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    Nelson Piquet Jnr, what an asshole

    Om the weekends I DL the qualifying because the BBC coverage is great but my news is a little late.

    Anyway I see the news that Nelson has dumped Renault right in the Doggy Doo, an attempt at blackmail or just plain malice. What a cvnt!

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    Bullshit the whole team is to blame.

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    You got inside info eh?

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    From everything I have read Nelson was just following orders.

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    You believe everything you read then?

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    Read this one yet?

    Head: Renault case test of F1's integrity
    By Jonathan Noble and Edd Straw Sunday, September 13th 2009, 08:12 GMT



    Williams co-owner Patrick Head thinks it vital for Formula 1 that Renault is dealt with 'pretty firmly' by the FIA if found guilty of fixing last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

    Ahead of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris on September 21, where Renault will answer charges that it asked Nelson Piquet to crash deliberately in Singapore to help Fernando Alonso win, Head thinks the case is a test for the integrity of the sport.

    "There were all sorts of rumours at the time, but to me it's a pretty extraordinary situation," explained Head. "Young drivers, before they have established their name in F1, are in quite a difficult position, but if young Nelson was asked to deliberately crash or spin his car, regardless of his contractual position, in my view he should have said no at the time.

    "If that did happen, then the people responsible should be dealt with pretty firmly."

    Head believes that if the FIA does not act in a strict manner over the matter then it could damage the credibility of F1 for years to come.

    "There are all sorts of ways if you are professionally going to pull the wool over the FIA that you could probably gain advantage and get away with it," he said. "If that proved to be happening in a consistent way I think rightly nobody would have any interest in Formula 1 racing because you couldn't believe what you were looking at.

    "Equally, if someone has used operational procedures to gain an advantage as has been suggested, then it needs to be dealt with quite firmly because you wouldn't believe anything that you were looking at - and you couldn't write an article saying that whoever wins the race did a fantastically good job because you'd think how were they cheating.

    "It's a complex sport. Some people say it isn't a sport. But if all the cars are designed to the same rules and the engines are to the same rules, for all the shenanigans that go on beforehand and all of the commercial deals and everything, when the lights go out at the start one would like to think that was a straightforward race."

    Head also backed FIA president Max Mosley's assertion that race-fixing is a more serious offence than straight cheating - and therefore could carry a harsher penalty than the Toyota ban from world rallying or the $100 million (USD) fine that McLaren had.

    "First of all, if the thing comes down to the word of one man against another, it might be quite difficult to provide sufficient proof to impose those sorts of penalties," he said.

    "I've got no knowledge of what information is available and how well the various parties will stand up under questioning. The thing that's emotive about it is actually a car crashing.

    "It has in the past been that one car has deliberately held up another car in order to give favour to the team-mate and that isn't very sporting. But it's hardly something on which one would impose a $100 million fine.

    "When you start going as far as requesting that one car does something that brings out the safety car, it goes to another level."

    Piquet has been guaranteed immunity for his part in the matter by the FIA, in exchange for his co-operation, and Head thinks it right that it is the team that receives punishment if it committed an offence - even though the Brazilian driver agreed to the plan.

    "Young people when they are under pressure do make mistakes," he explained. "I would put 99 per cent of the blame on the people that asked him to do that, if that's what happened.

    "Ultimately, if that's what happened and that's what he did then in my view he made a mistake to agree to do it. But young people under pressure do make mistakes and I don't necessarily think they need to be crucified as a result."

    Head also said that he was told by a journalist that Piquet first revealed the alleged plot privately shortly after the Singapore GP.

    "I became aware of a journalist who told me that he was told about it by Nelson Piquet 15 minutes after the race. It's a difficult one. If a journalist was told that by a driver he should have said: 'look, stop. If you carry on with this I will have to...'

    "As I said, we push the limits on the design of our car to as much as we can, but we don't push the limits to the point that if something were found out we'd be thrown out.

    "What I do hope is that after September 21, the FIA have raised this, I hope that what goes on in Paris and whatever punishments are handed out can be looked at and stand up to scrutiny. If the regulators of F1, which is not just the regulators of the car but the race, if they are not thought to be proper regulators then it calls into question lots of things."
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    You believe everything you read then?
    No of course not but you would have to be a total cnut to think that kid would crash his car on his own.

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    Hard to prove little bit of he said she said

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    You believe everything you read then?
    No of course not but you would have to be a total cnut to think that kid would crash his car on his own.
    Really? Why?

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    Come on KW do you really think the kid would crash his car without team orders?

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    Nope, but I can see a kid making up a story like that after an accidental crash

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Nope, but I can see a kid making up a story like that after an accidental crash
    I think either way the sad reality is that he is done as a driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    I think either way the sad reality is that he is done as a driver.
    I also think there may have been some hanky panky going on in the Renault team but really doubt they would have asked him to crash. If they wanted him out of the race lots of ways to do it.

    It is a reality he is out of F1 but he was in over his head. There are many more deserving drivers out there and just having the name and financial backing doesn't make Piquet qualified.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Nelsinho= ASSHOLE. Renault did him a huge favor by keeping him on for a second season. He's a rat fink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Nope, but I can see a kid making up a story like that after an accidental crash
    I think either way the sad reality is that he is done as a driver.
    They shat all over him anyway so he had no more career in F1, might as well bring down the saboteurs with you.. Good on him for not being a door mat... They asked him to be a team player and when he was all they did was dump on him, serves them right, been there, done that..

    Mind you I don't think he had anywhere near the potential that his father did, better he goes off to the States and drives an Indy car as they'll surely take him as will many other series he's not done yet..Just with F1 maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    If they wanted him out of the race lots of ways to do it.
    Not to get the result they wanted..Full course caution..
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    It is a reality he is out of F1 but he was in over his head. There are many more deserving drivers out there and just having the name and financial backing doesn't make Piquet qualified.
    Agreed...All too often that's not the reality in racing though, it permeates with well financed 'drivers" and not as many 'racers'.. One reason I am enjoying this F1 season so much as it is separating the chaff from the quality racers by equalizing the budgets in a significant way and I can't remember a more interesting season..

    I was so glad to see rules tailored to forcibly reduce budgets so that teams like Ferrari couldn't just out spend everyone with special tire deals and unlimited engine and drive train installs and then go out on uncontested parade laps like they did in Shumies era..
    I saw it coming and glad it was, it saved the sport..
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    Briatore in as much as admitted that the order was given, but he accepted no responsibility if Nelson obeyed it...

    The rumors began right after the race last year... Why did Alonso start on a light fuel load when 15th on the grid, when common practice is to go heavy on fuel the further back in the filed you are... The only reason was if a safety car came out right after fueling, therefore freezing the field... Guess it was just magic that Nelson crashed and brought out the safety care just as Alonso refueled...

    Nelson has pretty much implicated himself in this mess and if found guilty of a rules infraction could lose his super-license...
    Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Nope, but I can see a kid making up a story like that after an accidental crash
    I think either way the sad reality is that he is done as a driver.
    They shat all over him anyway so he had no more career in F1, might as well bring down the saboteurs with you.. Good on him for not being a door mat... They asked him to be a team player and when he was all they did was dump on him, serves them right, been there, done that..

    Mind you I don't think he had anywhere near the potential that his father did, better he goes off to the States and drives an Indy car as they'll surely take him as will many other series he's not done yet..Just with F1 maybe...
    So you agree with his actions then? Says volumes really, that aint team play, not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    They shat all over him anyway so he had no more career in F1, might as well bring down the saboteurs with you.
    Thats a very character (or lack of it) revealing comment.
    That was what the OP was about, not whether Renault asked him to crash or whether has invented it. It was about a driver pissing on his team AFTER he departs.
    He was quite happy to keep quiet when he was employed, and bear in mid Renault gave him a 2nd season when it was obvious he didn't have the required skill to be anything other than a field filler. But after hes dumped he's turned into a dirty sniveling, sqealer.
    Sure he may get a drive in that NZ / OZ/ Bras series, contested mainly in the US for some reason .

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    The truth,The whole truth nothing but the truth!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    You believe everything you read then?

    We are free to believe what we are told and there our liberies end !!!!

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    ^^That's the business world baby, welcome to it, a persons word apparently means nothing so I've been told, I agree that it showed a major lack of character on Renault's part and in the end they got what was deserved as cheaters..

    Knowledge is power and right now Piquet has the knowledge that equates to power it's called leverage and its used all of the time in business in favor of the ones who hold it. When his arrogant bosses thought they had it all, now it's being used against them boo fecking hoo! And he (or as you tired to tie me to) I lack character for that tactic? Figures you'd show your ass again in favor of the big guy getting over on the the little guy....Perspective of someone who is himself completely lacking in character on all levels..

    You're the same type of cock that would fire someone for bogus reasons to save pension payments after they gave you their all for years of faithful employ and then deny them their compensation for it and have to sue you to get anything.

    Good on Nelson for having the nads to stand up for himself and take on the establishment no one will ever care how much he did for the team and he'd never be recognized for it anyway as it's all behind closed doors and not what motorsport is built on which is a public persona, the more you talk the more I support him and the more you display your ignorance about the politics of motorsports no matter how much touring cars you dabbled in.... Obviously no one that every got to any level to know how it all really works..

    Of course you never even considered how he put his life and career in jeopardy to even crash the car did you?? Of course not....He's young and they used and influenced him to their cause and then discarded him as so much rubbish along with his career with it but of course that is ok in your feeble, character deficient mindset... Oh well that happens with age..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    ^^That's the business world baby, welcome to it, a persons word apparently means nothing so I've been told, I agree that it showed a major lack of character on Renault's part and in the end they got what was deserved as cheaters..

    Knowledge is power and right now Piquet has the knowledge that equates to power it's called leverage and its used all of the time in business in favor of the ones who hold it. When his arrogant bosses thought they had it all, now it's being used against them boo fecking hoo! And he (or as you tired to tie me to) I lack character for that tactic? Figures you'd show your ass again in favor of the big guy getting over on the the little guy....Perspective of someone who is himself completely lacking in character on all levels..

    You're the same type of cock that would fire someone for bogus reasons to save pension payments after they gave you their all for years of faithful employ and then deny them their compensation for it and have to sue you to get anything.

    Good on Nelson for having the nads to stand up for himself and take on the establishment no one will ever care how much he did for the team and he'd never be recognized for it anyway as it's all behind closed doors and not what motorsport is built on which is a public persona, the more you talk the more I support him and the more you display your ignorance about the politics of motorsports no matter how much touring cars you dabbled in.... Obviously no one that every got to any level to know how it all really works..

    Of course you never even considered how he put his life and career in jeopardy to even crash the car did you?? Of course not....He's young and they used and influenced him to their cause and then discarded him as so much rubbish along with his career with it but of course that is ok in your feeble, character deficient mindset... Oh well that happens with age..
    unreal.

    you have no honour at all.

    none.

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    ^^
    Jezus, Driven to wank, you would argue with your own shadow, the amazing thing about that is I would bet on yr shadow to win, seeing as how it would have a greater intellect.

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    The word "argument" implies that your impression or assessment is the only valid one and is correct and that's where you loose the plot..Shame too because that means you lost to me on the debate and not to my shadow so well........ The rest is self explanatory...

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    Its come to the inevitable conclusion, Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds get shafted, rightly so.
    What perplexes me is that how do two seemingly very intelligent people make such a glaring cock up.
    It was bound to come to the surface somehow.
    You would think after the Mclaren result they would have second thoughts about blatant cheating, was it hubris or stupidity?

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