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    Argentina invited to join Tri-nations.

    SANZAR has extended a conditional invitation to the PUMA'S to an annual four -nations tournament from 2012.

    This can only be good for Southern Hemisphere rugby.The two conditions are
    that must field their best players at all times,plus of course a suitable financial
    package.

    One of the ramifications of this agreement will be the mass exodus of the top
    Argentina players who usually ply their trade in Europe to play in S/A or
    Australia.With the PUMAS N/H type of play should enhance S/H rugby even more!!!!!

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    Interesting post on this very topic, 2 years ago, when it was first raised!

    How do you solve a problem like Argentina?

    Posted by Hadyn on Wednesday, 05 Sep 2007.
    Los Pumas have slowly and surely created themselves into a force in world rugby and as our poll shows many of think that they will actually come through the pool of death ahead of France and Ireland.
    The Argentineans really have been slow about their task. Rugby started in Argentina in the late 1800’s. The first match was against the British, and they lost. They kept losing to the British for a long time while, later this would become an Argentinean theme.
    It wasn’t until the 60’s that they were even called Los Pumas. The nickname is generally believed to be the result of an error made by a newsman, who followed the team during their first overseas tour ever, to South Africa in 1965. Reporters were trying to devise a catchy nickname for the team similar to existing international team nicknames such as All Blacks, Springboks, and Wallabies. One of them saw the picture of an animal on the UAR crest; however, he thought it was a puma instead of what it actually is, a jaguar. The mistake stuck, and was eventually adopted by the Argentines themselves (although the UAR crest still depicts a jaguar).
    But as slow as they have been to develop into the true top-tier nation, Los Pumas have now gained momentum and because the Argies are big boys they are going to be pretty hard to stop. And while it may be big ask for the Pumas to topple the French they may steam over the Leprechauns.
    However, the biggest task for the Pumas is after the World Cup.
    From Wikipedia:
    The Sunday Times of London reported in February 2007 that the IRB was brokering a deal with SANZAR, the body that organises the Tri Nations, to admit Los Pumas to the competition as early as 2008. The story noted that logistical issues, specifically the distance between Argentina and Europe plus fixture congestion in Northern Hemisphere rugby, caused the Six Nations to baulk at admitting Argentina. The IRB was apparently convinced that the Tri Nations was the proper place for a Southern Hemisphere team, and has reportedly found South Africa strongly supporting the move and Australia not opposed. However, The Sunday Times indicated that the biggest stumbling block may well be the UAR itself, "some of whose members are deeply attached to amateurism."
    The problem with tournament organisers is that they can’t see past a round robin style format. They also can’t see past their own bank accounts.
    Several times the Dropkicks have put forward a solution. The solution is to turn the Tri-Nations into a tour schedule instead of a globe trotting round robin. Heck, it works in cricket!
    Starting in 2008 in South Africa, 2009 in Australia, 2010 in New Zealand, 2011 in Argentina, then repeat. Nothing could be simpler. Each visiting team takes along a b-squad to play some local teams (and in Argentina this could include Uruguay) and you’ve got quite a good business model. The 2005 Lions tour showed that the rugby public like good midweek games and that they like tours. It also makes the Tri-Nations more of an event (especially for the hosting nation) and less of a chore.
    This may also fit better with the idea of a “global season” being kicked around at the moment.
    But back to the present.
    Argentina has a big ask first up in the opening match against France on the 7th in Paris, they meet Georgia (four days later!) on the 11th in Lyon, then it’s an 11 day wait to play Namibia on the 22nd in Marseille. The Argentineans final match is probably their most important (and will probably one of the best games of the pool play) and as such it is (almost) the last to be played. Los Pumas face Ireland in Paris on the 30th. Do not miss this match as it looks to be a humdinger! (and at the time of writing most of you think Ireland will lose)

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    Really?? I'm surprised, I have to say. Honestly I don't think it's the best option - the Argentine RFU is probably their own worst enemies and I don't think that in their still precarious financial position they are in a position to lure (much less retain) players away from the NH.

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    Yes I agree that the majority of quality Argentinian players have NH commitments and would not be legally (contractually) eligible to play for the National side during the Quad nations.

    Bit of a shame really and if they don't commit financially to their national side as they are an improving side and could compete on their day with the 3 best sides in the world.

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    Logistically and fiscally it just doesn't make any sense.

    Also I can't help but think that this is yet another time that the PI's have been left out in the cold.

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    BTW just heard.
    Indonesia will host the 2010 HSBC Asian 5 Nations Division 3 Tournament in Jakarta. Indonesia to take on Pakistan, Iran or Guam at "Home".

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    Hernandez is already playing for the Sharks, so that's a start! Good idea though in terms of developing their national team. Will also re-invigorate the 3N 'package' that is tending to get a bit stale. It will also level out the travel issue which is currently a bit lopsided for one of the teams!

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    I'd love to see the argies in the Tri Nations actually. The problem is the tyranny of distance- having flown Sydney to Buenos Aires myself, I can attest it is no short distance.

    Basically, I think they'd have to camp their squad in Oz for most of the season (they got brains, wouldna be NZ or sarfa). So then their best stars would be out of argie for the season. It's a big ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'd love to see the argies in the Tri Nations actually. The problem is the tyranny of distance- having flown Sydney to Buenos Aires myself, I can attest it is no short distance.

    Basically, I think they'd have to camp their squad in Oz for most of the season (they got brains, wouldna be NZ or sarfa). So then their best stars would be out of argie for the season. It's a big ask.
    Agree, Oz best location, however downside to this would be lost revenue from no home games unless other three prepared to share, and would be disappointing for Argie fans not seeing the games.

    Maybe one day . . . but personally I doubt this will happen 2012, if their team does well in 2011 World Cup the top players' value will increase and they'll be keen to sign NH contracts, I don't think tri/quad! nations would compete financially.

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    ^ No, they would have to be based in SA, that would even out the travelling issue. 2 teams bases in the east and 2 in the west.

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