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    Lions Tour of South Africa 2009.

    First it was Tomas O'Leary and now Tom Shanklin is out of the tour. 2 key players out, who is going to take their place? We need to get together before the 30th May.


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    I wouldn't call O'Leary key, frankly i wouldn't have picked him (oe ellis) over Blair and Peel.

    Shanklin is a far bigger loss and there is not an obvious replacement who bring what he does to the table.I'd personally replace him with James Hook, but that is more to do with the lack of options and the other things Hook does bring with him.

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    SA aren't doing too well themselves; Butch James, Conrad Jantjies (definite) and Francoir Steyn (probably) all out with leg/knee injuries.

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    De Villiers is out of the First test as well I heard.

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    I reckon the Lion's Tour is now a waste of time as do some of the star's that formally would of bent over backwards to be part of the Tour.

    As per the results of the last 6 nations prooves those lesser national sides now are good enough to stand alone against the best sides in the world and this British team amalgamation tour is overkill IMO.

    They normally get their Lion arses whipped as well!

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    Loy Toy.

    For once you are tallking pure unadulterated bollocks.

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    ^ What, I am allowed to do so every now and then like the rest of us.

    I liken the Lions tour a bit like the Davis Cup where the best players don't really have the time or the inclination to take part in it any more.

    Why else, and as per your observation would some of the stars be dropping out.

    I am sure they are feeling enough is enough and they need the time to recover from the injuries that most of these guys are playing with through-out the normal rep and domestic season.

    I would in turn prefer to see a Northern Hemisphere/ Southern Hemisphere, 6 nation verses 4 Nation (All Blacks, Wallabies, Springboks and Pumas) test series.

    Best players from both hemisphere's locking horns and then you would also see the Argentinians become involved.

    Then you would see an equilibrium and with regards to different playing styles from both sides having to fuse together.

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    looking forward to some great games
    Physical rugby against the boks

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    Yeah, 1 month to go. I am going back to catch some games; will be in Durban to watch the Sharks game and the first Test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I liken the Lions tour a bit like the Davis Cup where the best players don't really have the time or the inclination to take part in it any more. Why else, and as per your observation would some of the stars be dropping out.
    Sorry??...who has dropped out due to lack of interest??

    O'Leary broke his ankle and Shanklin requires reconstructive shoulder surgery having sustained a nasty dislocation last Friday.

    I would in turn prefer to see a Northern Hemisphere/ Southern Hemisphere, 6 nation verses 4 Nation (All Blacks, Wallabies, Springboks and Pumas) test series.
    Replace 100 years of tradition with a completely manufactured idea with no passion or interest at all.

    Lions tours are the pinnacle, you have made many statements of how they mean nothing, I'd love to see you provide some back up.

    Tom Shanklin on his withdrawal due to disinterest
    Shanklin added: "I sort of realised... the night of the game [and] the following morning that it wasn't looking great for me and then it [a scan] sort of just confirmed what I really thought.
    "And I'm desperately disappointed. It happened four years ago for the New Zealand tour.
    it is still the highlight of any Britsh / Irish players career to be a Lion.

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    Oh edit to my original post about Shanklin.

    Gordon D'Arcy is the obvious replacement, though I personally don't rate him as highly as some others.

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    1971New Zealand John Dawes Carwyn James Barry John, 30Won2-1 (with 1 draw)

    1974South Africa Willie John McBride Syd Millar Phil Bennett, 25Won3-0 (with 1 draw)

    1977New Zealand & Fiji Phil Bennett John Dawes Phil Bennett, 18Lost
    Lost1-3 (New Zealand)
    0-1 (Fiji)1980South Africa Bill Beaumont Noel Murphy Tony Ward, 18Lost1-31983New Zealand Ciaran Fitzgerald Jim Telfer Ollie Campbell, 15Lost0-41986"Rest of World" Colin Deans Mick DoyleLost0-11989Australia Finlay Calder Ian McGeechanWon
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    1-0 (France)1993New Zealand Gavin Hastings Ian McGeechanLost1-21997South Africa Martin Johnson Ian McGeechan Neil Jenkins, 41Won2-12001Australia Martin Johnson Graham HenryLost1-22005New Zealand Brian O'Driscoll
    Sir Clive Woodward Jonny Wilkinson, 31Lost
    Draw0-3 (NZ)
    Drawn (Argentina)2009South Africa Paul O'Connell
    Ian McGeechan
    Note : Philip Matthews captained the Lions in their victory against France in Paris. The game form

    Not an impressive record over the last 30 odd years and I would say they will cop another hammering from the Yarpies this tour Bob!

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    Sorry...what did this prove, it had me a bit confused.

    Lets have alook since 1971, a scratch team goes to play on of rugby's 3 power houses (as they keep telling us). Sure sometimes they don't gel as a unit, it's a huge task for a coach and without the right man for the job like last time, things can go wrong.

    In 10 series they have won 4. I'd say that's a fair record.

    They beat the World Champion Jarpies last time they were there.

    Most opposition players die for the chance to play against them, now they come only every 12 years.

    Waffle all you like, The Lions is one of rugbys great traditions, their travelling support is huge, remember the efforts Australia made in 2001 to keep them out of the stadiums after being embarrassed they were being completely outnumbered at Suncorp.

    I'm still waiting for an example of someone who didn't want to go on the tour or who thinks the Lions are pointless. Their playing record (away from home against the best teams in the world adds nothing to your (losing) arguement).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    The Lions is one of rugbys great traditions, their travelling support is huge, remember the efforts Australia made in 2001 to keep them out of the stadiums after being embarrassed they were being completely outnumbered at Suncorp
    I am 100% behind BC on this, in fact I have just finished reading a book "History of the British and Irish Lions" in which the last tour was the 2001. A great read and insight into what goes on; good and bad.

    If anyone wants to have a read let me know

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    OK.............. OK maybe I was being a lttle over the top but I would certainly like to see a best of from each hemisphere playing a series of tests.

    The point I was making really is they have not performed all that well, and as you said throwing a team of individuals together doesn't always work and yes I was at Suncorp that evening and I can truly say the atmosphere was electric and with all the Brits there.

    I still think they are going to get their arses kicked by the Yarpies though. I could be wrong of course and I hope I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I still think they are going to get their arses kicked by the Yarpies though
    I agree, but as it comes out in the book, they have to go down fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    OK.............. OK maybe I was being a little over the top
    "Mission over" Bobcock

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    Nice climb down Loy Toy, though with you having been at SunCorp I am even more disturbed by your attitude.

    Getting a hiding that night hurt didn't it, and without the injuries we would have cruised that series!!!

    Nathan Fucken Grey is still a Grade A tosser in my book.
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    ^ I might take you up on that offer mate and with regard to the book.

    As mentioned I was at Suncorp the night O'Driscoll and Martin Johnson whipped our arses and the support from the travelling Brits was absolutely mega.

    A great night out in town afterwards and I cannot remember hearing about one bad instance of thugery so I cannot understand why the aussies would want to keep such fantastic supporters out of the grounds.

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    Naas Botha is in town for a coaching clinic and dinner on June 6th for the club I coach with. (Must be a kicking clinic!!!)

    Owen Finnegan will be there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Nathan Fucken Grey is still a Grade a tosser in my book.
    Now, now Bob you won the debate and you don't have to start getting nasty now................. or showing your true colours?

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    15 Love !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Naas Botha is in town for a coaching clinic and dinner on June 6th for the club I coach with
    ^BC...is the dinner a private affair or can we get tickets?

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    The coaching clinic is essentially private, but anyone interested could come along and view. Ant Robertson did last year when Buck Shelford was there.

    The dinner is no problem, we are desperate to sell tickets. I'll post all the details up later. Enough want to join, I'd put a Teak Door table together or at least combine so TDers onto my table.

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    I wondered when Klongy was going to join the thread, welcome

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