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    Russia Accused By World Doping Agency of Systematic PED Use

    Worst since E Germany supposedly. They may be banned from the Rio Olympics....."The WADA investigation’s findings that Russian government officials must have known about doping and cover-ups, with even their intelligence service (the FSB) allegedly involved, threatened to severely tarnish President Vladimir Putin’s use of sports to improve his country’s global standing. Russia hosted the last Winter Olympics in Sochi in 2014 and will hold the next World Cup in 2018.
    “It’s worse than we thought,” said Dick Pound, an International Olympic Committee veteran who chaired the WADA probe. “It may be a residue of the old Soviet Union system.”
    The 323-page report said that in Russia, “acceptance of cheating at all levels is widespread.” Doping report mifght keep Russia out of Olympics - SFGate

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    I thought the individual sports men and women were the ones liable to be banned. Maybe because it's Russia a blanket ban on the whole country is to blame. That's a very western way of trying to prove the unprovable. One would think they may have a few law suits to answer, if they go ahead.

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    Used to be the Chinese now Russia.

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    These countries (Russia, China and East Germany) had government departments taking kids out of schools at 10 years old and putting them on doping programs - we all know that, it's well documented.

    These government departments and scientists were very successful. In recent years some have no doubt gone to work in the US, UK and other places too. But, the frameworks and culture that were in place are still functional to some extent; I think that's what these claims are and why a nationwide ban is being urged.

    The Brits were particularly pissed off about it because they clearly knew the Russians were cheating on a massive scale during the 2012 London Olympics, but the international and Russian bodies responsible seem to be rotten to the core and just tried to hide the evidence...
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    Wooo hooo

    What next is going to come on the all out attack on Russia? Russian birds have a dose more than western birds, so need banning?

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    This doesn't have to be part of a greater politics.

    The Ruskies have been caught cheating, again, and they should be held accountable (yes, as should every drug taker and facilitator, so that probably bans most US high-school coaches...).

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    Not that any other nation's athletes have resorted to drug abuse to win an Olympic medal.


    Just the worlds current bogeyman to frighten the sheeple back into their safe caves.

    To prove an unprovable assertion. One wonders what the international organisations who are tasked with monitoring this situation have as evidence. Other of course than the hearsay published in the original linked article. But that is enough in the MSM. Sadly the sheeple lap it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Not that any other nation's athletes have resorted to drug abuse to win an Olympic medal.


    Just the worlds current bogeyman to frighten the sheeple back into their safe caves.

    To prove an unprovable assertion. One wonders what the international organisations who are tasked with monitoring this situation have as evidence. Other of course than the hearsay published in the original linked article. But that is enough in the MSM. Sadly the sheeple lap it up.
    Once again you're being silly.

    This was an independent report; it also criticised the governing body of Athletics for "corruption and bribery at the highest level".

    You should read the report and the evidence before you try and dismiss it out of hand.

    Otherwise it just looks like sour grapes on your part.

    Boo Hoo, did your beloved Russia get exposed as a cheating cesspool?

    Among the highlights: Russia should be banned from international athletics competition and claims that London 2012 had been “sabotaged” because the IAAF had allowed 10 athletes with “unexplained and highly suspicious” abnormal blood profiles to compete. The report also urged the IAAF to ban for life five middle-distance runners – including Mariya Savinova, who won 800m gold at London 2012 and Ekaterina Poistogova, who took bronze from the same event – and five senior coaches.

    This was serious stuff. But the independent commission’s detailed explanation of the nexus of collusion and corruption among Russia’s athletes and its government was even more compelling. It was, agreed Pound, state-supported doping. “I don’t see how you could call it anything else,” he admitted. “Our conclusion was this couldn’t happen without the knowledge or consent of state authorities.”

    Athletes were expected to cheat and there were consequences for those that did not. As one coach, Oleg Popov, admitted, they “have no choice but to dope otherwise the athlete is ‘out’, meaning removed from the team”. Systems were in put in place to subvert usual international norms. So, when Russian athletes failed drugs tests, they did not necessarily get caught or punished.

    The interference came from the top. The Russian sports minister, Vitaly Mutko, even issued direct orders to “manipulate particular samples” and there was “direct intimidation and interference by the Russian state with the Moscow laboratory operations”. Not only were its offices bugged but its director, Grigory Rodchenkov, was required to meet a security officer from the FSB weekly to update him on the “mood of Wada”.

    But Rodchenkov was not an innocent party. As the independent commission revealed he was an integral part of the conspiracy to extort money from athletes in order to cover up positive results. Staggeringly he was also involved in “the intentional and malicious destruction” of 1,417 samples to deny evidence for the inquiry. A shadow laboratory that covered up positive doping results by destroying samples was also set up by the Russian state.
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    I would say that the destruction of the samples alone deserves a ban; given that its a major demonstration of bad faith on the part of the russian government.

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    Silliness, harry, This is way beyond a game between two consenting adults.

    This is a direct attack, on Mother Russia

    and all those that hold it's undeniable right to lead the world

    with it's true and trusted compatriots

    to; the better, more beautiful and bounteous world, that awaits ,the enlightened ones.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    This was an independent report;
    No report is independent Harry.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    You should read the report and the evidence
    I have read your post, if that is the substance of the evidence, I would suggest lots of weasal words but no FACTS>

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    the IAAF had allowed 10 athletes with “unexplained and highly suspicious” abnormal blood profiles to compete.
    Were these specifically Russian athletes? Again The finger of blame is at the IAAF, not Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    the IAAF to ban for life five middle-distance runners – including Mariya Savinova, who won 800m gold at London 2012 and Ekaterina Poistogova,
    Again The finger of blame is at the IAAF, not Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I don’t see how you could call it anything else,” he admitted. “Our conclusion was this couldn’t happen without the knowledge or consent of state authorities.”
    His opinion is worthless. Some facts are what is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    As one coach, Oleg Popov, admitted, they “have no choice but to dope otherwise the athlete is ‘out’, meaning removed from the team”.
    So, a named source, do we have any background as to why this, possibly an American immigrant living and working with the American Olympic team, would want to point the finger at THEY. Are THEY the UK team, the Australian team or god forbid the Chinese team. Other than an EU citizenship, some gold in a bank account and twenty virgins.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Systems were in put in place to subvert usual international norms. So, when Russian athletes failed drugs tests, they did not necessarily get caught or punished.
    Who runs the drug testing, the IAAF?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    even issued direct orders to “manipulate particular samples”
    Evidence of these "orders" would be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Not only were its offices bugged
    Offices of important government officials bugged, who on earth would stoop so low.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Grigory Rodchenkov, was required to meet a security officer from the FSB
    What did they discuss, the price of Tulips, how many wedding party participants had been killed ....... Againg innuendo but few facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    As the independent commission revealed
    Independent

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    “the intentional and malicious destruction” of 1,417 samples to deny evidence for the inquiry.
    Are not the samples kept by the IAAF drug testers, or as implied it is an in-house affair run by the countries in house team. If an in-house team, is that similar to other countries. Have any other countries in-house teams been subject to an "Independent inquiry"? If not, why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    A shadow laboratory that covered up positive doping results by destroying samples was also set up by the Russian state.
    So the Russians have a chemistry set. Add them to the sanctions list harry. Where were the IAAF when this covering up and destruction of samples going on.

    In summary. The IAAF seem to be involved or turning a blind eye to events in Russia. An "independent enquiry" has been conducted into Russia's access to chemisrty sets, bugged offices, “manipulate particular samples”and their ability to hold meetings between government officials. Coupled with an "assumption or "opinion" of one of the investigators.

    The Defence
    barrister, a Mr. Swanaski, approaches the bench.

    M'lud, I submit my client has no case to answer, based on the evidence the courts has been shown.

    The bewigged judge awakes and collects his thoughts, he looks at the courtroom clock. Still an hour until his lunch of grilled doves, saute larks livers, a lively Merlot and the after lunch "rub down" from one of his Russian maid servants.

    Yes, Mr. Swanaski, lots of Russians in this legal system, I agree - CASE Dismissed. To his buxom court court reporter,

    "Would you care for a spot of lunch,, my kitten?" The court reporter knowing of this judge's penchant for grilled doves, licked her bottom lip and smiled.

    The defense
    barristers turns to the packed court house

    How say the jury?

    Innocent , Innocent, Innocent. Shouted back not only the twelve true sons and daughters of mother Russia, but also the billions of the oppressed around the world, some even from their graves/crosses/tombs/high security rendition facilities!!!!!
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    Russian Athletics Coach Slams Doping Claims

    The head coach of the Russian national athletics team on Sunday denounced, claims that track and field in the country was rife with doping as unreliable.

    With a month to go before Moscow hosts the world championships, the British newspaper The Mail on Sunday quoted Russian athletics figures who said competitors were forced to dope and also claimed that the head of the national drug test laboratory had faced criminal charges over allegedly distributing banned substances.

    400-meter runner, Valentin Kruglyakov, then told local media that he had been stopped from going to last year's Olympics after refusing to pay $1,500 to ensure a clean drug test.

    "These are people who themselves do not have clean hands, who are themselves mixed up in doping cases," national team head coach Valentin Maslakov said, referring to the sources of the reports, and hinted at a conspiracy.

    "I have a suspicion that behind them are certain people who are urging them into these actions."

    The Russian Anti-Doping Agency and national laboratory are "independent structures," and there is no collusion between them and national team coaches, Maslakov added.

    Maslakov specifically criticized coach Oleg Popov, who claimed in the British report that his former athlete Lada Chernova had been pressured to dope, as well as Kruglyakov.

    "Popov is the coach of Chernova, who has twice been incriminated in taking banned substances," he said. "Kruglyakov was once suspected of these acts, then he was caught and disqualified at the Russian winter championships."

    Javelin thrower Chernova was first banned for doping in 2008 and later had a second, lifetime ban overturned in court in February because of mistakes at the national laboratory in Moscow.

    Kruglyakov achieved the qualifying time for London 2012 but was not selected following a positive doping test that was later overturned.

    Earlier this year, Maslakov accused Kruglyakov of doping at the Russian winter championships.

    The executive director of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency, Nikita Kamaev, said those making accusations against Russia's drug test regime had not provided sufficient proof of wrongdoing.

    "Show facts, show your cards, gentlemen, and then we can judge it," he told R-Sport, and defended Grigory Rodchenko, head of the national drug test laboratory, who allegedly faced doping-related criminal charges in 2011.

    "There are no problems whatsoever with our work with him," he said.

    The world championships are the first major athletics competition in Russia since the 1980 Olympics and will run August 10 to 18.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/482815.html

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