Thread: NFL 2017: draft, deals, and season

(hat tip to lebron)

jay cutler has decided to take his body language to south beach...

elsewhere in the nfl 2017 season....norman's got a pretty good point...

Washington Redskins cornerback Josh Norman is not pleased the NFL will prohibit his bow-and-arrow celebration during the 2017 season.

According to John Keim of ESPN.com, league official Carl Johnson visited Washington's camp Sunday and explained any type of celebrations involving imaginary weaponry use will be flagged—whether performed on the field or sideline.

"You're just picking on one person here," Norman said, per Keim. "[Brandin] Cooks has been doing it for years, and now all of a sudden you want to quit and stop it? Why is that?"

Norman also pointed to stadium celebrations in New England and Tampa Bay involving shooting a cannon and musket and wondered "If one of them is bad and looked at as dangerous, how come not all of them are looked at in that way?"

Josh Norman Says He's Being Targeted with NFL Banning Bow-and-Arrow Celebration | Bleacher Report

Ray, post #351:

No, Cutler is not a leader, and he's a member of the suck club.

As for Josh Norman (yak yak yak), he needs a cup of shut up.

I was a pseudo Skins fan in DC years ago and had some family in the area for decades, but Snyder is too depressing.

It's painful to even think of the Skins.

The NFL has been penalizing harmless celebrations for years now. They are starting to get away from it but still have their panties in a bunch about nothing.

I said this earlier, but its silly that the NFL has no problem with boobs, cleavage, and butts galore, but harmless fun celebrations are where they draw the line.

Its stupid, arbitrary, and takes away from the fun of the game.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I was a pseudo Skins fan in DC years ago and had some family in the area for decades, but Snyder is too depressing.

It's painful to even think of the Skins.

from a fan's perspective, i would think that the best move the washington dc football team could make is to get a new owner.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I was a pseudo Skins fan in DC years ago and had some family in the area for decades, but Snyder is too depressing.

It's painful to even think of the Skins.

from a fan's perspective, i would think that the best move the washington dc football team could make is to get a new owner.

Ray,

That is very insightful, kind, and supportive.

There is a "Down with Dan" club - although he is not listening.

The Skins will be ruled by Dysfunctional Dan until he dies, IMO.


Expect many more painful seasons and mediocrity. Even some hard-core season ticket holders have thrown in the towel.

how many more current/former players have to say kaep is blackballed for people to wake up? hell, even BAL's owner admitted it

MIA was not ideal given the politics, but all he had to do was issue a little mea culpa and win a couple gms...alls forgotten.

$$$$

not Ws...



id love it if the raiders picked him up. hed be a beast in situational packages.

Miami Dolphins coach Adam Gase said Monday that the team is aware that star wide receiver Jarvis Landry is under investigation for possible battery.

According to multiple reports, the investigation stems from an incident involving Landry and his girlfriend earlier this year in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Jarvis Landry of Miami Dolphins under investigation for battery

Originally Posted by redhaze

The NFL has been penalizing harmless celebrations for years now. They are starting to get away from it but still have their panties in a bunch about nothing.

I said this earlier, but its silly that the NFL has no problem with boobs, cleavage, and butts galore, but harmless fun celebrations are where they draw the line.

Its stupid, arbitrary, and takes away from the fun of the game.

maybe because celebrations by black players dont go over well with the overwhelmingly white audience.

You just went full retard. Try reading the article. He says its unfair that he's being penalized whereas Brandin Cooks has done it with no problem. Brandin Cooks is black.

On a bigger note, is this where this thread is headed the whole season?

Guys I don't know if you're aware of this but most people watch and talk football to forget about political bullshit like this. Like freaking Pavlov's dogs you two just can't help yourselves, no matter how dumb and pointless you just always gotta say some dumb crap.

Here's an idea: Let's talk about football. It sounds crazy, I know....

Originally Posted by redhaze

On a bigger note, is this where this thread is headed the whole season?

Guys I don't know if you're aware of this but most people watch and talk football to forget about political bullshit like this. Like freaking Pavlov's dogs you two just can't help yourselves, no matter how dumb and pointless you just always gotta say some dumb crap.

Here's an idea: Let's talk about football. It sounds crazy, I know....

JHC,

Seconded.

We discussed the Seattle O-line earlier. How bad it has been and how bad it might - will be. Tom Cable, the OL coach loves to be optimistic and sugar coat things. He did that a lot last year and was dead wrong.

The musical chairs shuffling is still going on, on the O-line.




SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
O’Neil: Getting tougher to understand the Seahawks’ O-line shuffling

BY DANNY O'NEIL
AUGUST 7, 2017

Tom Cable, left, and Pete Carroll have made more switches along the Seahawks' offensive line this year. Danny O'Neil wonders if that's counterproductive. (AP)
RENTON – This isn’t the story you want to read about Seattle’s offensive line.

It’s not the story I set out to write after Sunday’s practice, either, but as I sat in a folding chair in front of offensive line coach Tom Cable, one of his answers made something very clear to me: I don’t get what the Seahawks are doing with their offensive line.

The more cynical will wonder why it took me this long to realize that. The even more cynical might say the Seahawks don’t have any better idea about what they’re doing than I do.

But when Cable said the reason that 2016 first-round pick Germain Ifedi played right guard and not tackle as a rookie was because of the rest of the personnel on Seattle’s team, I realized that I can’t explain the rationale at work. I don’t understand why the Seahawks seem to think the best way to develop an offensive line is by juggling spots – and players– on a seemingly annual basis.

Germain Ifedi, Frank Clark still out following fight

That doesn’t mean the Seahawks are wrong. It doesn’t mean that what they’re doing won’t work this season, but I don’t get the thought process they’re using in trying to cultivate the position group that’s asked to do the heavy lifting on offense.

If Cable had said that it was easier for a college tackle like Ifedi to adjust to the NFL by playing guard as a rookie, I could get that. It would make you wonder why many other teams play rookies at tackle, but still, it would have been an explanation.

Or if the Seahawks had thought Ifedi had all the ingredients to be a Pro Bowl guard and it turns out he’s a more natural tackle, that would be understandable, too. It can take a position switch or even two to find the right position for a player. Look at Justin Britt. He started at right tackle in the Super Bowl as a rookie, transitioned to guard the next year before settling in at center last season, when he was named a Pro Bowl alternate.

But that’s not why Cable said Ifedi was at guard last season.

“That was more about who we had here on the football team,” Cable said.

There were two reasons that was jarring: First, Ifedi at right guard meant Mark Glowinski was at left guard in 2016. That’s significant because Glowinski had previously been a right guard both in his rookie season in Seattle and during his two years at West Virginia. In fact, Glowinski’s familiarity with playing on the right side was cited as one of the reasons it would be good to bring him back to right guard this season.

The second reason that was so surprising is because of the other guys who were here on the team. Of the four offensive tackles on the roster last season, one was cut midseason (J’Marcus Webb) and the two others were not re-signed in the offseason (Bradley Sowell is now in Chicago and Garry Gilliam is in San Francisco). The fourth tackle on last year’s team was George Fant, a converted basketball player who played fewer than a dozen snaps of offense in his one year of college football.

So in essence, Ifedi was moved to a position he was unfamiliar with and wouldn’t stay at, bumping Glowinski to a position he was unfamiliar with and wouldn’t stay at so … ummm … Gilliam and Sowell could split time at right tackle. It all adds up to a situation that’s really hard to understand unless the Seahawks and Cable feel there’s a benefit in uprooting players along the line, making them learn a new position and then changing things up again in the offseason.

And if there is a benefit to that, we’re still waiting to see it here in Seattle. In fact, after years of upheaval, maybe the position changes are hurting as much they’re helping.

Another season, another shuffling of the Seahawks' O-Line

Cooks changed his routine to skirt the new ban after Norman got fined.

You don't think race has something to do with the bans? Brown can't thrust his pelvis but cheerleaders can be shown doing the same all gm...

What white players even have celebrations?

Originally Posted by samsara

You don't think race has something to do with the bans? Brown can't thrust his pelvis but cheerleaders can be shown doing the same all gm...

What white players even have celebrations?

The bans on celebrating apply to everyone.

As for white players they don't act like black football players after a TD.

I noted that these 'celebrations' were silly to me and it was only my opinion and someone had a hissy fit over it.

Jayses, from Kaep, to bow and arrow simulation, to Brown's hip thrusting.

F-me, will the games start soon. Puuhhlleeaze.

Bengals will go 9-7 this year and Marvin Lewis keep his job ... IMHO.

Will this be Marvin Lewis' final season with Cincinnati Bengals? - Cincinnati Bengals Blog- ESPN

"With his contract up at the end of the year, Marvin Lewis is entering the season as the lame-duck coach of the Bengals, an organization that's considered one of the most loyal in the NFL. Will that loyalty come to an end for Lewis after the 2017 season? Our AFC North reporters weigh in.

Jeremy Fowler, ESPN's Pittsburgh Steelers reporter: Assuming he finishes the season with an above-.500 record, Lewis will be back in the head seat in 2018. Why walk away from a job that pays nearly $5 million per year and comes with unprecedented job security for a coach with zero playoff wins? If the Bengals aren't going to fire Lewis, then odds are he won't retire unless forced. This feels like a marriage on autopilot, where both parties (Lewis and owner Mike Brown) aren't completely satisfied but are content enough to make it work. The Bengals would have to be blown away by the prospective coaching pool entering January. Still, Lewis' impressive run of five straight playoff appearances from 2011 to '15 isn't far off.

Jamison Hensley, ESPN's Baltimore Ravens reporter: No, although you can't say that with great confidence. Lewis' contract runs out at the end of the season, which is a precarious position for any coach. If Brown wanted to get rid of Lewis, he could have done it the previous two offseasons. Brown had a legitimate reason to let Lewis go after the Bengals' playoff meltdown against the Steelers two years ago. He could've fired Lewis last year after a disappointing 6-9-1 season. Maybe Brown remembers what it was like before Lewis. The Bengals produced nine double-digit-loss seasons and no playoff appearances from 1991 to 2002. With Lewis, Cincinnati has won 118 games and reached the postseason seven times. No, there haven't been any playoff wins. But after all they've been through, it's hard to believe Brown will part ways with Lewis at this point.

Pat McManamon, ESPN's Cleveland Browns reporter: There's a fair amount of chatter and assumption that this will be it. Lewis has been working for the Bengals since 2003, which in the NFL is a couple of lifetimes. Over the years, Lewis has become a bit of a lovable curmudgeon as he becomes less leery of expressing strong feelings. The thing is that Lewis doesn't need to retire. He'll be 59 in September and other coaches have stayed into their 60s. The Bengals emphasized offense in the draft with John Ross and Joe Mixon, so if there is a resurgence and bounce-back from last year's 6-9-1 season with some promise for 2018, it would not be at all surprising to see Lewis back for more".

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Bengals will go 9-7 this year and Marvin Lewis keep his job ... IMHO.

I think if they go 9-7 and make the playoffs, he stays. Even if they don't win in the playoffs again (which surely they are bound to win a game at some point?)

If they go 9-7 and miss out on the postseason....who knows? I'm not sure he stays but like the article says they could have fired him a million times already

He is a true oddity in the world of NFL coaches, no doubt about it. If there was a pergatory for NFL coaches, Lewis would be Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by redhaze

He is a true oddity in the world of NFL coaches, no doubt about it. If there was a pergatory for NFL coaches, Lewis would be Jesus Christ.

Yep, even though he only has 4 losing seasons in 14 years the fans are always calling for him to be fired. I used to be one of them during his first 8-10 years as a coach. But I give the owners credit now for recognizing they pulled the string too quickly on Sam Wyche. Man it was miserable being a Bengals fan for a long time after they fired him for one bad season.

I think it boils down to money ... they can't be losing money when Marvin Lewis keeps fielding teams year after year with a chance to win it all. Sure, they're choking in the play-offs but at least they're getting there.

they can't be losing money

the bengals are close to the least valuable franchise in the NFL, and the team is valued at more than $1.7 billion. i don't know how much paul brown paid when he started the bengals, but his family will have made a handsome profit if/when they choose to sell to another billionaire.

the only people losing money on the bengals are cincinnati's (hamilton county) taxpayers who have paid close to a billion dollars since 2000 to build and maintain that shitty stadium.

... the only people losing money on the bengals are cincinnati's (hamilton county) taxpayers who have paid close to a billion dollars since 2000 to build and maintain that shitty stadium.

Sad how these pro teams can hold communities hostage.

One of the reasons I focus more on college footballl.

let's check in on the QB situation with the jets....

On Monday at Jets’ camp, Christian Hackenberg was having trouble just breaking the huddle correctly. During one rep in seven-on-seven drills, as he approached the line of scrimmage, a coach ordered him to re-huddle. When he broke the huddle again—in the wrong fashion for a second time—he was ordered off the field. No one expects the Jets to contend this season, but at some point, they will have to decide whether Hackenberg is the answer at quarterback, a decision that could affect their 2018 draft plans and their franchise for years to come.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/07/aa...amp-peter-king

J-E-T-S
jets!
jets!
jets!

What a fire sale that team has become. Not sure if they are rebuilding or just don't care.

Originally Posted by raycarey

J-E-T-S
jets!
jets!
jets!

Ray,

Is it OK to ask, do you have a hometeam.

You've been a bit enigmatic about where you're from.....

the eagles were the team i followed when i was young because i lived in eastern PA.