View Poll Results: What's the best...NH or SHRugby?

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    Cool NH Vs SH Rugby...What's the best and why?

    Well, what's the best and why?

    Is the Northern game better than the men with skill and athletic ability from the Southern Hemisphere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
    Is the Northern game better than the men with skill and athletic ability from the Southern Hemisphere?
    Is it even different?

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    I can see that a cross dresser has posted his preference already!

    I am off the Bangkok now and I will return directly to offer my detailed opinion.

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    ^^Yep.Big lumbering forwards in the NH game and backs that don't know how to pass a ball...they are good at kicking though.

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    ^Whatever it takes!

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    I prefer the style of NH rugby, but in general the SH teams get the results (unless it's NZ in the WC).

    SH is too much like League for my liking; there's not enough distinction between the backs and the forwards.

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    ^ The game is all about running and passing imo.The more running..(which is what most people want to see? ) You want to grow the game, then you have to make it exciting don't you?

    I'm sure that William Web-Ellis had that idea when he 'kicked' things off?

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    SH rugby, hands down.

    Faster, more skilful, just plain better.

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    Do all NH teams play the same way?

    France and Wales both play with the ball in hand, there are no finer backs in the world that France's when they are on song. If you don't see that you watch the game with your eyes closed.

    Ireland tend to run with the ball as well.

    Is this just a(mother) one eyed post about the English?...just to clarify like.

    LC....how many Celtic league and French League games have you seen in the last five years?

    For the record, I'd say the SH teams play a bit more running rugby, but nowhere near as much more as they'd like to think. Conditions certainly suit running rugby more in SA and parts of Australia. However you don't see quite as much running rugby in the wind and rain at the Cake Tin.

    Personally I don't care what type of game it is. I love rugby, I prefer it to be close and exciting. That doesn't have to be running rugby, forwards have a major part to play, or should people like Pinetree, Kirkpatrick, Shelford be phased out of the game for fancy dans in the backs??

    Question to SH types, it's windy and rainy and you are playing a team you'd love to beat. Do you play to the conditions or do you sling it about and lose?

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    For the record, I'd say the best backs in the last 10 years have been Australia's. Of course they haven't played so well since they decided that scrums are just a method of restarting the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    , it's windy and rainy and you are playing a team you'd love to beat.
    You have a point there. But SH rugby is still a more free flowing game than NH- and lets face it, thats what the punter wants to see. Not because of a dearth of quality forwards either (except for Australia), in fact I'd say the boks are the best forward pack of all right now, even though they are dirty bastards!
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    I'd agree, the Boks are without a doubt the best forward pack at the moment...their line out is supreme in the world game.

    thats what the punter wants to see
    I want to see a balanced game and the conditions often dictate the game plan. Great forward play is just as much fun to watch. I tend to think that people who only focus on the backs have never played and have no clue what is actually going on up front.

    Ask the Bok fans if they enjoyed seeing their front row dick the Lions front row for the first 55 minutes of the first test....Too fucking right they enjoyed it, more than any try scored in the game!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    ^^Yep.Big lumbering forwards in the NH game and backs that don't know how to pass a ball...they are good at kicking though.
    55555....I missed this first time....what a rotten stinky fish to stick on a hook....keep dangling.

    Ladies and Gentlemen...I give you Grant Fox, the man who greatest contribution to backs being superior to forwards was ending Buck Shelford's international career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    For the record, I'd say the best backs in the last 10 years have been Australia's. Of course they haven't played so well since they decided that scrums are just a method of restarting the game.
    I would have to agree with you Bob on that one and green sent! You do know your Rugby after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Question to SH types, it's windy and rainy and you are playing a team you'd love to beat.
    Have you ever seen a game played in NZ?

    Probably the bleakest, coldest, windy place in the world for most of the All Black tests.

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    You never asked before.....you'd have heard all of that and more if you'd actually taken part in the debate you started.....

    Your forwards are average though, Jeez even Wales have taken them apart twice......but then you'd know that.

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    Yep the forwards have been shit and we still were competitive.

    I would love to see the present Aussie side shape against you Taffy's.

    Bobcock quote: Jeez even Wales have taken them apart twice.

    Mate you can just imagine my shock and horror when I experienced that as well! WTF...... Wales and all...........What a shame..........Hang your heads !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Question to SH types, it's windy and rainy and you are playing a team you'd love to beat.
    Have you ever seen a game played in NZ?

    Probably the bleakest, coldest, windy place in the world for most of the All Black tests.
    No I haven't, do they play the game there?

    However you don't see quite as much running rugby in the wind and rain at the Cake Tin.
    Again you don't actually answer the rather interesting question put to you.

    Lets start by discussing the most recent NH v SH test series which was played in some poor conditions. Your thoughts on that?
    Last edited by Bobcock; 14-07-2009 at 06:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Again you don't actually answer the rather interesting question put to you.
    You seem obsessd that I have not answered a question.

    I made a claim in another thread that SH Rugby was superior too NH Rugby and many reasons have been suggested why but at the end of the day look at the results particularly over the last 20 years.

    This last Lion's tour was another example with your lot going home with a loss.

    What are you actually alluding too Bob because quite frankly you have left me slightly bemused.

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    Well...in a debate people put forward opinions and discuss certain issues, often a question is asked to assess what someone feels about something so a counter arguement may be put forward or an agreement reached.

    You however seem to choose to ignore any questions and repeat the same mantra about looking at the scoreboard. The scoreboard is undeniable, but no one is debating who won the most games so I don't know why you keep referring to it.

    Running rugby v forward dominated game has nothing to do with results, otherwise when England wiped the floor with the SH in 2000 - 2003 then forward dominated rugby would have been better n'est pa?

    I wanna take this debate places, maybe open the other eye for you....you seem frightened to proceed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    when England wiped the floor with the SH in 2000 - 2003 then forward dominated rugby would have been better n'est pa?
    I have tried to find those results, now that you have finally referred to results (which you have conveniently continued to ignore.......oh except for the Welsh wins against the Aussies) and if you have them.... England against SH teams and during that period I would appreciate if you would post them.

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    But hey lets play your game, though unfortunately in the wrong thread, this should be in the other debate because I do concede it is not relevant to this debate.

    Without typing out all the results, at the height of Woodwardism, that brand of rugby you laughingly said other nations copied and almost killed the world game, between June 2000 and Nov 2003 England played as I remember 11 games against the Southern Hemisphere teams of New Zealand, Australia and south Africa.

    how many did they lose?

    And if they batted above 50%, would the scoreboard prove they were the better team?

    If they were, why didn't the world Game die rather than having it's most successful period bar none?
    Last edited by Bobcock; 14-07-2009 at 06:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    You seem obsessd that I have not answered a question.
    not obsessed, just pointing out that time and time again you don't answer questions. I suspect complete lack of knowledge is the reason.

    Lack of knowledge.....hmmmm...nice one, lets see how many posts it'll take for you to use those three words against me? That seems to be your tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I have tried to find those results
    Google beyond you?

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    Sorry - not that easy to read, but you should be able to work it out (except why we lost to the sweaties).

    List of England national rugby union team - Results 2000–2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Opposing Teams For Against Date

    Ireland 50 18 05/02/2000
    France 15 9 19/02/2000
    Wales 46 12 04/03/2000
    Italy 59 12 18/03/2000
    Scotland 13 19 02/04/2000
    South Africa 13 18 17/06/2000
    South Africa 27 22 24/06/2000
    Australia 22 19 18/11/2000
    Argentina 19 0 25/11/2000
    South Africa 25 17 02/12/2000

    Wales 44 15 03/02/2001
    Italy 80 23 17/02/2001
    Scotland 43 3 03/03/2001
    France 48 19 07/04/2001
    Canada 22 10 02/06/2001
    Canada 59 20 09/06/2001
    U.S.A. 48 19 16/06/2001
    Ireland 14 20 20/10/2001
    Australia 21 15 10/11/2001
    Romania 134 0 17/11/2001
    South Africa 29 9 24/11/2001

    Scotland 29 3 02/02/2002
    Ireland 45 11 16/02/2002
    France 15 20 02/03/2002
    Wales 50 10 23/03/2002
    Italy 45 9 07/04/2002
    Argentina 26 18 22/06/2002
    New Zealand 31 28 09/11/2002
    Australia 32 31 16/11/2002
    South Africa 53 3 23/11/2002

    France 25 17 15/02/2003
    Wales 26 9 22/02/2003
    Italy 40 5 09/03/2003
    Scotland 40 9 22/03/2003
    Ireland 42 6 30/03/2003
    New Zealand 15 13 14/06/2003
    Australia 25 14 21/06/2003
    Wales 43 9 23/08/2003
    France 16 17 30/08/2003
    France 45 14 06/09/2003


    World Cup Matches...

    Georgia 84 6 12/10/2003
    South Africa 25 6 18/10/2003
    Samoa 35 22 26/10/2003
    Uruguay 111 13 02/11/2003
    Wales 28 17 09/11/2003
    France 24 7 16/11/2003
    Australia 20 17 22/11/2003


    Summary...

    Played 47
    Won 42
    Lost 5

    Against SH Teams...

    Played 16
    Won 15
    Lost 1


    OK - carry on...

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