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    ^Not at all. Seeking clarification on actual costs.

    So far I have found an ameristani government budget which indicated certain figures, some marketing blurb from spacex, some alleged spacex winning bid figures and an announcement from Russian launchers of their own launch costs.

    There is some muddying of waters due allegedly that some launches require higher charges to cover "certification" at a higher level or possibly free insurance covers the 'B' grade, dodgy launches. Spacex's figures were / are based on multiple usage of engines/??? which appears not to be happening now .

    But there appears to be ample wriggle room between what ameristani government budgets us$150,000,000 + and 60,000,000 costs for brown envelopes to keep the illusion profitable and undocumented. I'm sure everybody is happy paying ameristan MIC missile, satellite, radar and national security development fees, even foreigners.

    Unless you have any facts to share alongside your immature sniggering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Maybe someone has a better clip?
    Depends on what you want to see. This is probably the best collection of spectacular optical impressions.

    Launches at dusk, like this one or dawn produce these spectacular views. Because at the ground it is dark and at altitude the rocket exhaust is illuminated by the sun.

    Another good one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=sEaTe38-I4Y

    Here a slightly more conventional video of launch and return of the first stage. This was the first launch at the West Coast, Vandenberg Airforce Base, with return of the first stage to the launch site. They had to overcome concerns about scaring seals with the sonic boom when coming down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=eNdVTuvtENU
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    It has happened.

    A manned Soyuz launch failed. The crew is safe fortunately. The capsule separated and landed safely. Rescue teams have got them out of the landed capsule, apparently in good shape.

    As I mentioned in the drama around the bored hole in a Soyuz orbital module, quality control is slipping and it seems the slips have now reached the manned Soyuz flights. We will see what that means in context of ISS operations. More info when it becomes available.

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    Ongoing coverage at NASA TV.

    https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public

    Reporting on space.com

    https://www.space.com/42097-soyuz-ro...n-57-crew.html

    A Russian Soyuz rocket carrying a new U.S.-Russian crew to the International Space Station failed during its ascent Thursday (Oct. 11), sending its crew capsule falling back toward Earth in a ballistic re-entry, NASA officials said. A search-and-rescue team has reached the landing site, both crewmembers are in good condition and have left the Soyuz capsule as of 6:10 a.m. EDT, NASA spokesperson Brandi Dean said during live television commentary.

    The Soyuz rocket and its Soyuz MS-10 space capsule lifted off from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan at about 4:47 a.m. EDT (0847 GMT) with NASA astronaut Nick Hague and cosmonaut Aleksey Ovchinin aboard. The pair were due to join the three-person Expedition 57 crew already aboard the International Space Station. But something went wrong minutes after liftoff, sending the Soyuz capsule into a ballistic re-entry, NASA officials said.

    "Confirming again that the today's Soyuz MS10 launch did go into a ballistic re-entry mode
    around 3:47 a.m Central Time (4:47 a.m. EDT/0847 GMT)," Dean said during live television commentary. "That means the crew will not be going to the International Space Station today. Instead they'll be taking a sharp landing, coming back to Earth." NASA is providing live commentary on NASA TV, which you can watch here.



    The three astronauts currently on board the space station have been informed of the failed launch and their schedule for the day is being reshuffled, since they'll no longer be able to greet the incoming duo. Mission control told current station commander Alexander Gerst of the European Space Agency that during landing, "the boys" experienced forces of about 6.7 G in a call that NASA later broadcast on the live commentary.

    The pair landed about 20 kilometers (12 miles) east of Dzhezkazgan, Kazakhstan. "Search and rescue crews are always pre-staged in the event something like this does happen," Dean added. Helicopters have already dispatched to look for the Soyuz space capsule, she said.

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    Here is a report released covering any insurance payment for the failed launch

    It suggests a 4.66 bln rubles ($70.2 mln) figure.

    TASS: Emergencies - Insurance payment on failed Soyuz launch to become one of biggest over past decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^Not at all. Seeking clarification on actual costs.

    So far I have found an ameristani government budget which indicated certain figures, some marketing blurb from spacex, some alleged spacex winning bid figures and an announcement from Russian launchers of their own launch costs.

    There is some muddying of waters due allegedly that some launches require higher charges to cover "certification" at a higher level or possibly free insurance covers the 'B' grade, dodgy launches. Spacex's figures were / are based on multiple usage of engines/??? which appears not to be happening now .

    But there appears to be ample wriggle room between what ameristani government budgets us$150,000,000 + and 60,000,000 costs for brown envelopes to keep the illusion profitable and undocumented. I'm sure everybody is happy paying ameristan MIC missile, satellite, radar and national security development fees, even foreigners.

    Unless you have any facts to share alongside your immature sniggering?

    I'l rely on Takeovers. He knows his subject and quotes authoritative circles.

    You, on the other hand, are a dim sycophant who publishes any old piece of pro-Russia or Pro-chinky propaganda because you're too stupid to understand.

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    Mere days after the Hubble Space Telescope entered safe mode following a component failure, NASA said its Chandra X-ray Observatory entered safe mode on Wednesday. The space agency said on Friday that an investigation into the incident is currently underway, though it added data analysis indicated the safe mode transition to be “normal behavior.”


    Chandra has been precision X-raying our universe since its launch in 1999 and is one of four observatories of NASA’s Great Observatory program, which includes the Hubble Space Telescope, Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, and Spitzer Space Telescope. The observatory spies on objects that include black holes, galaxies, supernovas, high-temperature gases, and quasars throughout the x-ray portion of the electromagnetic spectrum to help us better understand the universe.

    The incredible spacecraft boasts what NASA
    describes as “the largest, most precisely shaped and aligned, and smoothest mirrors ever constructed,” and it is currently among the most powerful telescopes in the world. Chandra entered a safe configuration early Wednesday in order to protect itself during the issue, which NASA said may have involved a gyroscope. Such was the case last week with the beloved Hubble Space Telescope, which went into safe mode after another of its six gyroscopes failed.


    “Analysis of available data indicates the transition to safe mode was normal behavior for such an event,” NASA
    said. “All systems functioned as expected and the scientific instruments are safe.”


    The 19-year-old Chandra has far outlived its 5-year original design lifetime. After the issue is resolved, Chandra’s mission is expected to continue “for many years to come,” the space agency said.


    Grant Tremblay, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, tweeted Friday that the issue with Chandra had been characterized and that there was a “clear pathway to recovery.” He added that Chandra is safe and expected to return to its mission soon.

    https://gizmodo.com/just-days-after-...ory-1829730915

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    Gyroscopes are life limiting devices for many probes. Hubble had the gyroscopes replaced in a previous repair mission flown by the Space Shuttle. Also Hubble like Chandra and many others are way beyond their design life limits.

    But as mentioned, Chandra can continue working until more Gyroscopes fail. The same is true for Hubble. It has 2 remaining Gyroscopes if they can not get the failed one to operate again. Hubble can operate on one gyro but there are some observations it can no longer do because Hubble can not trace every region of the sky that way.

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    On the previous page you showed some new rockets. The newer and larger one, BFR, don't appear to use the detachable boosters. Any reasons, I would have thought disposing of used tank/ engines as soon as possible would be a benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    On the previous page you showed some new rockets. The newer and larger one, BFR, don't appear to use the detachable boosters. Any reasons, I would have thought disposing of used tank/ engines as soon as possible would be a benefit.
    BFR is supposed to be a fully reusable launch vehicle, with emphasis on FULLY. Nothing gets dropped that needs to be replaced except fuel. It launches, returns to the launch site and flies again a few hours later. That's the design goal. Though it will take a while until they reach this goal.

    Though it is hard to believe even to me, they are planning commercial airline like operations where the vehicle flies maybe 10 times a day between major cities at prices many can afford. Business class ticket price or lower. Which will need airline like safety. As Elon Musk said, if the ticket states: 35 minutes from New York to Shanghai, but you may die, few would fly.

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