Gee of Time Optic and Mr Bernd Schneider of the Sofitel, who have all been wonderful and given up a lot of their personal free time to help us & support us ? thank you), but nothing will be moving for a few months yet.



    Many promises and pledges have fallen through. Despite having completed a sponsored walk with children from Shrewsbury School in Bangkok and some of our dogs & having had a wonderful day, we didn?t receive the promised sponsorship money. The reason? They had been informed (by an intermediary, with whom we have since cut all contact and dealings, as he gave patently misleading information) that we would use the money to buy land, and when they found out we would be using it to build a center on rented or donated land, the money was withdrawn. Also, a well known Hua Hin based property company promised us that they would build our new center for free, if we bought land. They also said they could find us very cheap land, on which to build. When we accepted these fantastic offers, they refused to answer or return calls and messages, were ?out of the office? when we arrived for a meeting and generally avoided us, until we gave up chasing them. Very classy behaviour.



    So, we are in a very difficult situation now. We have 112 dogs and puppies. 49 are in the center, itself, 39 in Dawn?s home and the other 24 in Maureen?s home. Both homes are small, 2 bedroom bungalows with, thankfully, fair sized gardens. Money gathered for the relocation is being used to feed and provide medical care for the dogs we have, as donations are not forthcoming. At the time of writing (mid November), we have 48 baht in our day-to-day fund and 100,000 baht in our relocation fund. That is down from more than double that in late July ? and we haven?t moved. By the time we do, there will be nothing left. Another of our long-term residents, a dog named ?Beau? died today, another victim of poisoning by our neighbours. We are all extremely upset at another needless, painful death.



    For the foreseeable future, we shall NOT be taking in any more dogs. We do not have the funds, the manpower or the space for any more. Please do not report dogs to us, as there is nothing we can do to help at this time. We are unbelievably frustrated and disappointed at having come to this, but circumstances are beyond our control. If circumstances change ? financially, through adoptions or through moving to a new center, we will inform you via this website. Thank you.




    Official Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center Website

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    The next TD soirree?

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    Although I respect them for their kind intentions, I for one do not intend to part with a single baht. Strays should be rounded up and killed, it is the most humane thing to do in the long run, and anyone who rounds up 140 dogs and expects other people to foot the bill for them needs a reality check. There are more worthy causes, even in Hua Hin.

    As a footnote: When I worked in Sarawak, the local authorities used to cull stray dogs using local Iban (native tribe) blowpipes with poisoned bamboo darts. Silent and very effective. A dog would be short, it would walk/run a short distance, lie down and fall asleep. In a few minutes, it would be dead, loaded on the back of a pickup for disposal. Apart from the initial prick from the dart, it did not appear to cause the dog any discomfort at all. I used to watch them from my office window on more than one occasion, and I can not think of a more humane way of killing an animal.

    Stroller will be happy to know that even though shot with a poisoned arrow, the meat is still safe for consumption. The poison was made from the sap of a local tree, I know the Iban name for it, and what it looks like, but I have no idea what it is called in English/Thai/Latin. Never seen it in Thailand either, unfortunately. But I am sure a substitute can be found.....
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    Dawn is to the HHAD forum what Dr P is to TV.

    In partial defence of her however she has made a case for neutering dogs rather than the more obvious extermination.

    The case basically summed up, is that non-neutered dogs tend to be more aggressive than neutered ones and extermination simply makes a territorial void that other non-neutered dogs then fill. Therefore neuter the dogs and you will have a stable population of non-aggressive dogs.

    Well that's her theory backed up by some studies carried out elsewhere.

    I would have thought that a non-neutered dog entering a territory occupied by neutered ones would become the dominant dog and start pack leading or drive the neutered ones out - but I'm not a dog expert.

    I think she is very naive if she thinks she can find homes for 140 stray dogs. Better to bite the bullet and sort out the ones that just might find homes and euthanase the rest.

    No money from me unless it is going towards a catch and exterminate program I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    I think she is very naive if she thinks she can find homes for 140 stray dogs. Better to bite the bullet and sort out the ones that just might find homes and euthanase the rest.

    No money from me unless it is going towards a catch and exterminate program I'm afraid.
    Giving the dogs a week or two before extermination to maybe be adopted, given the adopting owners pay for spay or nueter would cut cost and seesm practical.

    There are simply too many fuckin' dogs running loose in this country and, regrettably, exterminiating the bulk of the strays is the only option. There are plenty of kids throughout this country needing education, people suffering from disabilities (both mental and physical) needing help.

    A nice thought; "save the dogs," but I believe the funds, and effort, could better be directed elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Dawn is to the HHAD forum what Dr P is to TV.

    In partial defence of her however she has made a case for neutering dogs rather than the more obvious extermination.

    The case basically summed up, is that non-neutered dogs tend to be more aggressive than neutered ones and extermination simply makes a territorial void that other non-neutered dogs then fill. Therefore neuter the dogs and you will have a stable population of non-aggressive dogs.
    What she seems to have forgotten is that even newtered stray dogs get deceases, get hit by cars, get bitten by other dogs (and thus are potential rabies carriers), and generally live a pretty piss-poor life anyway. KIll the fuckers, I say!

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    An interesting contrast in forum responses here:

    Hi Dawn,sorry to hear of your predicament,i am only to willing to help.Would be a money donation as i'm back here in Kiwi-land.Is there any way of donating on-line or even doing a bank transfer?
    Dawn I would also like to make a donation which I will bring with me when I come in April.

    I think you are doing a fantastic job so hopefully everyone will chip in for this very worthy cause.
    All good ideas -

    Here's another one - all contries have National Animal Protection Societies, think members of this board could try to write their homelands Society with Dawns plea for funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    Giving the dogs a week or two before extermination to maybe be adopted, given the adopting owners pay for spay or nueter would cut cost and seesm practical.

    That's a good point Frankie. People are more willing to adopt if there is a death sentence on the dog. A bit of emotional blackmail.

    I am a great dog lover, but I think it would be far kinder to have them put down than running around with no homes, vulnerable to attack and accidents.

    I am not sure that neutering males and then putting them back on the streets is doing them a kindness either.

    They may not be so aggressive but other dogs will be and taking their balls is only going to diminish their ability to fight and defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    KIll the fuckers, I say!
    Kill 140 dog's and it's a statistic, eat one and well........

    Got agree with most of the sentiment here, they obviously mean well and have good intentions but you can't save every dog, the old, sick or injured ones are'nt going to get adopted and will just be a drain on the recources of the shelter. Keep the dogs sutible for adoption for a certian ammount of time and just put the rest out of their misery.
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    The thing is, Thai suddenly turn into Buddhists when it comes to the problem of dogs here. I presume its just so they can get out of having any responsibility for the problem. With that in mind, I'm sure there is a job opening here for a foreigner to get paid by the BMA (or other local authority) to go round and exterminate all the stray dogs. All he needs is a truck, a gun which fires those injections and a place where he can dump the dead dogs.

    If anyone is worried about their dog getting done, all they need do is make it wear a collar. If it has a collar, the dog lives; simple.

    I'd do this job at the drop of a hat.

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    ^ Could probably make it a tourist activity like trekking. Call it "Urban Safari" or something.

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    To heck with if it's got a collar or not, if the bloody thing runs the streets on its own, get rid of the buggers. Too damn many of them. Let sTroller and the Thais, Lao, Cambodian, Vietnamese or whoever eat em, but get the sick damn things off the streets.

    You can't save em all, so start putting them to sleep. Seems these people are just more PC nutters that don't have a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    The thing is, Thai suddenly turn into Buddhists when it comes to the problem of dogs here. I presume its just so they can get out of having any responsibility for the problem. With that in mind, I'm sure there is a job opening here for a foreigner to get paid by the BMA (or other local authority) to go round and exterminate all the stray dogs. All he needs is a truck, a gun which fires those injections and a place where he can dump the dead dogs.

    If anyone is worried about their dog getting done, all they need do is make it wear a collar. If it has a collar, the dog lives; simple.

    I'd do this job at the drop of a hat.
    a real man would just use his truck....

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    That's right, kill anything that is a nuisance. I have a little list, I have a little list...

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    I suppose for anyone that doesn't realise, I'd better state that I'm the "PC nutter", or "fool with a mission", being slated here.

    Not going to bother arguing with any of you, although, Lily we don't just neuter males (we do males & females equally) & it doesn't reduce their ability to fight (I've had to take many dogs to the vets for stitches after a tussle with one of our neutered males), it just reduces most male dogs' propensity to start fights. The idea is to clear whole areas at a time, not one here & one there. We concentrate on one area until they're all neutered, then move onto the next.

    Anyway, I answered this thread a few days ago

    http://teakdoor.com/the-captains-lou...tml#post383973 (post 385)

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    ignore the fukkers NR.

    lots of big men like to talk shit on certain subjects.
    see the dog poisoning threads for confirmation.

    and keep up the good work.

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    ^Major suck up from CMN.

    However in deference to NR I'll drop my offer from extermination to cut their balls off. That should please the ladies.

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