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    The Rugby thread

    Now a dedicated thread for all things Rugby.

    Test Rugby,club Rugby...you name it.

    Shall we start by discussing the Welsh v New Zealand Test this saturday?

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    twange.

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    the real rugby thread starting soon.
    ignore this one folks.

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    Is this the gay forum that DD has been promising us?

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    ^It's not about poofball, if that's what you mean.

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    Joe Rokocoko and Graham Henry share a quiet moment during training. Ross Land / Getty Images

    'Cheat' label hounding All Blacks [+pictures]
    1.00pm Wednesday November 22, 2006
    By Daniel Gilhooly

    CARDIFF - There's that word again.
    You know there's an All Blacks rugby test looming when "cheating" enters the pre-game vernacular and it's no different ahead of Sunday morning's (NZ time) clash with Wales here.
    Welsh lock Ian Gough is the latest to highlight perceived law-bending by the All Blacks at the breakdown, following in the wake of English and French accusations around the first three tests of this tour.
    Gough spoke in admiring tones but he and the Welsh will hope the words reach inexperienced English referee Dave Pearson, who will control just his sixth test at Millennium Stadium.
    "They're pretty good at it, they get away with a lot," Gough said when asked today about New Zealand's effectiveness at turning over or slowing down opposition ball.
    "Whatever you can get away with is brilliant. If the referees can't pick up it up then you have to take your hat off and say they're doing it better than anyone else.
    "Hopefully he (Pearson) will pick it up against us but we've got to do things there to stop them cheating."
    Pearson's limited experience has seen him control internationals involving weaker nations.
    His last test was probably his biggest, five months ago when Argentina beat Wales 45-27 in Buenos Aires.
    Already on this tour England coach Andy Robinson described the All Blacks as "streetwise" at the breakdown and captain Martin Corry questioned their engagement at scrum time.
    French assistant coach Jacques Brunel upped the stakes ahead of their two tests, saying the All Blacks were given more leniency than other teams at the breakdown, and that flanker Richie McCaw was prepared to infringe countless times, knowing a small number of penalties against him would be worth it.
    Former Welsh skipper Ieuan Evans was less subtle, describing New Zealand as "the best cheaters in the world".
    This week All Blacks assistant coach Steve Hansen bemoaned the trend of putting blatant pressure on referees through the media.
    "Any team who starts talking about the referee in the paper in the leadup to a test match is doing the game a dis-service," he said.
    "He's got enough problems without putting public pressure on before the game.
    "The game's difficult enough as it is. Leave him alone to get on with the job."
    Welsh flanker Martyn Williams tried to defuse the situation when informed of Gough's comments.
    He also used the term "streetwise" but said most top teams adopt the same attitude as the All Blacks at the breakdown.
    "They know the rules of the game inside out and that shows in their play," Williams said.
    "They're not cheaters at all, they're just playing to the edge, which you should do if you're a good side."
    Williams said his team had noted how France were much more effective at the tackle against New Zealand in the second test at Paris over the weekend than they were in the 44-point blowout at Lyon a week earlier.
    All of the French players, including the backs, were prepared to contribute in that area at Paris.
    "The week before, the backs just left it to the forwards," Williams said.
    "It's not just a battle between the loose forwards, everyone contests that tackle area."
    - NZPA

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    we'll av ya.
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    ^If you throw the ball around you have a chance.drop it and we will wipe the floor with ya.

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    "How much for a good fuck?"
    "I'll do it for free if you spank me and call me Gerald"

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    ^ He is actually saying "joe,you have enough talent to play poofball.Why don't you give it a go?"

    "'cause I'm not a poof boss,evan tho I still live with my mum!"

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    I can't be fucked to read the puerile banter on this thread but I will ask Little Chukok who his team is

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    don't bother with these wankers LC


    I mean , I'll have you know - DD drinks Spey Royal!

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    ^My dear old Auntie also drinks Spey Royal..

    All Blacks gear up for wing wizard
    1.00pm Thursday November 23, 2006
    By Daniel Gilhooly

    CARDIFF - All Blacks winger Rico Gear is well aware of the challenge ahead of him in the rugby Test against Wales on Sunday morning, marking his opposite Shane Williams.
    What the diminutive Welsh rugby winger lacks in bulk and defensive presence, he more than makes up for with a potent supply of wizardry, said Gear today.
    A hattrick of tries in last year's opening test of the Grand Slam tour, won 41-3 by New Zealand, remains a vivid and pleasurable memory for Gear.
    Further opportunities may come his way again in Sunday morning's (NZT) tour-ending clash here given Williams' 1.73m, 81kg frame, which is unusually small in the modern game and identified by the All Blacks as a potential weak point in the Welsh armour.
    "Maybe defensively, we're not going to be shy to attack down there," Gear told NZPA.
    "With him he poses more of a threat as an attacker. He's really good on his feet.
    "He's probably one of the most dangerous attackers in their backline. I've done quite a bit of homework on him and I saw quite a bit of him before the Lions as well. We're definitely aware of what he's capable of."
    Williams was at his most daring in a memorable 2003 World Cup pool game at Sydney, dancing through New Zealand's defence time again before John Mitchell's shaken team eventually won 53-37.
    Strong for his size and possessing one of the biggest left foot steps in world rugby, Gear hoped his teammates would be on hand if 42-test veteran Williams -- the possessor of 28 test tries -- finds himself in space.
    "Hopefully my inside backs will be coming across to tidy up just in case," Gear smiled.
    "You'll probably also see him popping up from general play. He'll be trying to pick on some of our bigger man, looking for opportunities."
    Williams' light weight could be advantageous on the shifty conditions of a cut-up Millennium Stadium surface.
    Similar conditions didn't stop Gear bagging his career-high three tries last year. Praise for them, of course, was deflected to teammates such as fullback Mils Muliaina.
    "I was pretty lucky a couple of times there, Mils flicked the ball on and gave me a few opportunities to score a couple of tries. It'd be nice if he did that again."
    The season-long battle for All Blacks wing berths has continued to the end, with Gear -- who played in the tour-opening match against England -- bursting to perform after Joe Rokocoko and Sitiveni Sivivatu started both tests against France. This week he takes over from Rokocoko on the right wing.
    "There's not much you can do once the side's been named, you still have to sit there and watch and hope that the opportunity comes around," he said.
    "When it does you've got to be your best.
    "Being the last game of the tour you want to leave a mark and hopefully it all goes well."
    Gear agreed that little had been decided this year in terms of the pecking order of the top four wingers, including the injured Doug Howlett, and said the pressure was on to maintain standards.
    "One of the guys will play good one week and someone else will play really well the following.
    "You can't afford to fall away or slip back. You've got to take those opportunities and put in good performances from here on in until the World Cup."

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    i'm really looking forward to wales vs nz. it should be a great match (better than eng/sa, anyway). just a few points to ponder: the ref dave pearson is a good solid guy but will miss a bucketload of nz tactics and is in danger of getting flustered unless he has good touch judges.

    i'm especially looking forward to the back row battle, but wales should dominate the lineout and give the scrum a run for their money. wales are good, passionate and have home advantage, but the full nz side are, i think, the best international side i have ever seen, and may go down as such. all nz sides have a few world class players - this one has perhaps 10, imho (although if you're a kiwi you'll say 15, and if you're an aussie you'll say 2). nz by 15 but potentially a classic. wales are a bit vulnerable down the wings because of sheer size, and i'm not totally convinced about the centres.

    and to all those who accuse nz of cheating - they've always done it; they always will; they're good at it; and when my or your country do it (and they do, let's be honest) we love it. they play on the cusp of the laws and they have always led the way. rolling mauls, crash ball centres, ball carrier taking contact rather than passing before it, flying wedge, one lifter per jumper in the line - the list is seemingly endless of the things the all blacks have brought to the table. rather than moan, we should think ahead like they do.

    and england vs sa - could be interesting. england are putting out some youngsters, although i still want to see dan ward-smith play at 8. a new second row pairing might be a problem and the front row will have their work cut out against the very good john smit. jake white wants to keep his job, andy robinson is a dead man walking. eng by 5 (i hope).

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    TG,our cheating pales into insignificance with that of past English teams.They taught the world how to slow down the ball.

    As for world class players, we don't have that many...

    Dan carter,Richis mcaw and carl hayman.....and maybe Jerry Collins on his day.The rest are not that far away,but these guys are the only "givins" when GH picks the side.

    I am actually predicting that we will give the taffs a hard time in the scrums.lineouts I would call 50/50.

    If the Welsh run the ball well,then it could be a close game.If they kick it away,then the AB's will be all over them like a rash.

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    All Blacks prepare for last scrum under existing laws

    12.15pm Friday November 24, 2006
    By Daniel Gilhooly

    CARDIFF - The All Blacks will pack down in their last scrum under the existing rugby laws against Wales here on Sunday morning (NZT) but prop Carl Hayman doesn't believe change will impact on his team's mastery there.
    From January 1 all international rugby games will operate under a new, safer law introduced by the International Rugby Board in which opposing props must touch each other on the shoulder to reduce the impact of the "hit".
    New Zealand team have confirmed their place as the best scrummaging team in the world on this tour, making life particularly uncomfortable for the vaunted French front row in both test wins in France.
    Hayman said the new laws wouldn't take much adjusting too and wouldn't affect how the All Blacks went about their work.
    "I don't see it being a big change because you will still have the power element after contact," he said.
    "It will make things safer and that has to be good for the players."
    Forwards coach Steve Hansen believed his pack had made a statement in the France tests, with their dominance in the set piece impacting on the "psyche" of the French players.
    "We're very happy with the way we've scrummed here, we came out in that series," he said.
    The scrum law changes would be good for the game, Hansen believed, giving referees more clarity on their call, which would now be "crouch, touch, engage".
    The All Blacks deliberately completed a short scrummaging session today on a boggy surface today to prepare for the shifty turf at Millennium Stadium.
    Hayman hoped it wouldn't impact on the scrum battle, against a Welsh front row bookended by shaggy-haired props Duncan and Adam Jones.
    Duncan Jones admitted scrums had gone down in certain parts of the field in recent tests, requiring the referee to reset them 5m to the left or right of the disturbed area.
    Meanwhile, Hayman pronounced himself physically ready for the test, which will be his fourth from four on this tour.
    The key, as he discovered in the Super 14, was training within himself in the early part of the week to help recover from a previous game.
    "It's just being aware that it's no good playing a game in the middle of the week, and saving yourself for Saturday," said Hayman, who joins first five-eighth Daniel Carter and flanker Richie McCaw in starting every game on tour.
    "As the tour goes on, more and more the emphasis goes on getting right later in the week.
    "It's hard to keep at the same level through the whole tour."
    - NZPA

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    Gavin Henson drops to the bench and is replaced by Pontypridd's very own Kiwi.... Sonny Parker.
    Good.
    Might give Gavin a kick up his poncey little backside.

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    Hmmmmm...thaigirly....Wales should dominate the lineout.....???????

    Our lineout borders on total shite on a good day. We have few options in the backrow, though Ryan Jones is the one half decent performer from that position, our second rows can be attrocious. Sidoli (the leader) is out and so is Cockbain.....not much to be optomistic about. We will lose at least 4 on our own throw....Guaranteed.

    They could well dominate us in the scrums as well, though we have a bit of grunt there with Ian Evans and the lack of Michael Owen is usually a bonus at scrum time.

    32-15 to NZ

    Parker to me is no inside centre, and it's smacks of Gyppo having a no lose policy, I'd much rather see Henson there, bring the 'big boot' option into play if required. Wellies can't kick too far. Not sure why you'd be worried about Tom Shanklin, very very solid performer, and my personal favourite in the team.

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    chuckok - i agree and my post says as much.

    bobcock - i thought cockbain was back in, sorry. for my money, sidoli is one of the best locks wales have ever had. shame he's been blighted by injury. parker is ok but i've never been convinced by shanklin. he runs away from support and his lines aren't always what you'd want to see. henson has real potential but he needs to train more, think more and work as part of a team.

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    Sidoli is one of the best locks Wales have ever had....sadly that tells you the history of wales locks

    Same as our back rows....can anyone name a world class flanker to play for Wales?

    We small folk are designed to run around you.....

    I disagree 100% about shanklin...but we can agree to differ.

    Henson is a dedicated trainer, don't believe the hype, most written about him is nonsense, he eats well and hardly drinks whatever the tabloids tell you. The other two criticisms you have are uncontestable.....bit like scrums should be with an Aussie front row.....

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    I actually think that Martin williams is up there as a world class flanker.

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    ^he's good,but a bit small.

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    don't think you need to be that big to be a genuine openside.
    many small world class 7's in the world.
    it would be a bonus if he were uge and fast but i'm happy enough with him.

    you be in the pub tonight LC?

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    Yep,What time is kickoff?

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