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Old 10-01-2008, 03:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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England RFU Poach from the Pacific Islands. Again.
When will this wanton rape of natural rugby playing talent end!? England clearly have no desire to see the game grow and are playing cheque-book rugby. The pillaging of players like Mauger, Van Gisbergen, McAllister, and too many other names to mention is a disgrace. And now this:

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12:00PM Thursday January 10, 2008


LONDON - After seeing their World Cup ambitions destroyed by former All Black wing Jonah Lomu, England will take particular pleasure in including the latest "new Jonah" in their Six Nations squad.

Like the outstanding player at the 1995 and 1999 World Cups, Lesley Vainikolo is a giant wing of Tongan/New Zealand descent who made his name in rugby league before switching to union at the start of this season with Gloucester.

Any question marks disappeared within his first 80 minutes last September, two days after England were thumped 36-0 by South Africa in the World Cup, as he racked up five tries to announce the crossover of "The Volcano" in the most emphatic way possible.

After just eight more games England coach Brian Ashton had seen enough to include the 28-year-old in his Six Nations squad, for which he qualifies by residency having moved to England six years ago to play league for Bradford.

"I first saw him about five years ago playing rugby league and there was a bit of a wow factor then," Ashton said on Wednesday when revealing his 32-man group.

"When he switched it was interesting to see if he would take time to adjust. It's not quite been a seamless conversion but not far off as he's played union as a youngster. He's been a seriously good addition to the Gloucester team."

Asked exactly what Vainikolo would bring to an England squad not short of quality on the wings, Ashton waxed in unusually lyrical terms.
"He's different, we've never seen an England winger like him that's for sure. He's got an X-factor and players with an X-factor in the international game are pretty important," he said.

"He's powerful, explosive but he's a good footballer with good footwork and he's not been caught out defensively," added the Wigan-born coach, a lifetime admirer of the 13-man game.

"He's a try scorer, a threat all over the field, pretty quick as well. But he's not only your traditional powerhouse winger, he's intelligent. I've seen him play centre and he's certainly a pretty good all-round package."
For some union purists, however, even that glowing testimonial was not good enough. "Aren't you worried about his lack of a kicking game?" Ashton was asked of the former 10.8 seconds 100 metres runner, who was good enough to compete in the world junior athletics championships 11 years ago.

"Why would you want an 18 stone 6ft 2in player to kick the ball away?" answered the exasperated coach, who was similarly dismissive on fears over the condition of Vainikolo's knees. "Dodgy knees? You ought to talk to those who play against him and have to try to stop him.".

Ashton said his latest acquisition was very excited about the prospect of joining up with England ahead of their opening Six Nations game against Wales at Twickenham on Feb 2, though the final confirmation of his eligibility has yet to arrive from the Tongan union.
- REUTERS
There's only one word for it: POACHERS!!!!!
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There's only one word for it: POACHERS!!!!!
I agree.

Seen some footage of Vainiloko.

He should be poisoned before February the 4th for Wales' sake.
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I agree.
You're Welsh, you would... Sinkinson, Parker, Howarth... those names ring any bells!? POACHERS!!
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no bells at all I'm afraid.

sound like Scots.
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When will this wanton rape of natural rugby playing talent end!? England clearly have no desire to see the game grow and are playing cheque-book rugby. The pillaging of players like Mauger, Van Gisbergen, McAllister, and too many other names to mention is a disgrace. And now this:

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Asked exactly what Vainikolo would bring to an England squad not short of quality on the wings, Ashton waxed in unusually lyrical terms.
"He's different, we've never seen an England winger like him that's for sure. He's got talent and in England,we lack talent.
- REUTERS
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Have Paul Tito, Xaviar Rush, Marty Hollah and that scrum half chap been playing in Wales long enough for a cap yet?
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Elsie is clearly suffering from post world cup meltdown.
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Sinkinson, Parker, Howarth
no bells at all I'm afraid.

sound like Scots.
No the Scots poached Brendan Laney (snigger), the Leslie brothers, and that rather forgettable fullback from NZ. the aforementioned names are amongst those in the Hall of Shame that Wales has poached (which also includes our coaches).

When will this Northern Hemisphere pillage of rugby talent stop!?!
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A Kiwi accusing people of poaching Pacific Islanders, that's just too funny to take seriously.
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and that scrum half chap
got it.
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A Kiwi accusing people of poaching Pacific Islanders, that's just too funny to take seriously.
we've had this argument before and the kiwis have clearly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have never poached a single player.
not one.
all of their players are and always were 100% kiwi.
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A Kiwi accusing people of poaching Pacific Islanders, that's just too funny to take seriously.
A) Obviously it's escaped your attention but New Zealand is a 'Pacific Island(s)';

B) You're kinda missing the point of this thread, that being exactly what you've alluded to yourself, the ceaseless (and baseless) accusations of poaching emminating from our NH friends;

C) Who have they poached?
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B) Who have they poached?
yipee.
here we go..
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An old classic to start the year.

Looks like you got one fish on the line ant, you gonna toy with him and his feeble lack of knowledge or it the Gray Nicholls straight on the bonce??
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^ Yes, good lad that Collins boy. Raised in NZ and learnt his rugby there. Not like Vaunuokolo with England for example...

No actually a lot like him, He was also raised in NZ and learnt his rugby there. Issac Boss with Ireland maybe? Hmmm, nope... etc etc ad infinitum.
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England’s choice of Lesley Vainikolo continues a trend that is legal - but it is morally wrong


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A few of the older England rugby players tell a story about the build-up to the 2002 autumn international against New Zealand at Twickenham. On the eve of