Aus vs India 2007

**sabang** · 09-01-2008, 06:59 AM

This is getting ugly. My answer- sack Ponting, but do not uphold the appeal. It requires more to be a good captain than to be a good cricketer, and Australia's on field behaviour in the Sydney test was appalling. Not for the first time.

Peter Roebuck, the SMH's respected cricket correspondent, agree's. As for me, I think India are a bunch of primadonna's, and their cricket board a bunch of populist bullies (with their eyes firmly on power and the almighty buck)- but several of their grievances are legitimate.

"Arrogant Ponting must be fired

The Australian captain's disrespect for his opponents has embarrassed his country, writes Peter Roebuck.

RICKY PONTING must be sacked as captain of the Australian cricket team. If Cricket Australia cares a fig for the tattered reputation of our national team in our national sport, it will not for a moment longer tolerate the sort of arrogant and abrasive conduct seen from the captain and his senior players over the past few days. Beyond comparison it was the ugliest performance put up by an Australian side for 20 years. The only surprising part of it is that the Indians have not packed their bags and gone home. There is no justice for them in this country, nor any manners.

.... In the past few days Ponting has presided over a performance that dragged the game into the pits. He turned a group of professional cricketers into a pack of wild dogs. As much can be told from the conduct of his closest allies in the team.

That the senior players in the Australian team are oblivious to the fury they raised among many followers of the game in this country and beyond merely confirms their own narrow and self-obsessed viewpoint. Doubtless they were not exposed to the messages that poured in from distressed enthusiasts aghast to see the scenes of bad sportsmanship and triumphalism presented at the SCG during and after the Test. Pained past players rang to express their disgust. It was a wretched and ill-mannered display and not to be endured from any side, let alone an international outfit representing a proud sporting nation."

This from an Australian cricket correspondent.

Full article- Arrogant Ponting must be fired - Cricket - Sport - smh.com.au

**sabang** · 09-01-2008, 07:08 AM

More-

Sport legends slam Aussie cricket team - Breaking News - Sport - Breaking News

Sport legends slam Aussie cricket team

A group of sporting legends plan to complain to Cricket Australia that the behaviour of Ricky Ponting's cricket team is damaging Australia's international reputation.

**Troubled** · 09-01-2008, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

This is getting ugly. My answer- sack Ponting, but do not uphold the appeal. It requires more to be a good captain than to be a good cricketer, and Australia's on field behaviour in the Sydney test was appalling. Not for the first time.

Peter Roebuck, the SMH's respected cricket correspondent, agree's.
This from an Australian cricket correspondent.

Full article- Arrogant Ponting must be fired - Cricket - Sport - smh.com.au

If they do not uphold the appeal then I can see the Indians walking (flying) out.
Perhaps that is why a complaint has been made against Hogg . You lose one we lose one everyone leaves with their "honour".

However as has been pointed out in several posts it will all come down to money imo.
If the tour is cancelled it will hurt financiallly especially the Australian Board.

Roebuck is English. I hope that this has not coloured his opinion.

What i found more interesting was the readers poll in one of the Australian newspapers quoting a substantial majority wanting Ponting sacked and a majority of the opinion that the Australian team had not played the game fairly

**sabang** · 09-01-2008, 07:15 AM

As per your last paragraph, I don't think we can level any accusation of bias because Roebuck is a pom. The whole nation, except the rabid types, is up in arms about their cricket teams behaviour.

Given the Aussie love of winning on the sports field, that says something.

**Ukan Kizmiaz** · 09-01-2008, 07:19 AM

^ bollox

Originally Posted by sabang

Peter Roebuck, the SMH's respected cricket correspondent

more bollox

Originally Posted by sabang

Pained past players rang to express their disgust.

Who? more bollox.

Many including Clive Lloyd and the SAfrican Manager are pissed off that the umpires have been made the fall guys. I agree that they should be dropped - for their woeful performance, but at the moment it looks like they were dropped because the Indians wanted them out, and that sets a dangerous precedent.

The aussies need to have a look at the way they are going about it and porr winners are worse than bad losers, but the Indians are acting like petulant children.

**sabang** · 09-01-2008, 07:27 AM

Sounds like you're one of the Rabid's then.

You just need to google Sydney Morning Herald, and/or follow the links above, to check the veracity, and variety, of my sources. The Aussie press is full of it- seven of todays ten most read articles are about the Sydney test and it's ramifications.

P.s:- the Sydney Morning Herald, commenting on a Sydney test, that Australia won.

The Ump's have been made the fall guys, but they wilted under Australian pressure- this is top level cricket, and they should be held accountable for their performance under pressure. Sack Ponting, but keep the BCCI firmly in it's place.

**Troubled** · 09-01-2008, 07:41 AM

The readers poll I was refering to came from The Telegraph I think. i had a quick look on the www and it appears to be a tabloid type of newspaper.
In the Uk tabloids tend to be fairly nationalistic.
Is this the same in Australia?
If so it makes the results more intersting or is it a case of anti-cricket.

I browsed through some of the readers comments to the report that Tendulkar was the instigator of "reverse the decsion or we go home" and opinions seemed to be 50/50 as to who was in the right.

The most amusing comment was this

"Talking about boycotts, I call on ALL Australians to boycott every uninvited phone call they get from call centres in India, starting immediately. We should politely tell the caller we will refuse to business with any company employing Indian call centres until this matter is settled, and ask that the caller explain this to their supervisor."

**sabang** · 09-01-2008, 07:51 AM

^ The SMH, along with the Australian and Melbourne Age are probably Australia's most respected newspapers.

**William** · 09-01-2008, 02:24 PM

An interesting letter in one of the papers today (think it was the SMH) read along these lines:

- The BCCI does not speak for all Indians
- If the term "monkey" was used, this was unacceptable, even by Indian standards
- During the investigation, two Indians gave an account that the term was not used. One was the alleged offender, the other was a certain S. Tendualker (sp). Regardless of whether or not you believe the alleged offender's word, Mr. Tendualker states he neither heard the term nor believes it was said. In the view of the writer, the Match referee wasn't taking an Australian's word over an Indian's word, the Match referee was taking the word of an Australian over that of Mr. Tendualker. That, in the opinion of the writer, equated taking the word of an Australian (or group of Australians) against one of the finest cricketers of this age.

I read that and thought to myself: "if Singh says it didn't say it, well he would. If Tendualker is willing to SMS text the BCCI and say, essentially, that he is not willing to play in Perth because his word is not being taken, then that puts a slightly different spin on things."

I wouldn't trust Singh as far as I could throw him. But if Tendualker says "I give you my word...", then that's good enough for me.

Flame away.

**MeMock** · 09-01-2008, 02:56 PM

JUST when it seemed things were improving for the Indian cricket team, their bus has been involved in what's being reported as a "hit and run".

Sydney's Radio station 2UE this morning reports that the Indian team bus has clipped a parked Mercedes Benz as it was leaving the Radisson Hotel in Sydney but failed to stop.

The station has also put to air a caller who says they saw the incident, which is believed to have occurred between 10.30 and 11am.

However, the Indian team's management is denying the report.

When The Daily Telegraph contacted the Indian team's media manager, Dr M.V. Sridhar, he said: "I am on the bus. We didn't hit anything."

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2008, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Troubled

Perhaps that is why a complaint has been made against Hogg . You lose one we lose one everyone leaves with their "honour".

hmmm, except he allegedely called them bastards, nothing to do with race or religion....

Originally Posted by Ukan Kizmiaz

^ bollox Quote: Originally Posted by sabang Peter Roebuck, the SMH's respected cricket correspondent more bollox Quote: Originally Posted by sabang Pained past players rang to express their disgust. Who? more bollox. Many including Clive Lloyd and the SAfrican Manager are pissed off that the umpires have been made the fall guys. I agree that they should be dropped - for their woeful performance, but at the moment it looks like they were dropped because the Indians wanted them out, and that sets a dangerous precedent. The aussies need to have a look at the way they are going about it and porr winners are worse than bad losers, but the Indians are acting like petulant children.

THANK GOD someone has some sense.

Originally Posted by sabang

Sounds like you're one of the Rabid's then. You just need to google Sydney Morning Herald, and/or follow the links above, to check the veracity, and variety, of my sources. The Aussie press is full of it- seven of todays ten most read articles are about the Sydney test and it's ramifications. P.s:- the Sydney Morning Herald, commenting on a Sydney test, that Australia won. The Ump's have been made the fall guys, but they wilted under Australian pressure- this is top level cricket, and they should be held accountable for their performance under pressure. Sack Ponting, but keep the BCCI firmly in it's place.

You idiot! reds on the way.

Originally Posted by Troubled

The readers poll I was refering to came from The Telegraph I think. i had a quick look on the www and it appears to be a tabloid type of newspaper. In the Uk tabloids tend to be fairly nationalistic. Is this the same in Australia? If so it makes the results more intersting or is it a case of anti-cricket.

yes.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ The SMH, along with the Australian and Melbourne Age are probably Australia's most respected newspapers.

**MeMock** · 10-01-2008, 05:23 AM

even my newspaper had more credibility then those papers

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2008, 05:27 AM

any excuse to give us a link....

**Wayne Kerr** · 10-01-2008, 06:47 AM

Here's a design of a t-shirt that is selling like hot cakes on the streets on India this week

**MeMock** · 10-01-2008, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

any excuse to give us a link....

I don't own it anymore so no skin off my nose

**Ukan Kizmiaz** · 10-01-2008, 08:30 AM

So on the news today I see the Indian capt Kumble saying that its time to put all the problems aside and get on with the cricket.....last night I saw the head of the BCCI saying they are happy that the ICC have appointed a judge to look at the Singh case but under no circumstances will they accept the upholding of Proctor's judgement that Singh did wrong....and that the tour depends on the outcome of the appeal.

Am I a monkey or is there a flaw in the logic processes going on here?

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Ukan Kizmiaz

Am I a monkey or is there a flaw in the logic processes going on here?

erm, so Hogg can be tried and potentially banned before the Perth test but Singh's appeal will not be....

hmmmm.

**klongmaster** · 10-01-2008, 08:47 AM

Nice to see the Kiwi press maintaining their PC image...

Stop Monkeying about..get on with the game

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2008, 08:52 AM

good one.

**William** · 10-01-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Ukan Kizmiaz

Am I a monkey or is there a flaw in the logic processes going on here?

erm, so Hogg can be tried and potentially banned before the Perth test but Singh's appeal will not be....

hmmmm.

Hogg will not be picked for Perth anyhow.

A) the track is for quicks -so they'll likely go four quick strike men (I know I would)
B) as was commented here, on Day 5 Symo and Clark, part-time bowlers, are throwing down bombs and Hogg, a front line spinner, looks like he's playing in a Sunday league game

**PlanK** · 10-01-2008, 03:10 PM

New rules in the making by ICC after the SCG Test.

(1) Ricky Ponting - (THE TRULY GENUINE CRICKETER OF THE CRICKET ERA
AND WHOSE INTEGRITY SHOULD NOT BE DOUBTED) should be considered as the
FOURTH UMPIRE. As per the new rules, FOURTH UMPIRE decision is final and
will override any decisions taken by any other umpires. ON-FIELD umpires
can seek the assistance of Ponting even if he is not on the field. This
rule is to be made, so that every team understands the importance of the
FOURTH UMPIRE.

(2) While AUSTRALIAN TEAM is bowling, if the ball flies anywhere
close to the AUSTRALIAN FIELDER (WITHIN 5 metres distance), the batsman
is to be considered OUT irrelevant of whether the catch was taken
cleanly or grassed. Any decision for further clarification should be
sought from the FOURTH UMPIRE. This is made to ensure that cricket is
played with SPORTIVE SPIRIT by all the teams.

(3) While BATTING, AUSTRALIAN players will wait for the ON-FIELD
UMPIRE decisions only (even if the catch goes to the FIFTH SLIP as the
ball might not have touched the bat). Each AUSTRALIAN batsman has to be
out FOUR TIMES (minimum) before he can return to the pavilion. In case
of THE CRICKETER WITH INTEGRITY, this can be higher.

(4) UMPIRES are allowed to make one bad decision when an AUSTRALIAN
player is batting. Multiple errors are allowed if the Aussie batsman
scores a century. Opposition teams should accept the verdict and move
on without any fuss.

(5) All Australian players are entitled to sledge their opponents
but any return comments from the opponents are strictly prohibited. Any
such comments will be considered as racial abuse and reported to the
match referee. All visiting teams must speak to their collegues in
English on the field, use of any other language will be considered as
racial abuse.

(6) MATCH REFREE ' s decisions will be taken purely on the advice
of AUSTRALIAN TEAM. Views of the other team will not be considered for
decision making.

(7) NO VISITING TEAM should plan to win in AUSTRALIA. This is to
ensure that the sportive spirit of CRICKET is maintained.

(8) LBW - If an Australian is batting, the batsman should definitely be given out only if the ball hits anywhere ABOVE the abdomen and the ball will hit the sticks if it had not been intercepted by the batsman. If opponent team is batting, the batsman should definitely be given out if the ball hits anywhere BELOW the abdomen and the ball is straight to the sticks from any view within +90 or -90 degree from where umpire is standing. AS PONTING PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THAT THE ABDOMEN IS CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE CENTER PART OF ANY HUMAN BODY, THIS RULE IS CONSIDERED TO BE VERY FAIR AND UNBIASED.

(9) Caught behind - If an Australian is batting, the batsman can be given caught behind only if the ball is caught by keeper after it hits the centre of the bat and a huge noise is heard to a person sitting 5km away from the pitch. If opponent team is batting, the batsman can be given caught behind even if it hits the pad (irrespective of where the bat is) and appealed by keeper and bowler.

(10) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE: If any bowler gets out RICKY PONTING - "THE
UNDISPUTED CRICKETER WITH INTEGRITY IN THE GAME OF CRICKET" more than
twice in a series, he will be banned for the REST OF THE SERIES. This is
to ensure that the best batsman/Captain will play to break records and
create history in the game of CRICKET.

**Butch** · 10-01-2008, 04:11 PM

I think we should have played Tait in Sydney as well...imagine how much the bastards would have been pulverised then!!

**William** · 10-01-2008, 05:22 PM

^not too sure why you don't play Tait anyhow. I rate him. A little young, but when he get them in the ribs you know about it

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2008, 08:21 PM

^^^ Ho Ho fckn HO!

**Butch** · 11-01-2008, 07:33 AM

You're right William...I think the selectors think we need a spinner...but as Clarkey proved, he can do it if needed...

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