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    Yip SS you have it. WHy is it so hard for people to admit that they lost because man for man and as a team they they where not the best. Probably every one including Johnson did their best, but best does not always win.

    Obviously Ireland got robbed, cheated by everyone made to play up hill both half's......

    NZ would have won over England no matter what! A bunch of rugby players mid week having a p up! this is controversy? Bollocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKKBoet View Post
    How could they appoint a guy as Coach of England who had zero, zip, nada coaching experience? IMHO whoever appointed him should get the sack for incompetence.

    The problem with England is that they live in and glorify the past. Time to move on.
    He wasn't coach, he was manager, co-ordinating a big coaching team. same as Woodward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    I was there too. We beat them 27 - 3 and scored five tries. It was the first game Alan Philips played for Wales, also a debut for Clive Griffiths. Alan Martin kicked one goal. Can't remember it but he only took the very long ones. Tries were scored by Rees, Richards, Ringer and JJ.
    You forgot one, Geoff Wheel was ruled out with an injury and London Welsh's Mike Roberts made his debut that day and scored. Rees' try was a classic started by a great run from Clive Griffiths who had come on to replace JPR in what was meant to be his last test if I remember, but ended up not being so. I've been to 9 Wales England games W8 L1, the only lost being at HQ!

    My first Wales England game was 1975, but I remember zero about it, then I was there in 77 when JPR had a blinder. Funny you look back at some of he players in those England teams and you wonder why we beat them so easily year after year! The RFU were idiots, chopping and changing when something didn't go their way.

    Talking about Phillips, he got that first start after Mike Watkins had been on the bench year after year. Both Cardiff players and not great mates. Mike lives in Bangkok now, got some great stories to tell about front row antics of the day. Only man to captain Wales and win on his debut. Does a great impression of Charlie Faulkner!

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    Martin Johnson presided over the most amateur and shocking English display, on and off the field, ever.

    His tagteam wrestler approach made em a global laughing stock, and is guarenteed to take 30% off attendances for the next ten years.

    But what of his ventriloquist dummy mate Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKKBoet
    The problem with England is that they live in and glorify the past. Time to move on.
    Glad to see the Welsh don't live in the past...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKKBoet
    How could they appoint a guy as Coach of England who had zero, zip, nada coaching experience?
    I remember Johno coaching junior rugby clubs before he became Englands coach. Rugby Coaching, Rugby Coaching rugby drills skills techniques- Martin Johnson’s 8 Tips For Successful - CoachingRugby.com Newsletter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Glad to see the Welsh don't live in the past...
    That's it...... rather than take the pain....lash out at those around you who were nothing to do with your failings....

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    Here's the latest odds on Johno's replacement.

    Latest odds:
    3/1 Jim Mallinder (England)
    3/1 Graham Henry (New Zealand)
    4/1 Nick Mallett (South Africa)
    6/1 John Kirwan (New Zealand)
    14/1 Jake White (South Africa)
    16/1 Dean Ryan (England)
    20/1 Conor O'Shea (Ireland)
    25/1 Clive Woodward (England)
    25/1 Shaun Edwards (England)
    Death is natures way of telling you to slow down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Glad to see the Welsh don't live in the past...
    That's it...... rather than take the pain....lash out at those around you who were nothing to do with your failings....
    Sorry - I'll try harder the next time I play for England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Glad to see the Welsh don't live in the past...
    That's it...... rather than take the pain....lash out at those around you who were nothing to do with your failings....
    Sorry - I'll try harder the next time I play for England.
    I would rather have a sharpened stick , tipped with cobra venom, rammed up my arse than wear an England shirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    I would rather have a sharpened stick , tipped with cobra venom, rammed up my arse than wear an England shirt.
    We'll take that as a 'NO' then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    I like to have a stick rammed up my arse.
    I don't doubt it. I bet you've gone through a few of these in your time...


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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    Here's the latest odds on Johno's replacement.

    Latest odds:
    3/1 Jim Mallinder (England)
    3/1 Graham Henry (New Zealand)
    4/1 Nick Mallett (South Africa)
    6/1 John Kirwan (New Zealand)
    14/1 Jake White (South Africa)
    16/1 Dean Ryan (England)
    20/1 Conor O'Shea (Ireland)
    25/1 Clive Woodward (England)
    25/1 Shaun Edwards (England)
    Can't be that up to date.... Shaun Edwards signed a full time contract with Wales several days ago.

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    And CW has already ruled himself out (weeks ago).

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    Certainly won't be Mallett and I cannot for one second magine why Graham Henry would want it..."

    Jim Mallinder is the only real opition

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    Dean Richards, but they won't have the balls to appoint him after bloodgate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Shaun Edwards signed a full time contract with Wales several days ago.
    Means nothing nowadays, mate. He's probably chatting with the England management about a hefty new contract, as we speak...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Certainly won't be Mallett and I cannot for one second magine why Graham Henry would want it..."

    Jim Mallinder is the only real opition

    It will be Henry. He won the World Cup by the skin of his teeth. He did a generally poor job with New Zealand as some of the recent performances illustrated. He is getting on in years and the next job will be his last. England will pay him big money and he will come. He's no bloody good but the Welsh had to put up him, so why not England ?

    We'll stuff everybody next season so I don't care who they have.

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