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    Four years of glory or world cup?

    If you had the choice, would you rather your team had four years of winning or to take home a world cup?

    Four years of slaughtering the Aussies in the Ashes, or a cricket world cup?
    Four years of Euro championships/F.A cups, or the poofball world cup?
    Four years of humbling the All Blacks in the Bledisloe, or the WC?
    Four years of winning the world series, or... um... whatever the Yanks play for.

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    Honestly, the four years of glory. World Cups are great but at the end of the day all they really are is a measure of who did best in a particular tournament (usually knock-out at that) which is not always the same as being the best team.

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    Hmmm... I wonder why the Kiwis are juxtaposed to the rest of the rugby world on this matter...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B
    Four years of slaughtering the Aussies in the Ashes,
    That would be a wonderful dream, to win and then retain the ashes 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Hmmm... I wonder why the Kiwis are juxtaposed to the rest of the rugby world on this matter...?
    As much as I'd like to claim to speak for the entirity of New Zealand I highly doubt I do.

    If it came down to a choice of being knocked-out of a tournament once every 4yrs but winning most everything else in-between or winning the tournament and being mediocre before and after it then I'd always take the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B
    Four years of slaughtering the Aussies in the Ashes, or a cricket world cup?
    2 different sports, so irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    If it came down to a choice of being knocked-out of a tournament once every 4yrs but winning most everything else in-between or winning the tournament and being mediocre before and after it then I'd always take the former.
    Of course you would, you don't have a sports culture that emphasises a single event being the pinnacle of sporting achievement, such as the Olympics or Footy WC like we do in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Of course you would, you don't have a sports culture that emphasises a single event being the pinnacle of sporting achievement, such as the Olympics or Footy WC like we do in Europe.
    NZ competes in the Olympics you know, rather well at that.

    Anyways it's an odd way to emphasise the pinnacle in my opinion. I'm pretty sure, for example, that the best team in the world doesn't always win the Footy WC. It's like playing my mate back home in 10 games of pool, losing 9 of them, and claiming the 10th victorious one as the definative measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    I'm pretty sure, for example, that the best team in the world doesn't always win the Footy WC.
    Usually, but not always. But, they have to beat the best to win it and that's what makes it special.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    It's like playing my mate back home in 10 games of pool, losing 9 of them, and claiming the 10th victorious one as the definative measure.
    No. It's nothing like that. You can't win a WC if you only win one match. Has Stroller got your password or summit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Usually, but not always. But, they have to beat the best to win it and that's what makes it special.
    But not always; what if the 'best' is on the other side of the draw and gets knocked out? For a rugby example look at 2003 where England and NZ were clearly the two best teams going in - England won without facing NZ.

    Actually '07 is an even better example. Not even the staunchest England supporter would've thought they were the 2nd best team in the world going into the tournament.
    No. It's nothing like that. You can't win a WC if you only win one match. Has Stroller got your password or summit?
    You know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Not even the staunchest England supporter would've thought they were the 2nd best team in the world going into the tournament.
    I totally agree. That's why the win over Australia was so sweet.

    If you ever get to win the WC (pro era) I'm sure you'll see things differently.

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    World cup, England football; I don't want to die without seeing us lift that cup but inevitably will

    World Cup, Rugby - would love to see Wales lift that cup for such a small nation

    It's tough being half Welsh/English

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    If you ever get to win the WC (pro era) I'm sure you'll see things differently.
    No denying it would be great but it wouldn't change my perspective on things - all it means is that we'd won a knock-out tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pot
    It's tough being half Welsh/English
    Oh my God! I spoke to you once. And to think...you're...you're...a Welshy.

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    Swansea and proud

    English football

    Welsh Rugby

    Coventry city FC and Swansea FC

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    And before I forget, we had the 4 years of glory too, before the '03 WC, but beating everyone in every competition was nothing compared to winning the WC for my and most other Poms I know.

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    Definatley, will never forget England picking up the Rugby WC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    but beating everyone in every competition was nothing compared to winning the WC for my and most other Poms I know.
    Fair enough. You've yet to beat NZ at a WC though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    You've yet to beat NZ at a WC though.
    At least we've won it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    You've yet to beat NZ at a WC though.
    At least we've won it.
    Hoary. Old. Chestnut.

    Don't make me crack out the win/loss ratio on you, I'll do it!

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    Cup, ant, cup. Kiwi hands yet still to behold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pot View Post
    Cup, ant, cup. Kiwi hands yet still to behold
    Three words for you:

    Nineteen, Eighty, Seven.


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    I care about my club. It's the only thing that matters.

    I'm staying in tonight to listen/watch the 4th round Scottish Cup derby against Hibs. Total commitment to the cause.

    Fuck international sport of any kind. Total tosswank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    Fuck international sport of any kind. Total tosswank.
    Yeah, I'd probably feel that way too if I were Scottish.
    I care about my club. It's the only thing that matters.
    Ahh nothing quite like the 'world view' of provincialism, eh Tud.

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    Hearts fan ^

    I like Hearts for no reason whatsoever - bought thier shirt in Edinburgh when I went last.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud
    Fuck international sport of any kind. Total tosswank.
    As your a Scot I understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Nineteen, Eighty, Seven.
    What about it? That was 4 years before the first proper World Cup.

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