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    Rugby league test series England v NZ

    First test at Hull on Sunday. The bookies picking England to take the test and the three match series.

    The Kiwis are without many stars including Sean Johnson but I reckon they may surprise the English.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news...ectid=11538138
    League: Daunting task for Kiwis halves

    The Kiwis will mark an important milestone in the first test against England on Monday, one that couldn't have been anticipated just a few months ago.

    The match in Hull will be the first time the Kiwis have taken the field without either Shaun Johnson or Kieran Foran since 2010.

    Over the last three years, the duo have become arguably the most important halves combination in the history of New Zealand league.

    They have won three matches against Australia - no other halves duo in the modern era have enjoyed more victories against the Kangaroos - and have also played 12 test matches together, a modern-day record for a Kiwis combination.

    And their influence during the golden run of the last 12 months has been staggering. The Kiwis are unbeaten since the start of the 2014 Four Nations, a sequence of five wins over Australia (three times), Samoa and England.

    During that time, the Kiwis have scored 19 tries, an average of almost four per match. And the halves' contribution to their offensive success has been profound.

    Of those 19 tries, Johnson and Foran have scored four of them. It's hard to forget Johnson's spectacular individual tries in all three defeats of the Kangaroos, and Foran got across against Samoa in Whangarei.

    There have also been another six try assists - from Foran's perfect bomb for Dean Whare in Brisbane last year, to Johnson's weaving run and long pass for Manu Vatuvei in the Four Nations final - and at least one of the duo was heavily involved, throwing the penultimate pass in the try-scoring movement, on another seven occasions.

    All is all, they have scored, assisted or been directly involved in 17 of the Kiwis' last 19 test tries.

    Those statistics underline the scale of the task on Monday.

    During the buildup to this match, the Kiwis have tried to shield Tui Lolohea and Peta Hiku from the inevitable focus. Assistant coach David Kidwell insisted that the Kiwis would "win or lose as a team... as a 17", and there was "no extra pressure" on the two new halves. Hooker and co-captain Issac Luke and fullback Roger Tuivasa-Sheck have also both talked about taking more responsibility.

    But it's still deep-end stuff for Lolohea and Hiku. In his first few games at this level, Foran had Marshall as the senior playmaker and Johnson learned with Foran beside him. Numbers six and seven will have no such luxury tomorrow, although they are playing behind arguably the best Kiwis pack of the modern era.

    "[Yes], It's not the easiest, really," admitted Lolohea. "[Peta] is new in the position, too, and we are trying to come together and build a combination but we know where we want to go."

    "The Leeds game gave us [some] experience in the halves together," said Hiku. "We don't want to take on too much [and] Issac Luke is there in the middle controlling the team and that takes a lot of pressure off us. Our forward pack is real good and that takes a lot of pressure off us halves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss
    The Kiwis are without many stars including Sean Johnson but I reckon they may surprise the English.
    With England having only a 27% win record against New Zealand, and New Zealand being ranked as the number 1 team in the world - how would it be a surprise???

    The surprise would be if England won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    The surprise would be if England won.
    They are always hard to beat at home...small grounds...passionate supporters and they have a lot of NRL players now...it won't be a slaughter

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    It's live on True Sports HD4 at midnight for those interested. With a replay tomorrow afternoon at 14:00 for those not so interested.

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    England 26 NZ 12...That isn't the whole story...the Kiwis romped to 12 - 6...then succumbed to 20 unanswered points...the bad news is they lost...the good news it shows that international rugby league is alive and kicking...The English would probably have beaten Australia on that performance...which shows that State of Origin is a load of tosh as the so called pinnacle of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss View Post
    ...the Kiwis romped to 12 - 6...then succumbed to 20 unanswered points...
    Sounds like a typical Warriors outing

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    ^^And now the real story, which may dispute Bruce Brainless's version of events .

    If 6-12 is romping to the lead, what would you call putting 20 un-answered points on?. At 6-10 and 24 mins in, the Kiwis got a penalty in easy kicking range and took it. It was the last point they scored, or even looked like scoring. On the other hand, England got an easily kickable penalty while 16-12 up at the 54 min mark and went for the 6. They didn't get points, but they sent out a clear message.

    The Poms wern't great (QLD or NSW teams would have lit them up like a fucking Christmas tree) but they did more than enough to hand the Kiwi's their collective arses. Some points on the game though;
    1. The solo Ref (a Pom I think) has obviously never heard of the 10m rule. Not one penalty was given and both teams couldn't believe their luck as they tested the water early in the game. There wouldn't have been 1 play the ball where the opposition was back the 10.
    2. In turn, the backs rarely got the ball with some room to move so it was a fairly dour game to watch.
    3. The Kiwi's were out on their feet from the 65 min mark, you could have thrown a blanket over them in attack and there was always 2-4 players making their way back on-side as England played the ball.
    4. And this is the problem with playing Tests outside of the Super League or NRL regular seasons, the players are missing match fitness + there'll always be good players having off-season surgery done or others who just couldn't be fucked playing in their short off-season break before club training starts again.
    On paper the Kiwi's are the better team, more so as they mostly all play in the NRL which is a whole different level to Super League. But based on this game, which England started as favourites and will for T2 as well, the sheep worriers are up against the wall in this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    If 6-12 is romping to the lead,
    They were all over the English in the first 30 minutes...nobody can argue that...watch out for the return at West Ham tonight.

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    England 1.55
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    They don't need him, which is no small statement, but one might wonder if Sam Burgess is eligible to play for England now that he's quit Rugby and re-signed with the Bunnies. A player of his calibre could run on and dominate the game even though he hasn't played League in a year.

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    I saw a headline about that, didn't read the article but the suggestion was that he would be.

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    ^Signed sealed and delivered. He's now the highest paid forward in the game and IMO he deserves to be.

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    I'll take your word for that (I don't know enough about him/the game).

    What I will say is that I can't blame him for going back. The way he was treated by the England RU management was disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss
    a lot of NRL players now
    So what number constitutes a lot in NZ? There are 5 NRL players in the squad, 6 if you count Sam Tompkins. Granted more than in previous years but still only a handful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss
    watch out for the return at West Ham tonight
    Hope you are not planning on attending as you might miss it. The match is at the Olympic Stadium. I believe West Ham will start playing (and paying rent) from the start of the 2016/2017 soccer season

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    Kiwi's a one man team , proved Johnson out cant win.

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    Pleased to see Burgess going back to League, that's his game... & I agree that England RU management let him down; half-hearted support.

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    That's 80 minutes of my life I can't get back; fukin dire...

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    ^Agreed. What a shit game to watch that was. Anyway it's 1-1 with similar winning margins in both games so hopefully the decider might be worth tuning in to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    What a shit game to watch that was.
    You are not a rugby league purist...that was a bloody tough game...when you see James Graham gasping for breath you know it is a tough game. I haven't seen him do that all NRL season, the guy is usually a machine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozcol
    Kiwi's a one man team , proved Johnson out cant win.


    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    if Sam Burgess is eligible to play for England now that he's quit Rugby and re-signed with the Bunnies. A player of his calibre could run on and dominate the game even though he hasn't played League in a year.
    Without any comment from me...this is Hugh McGahan's opinion (the former Roosters and Kiwi captain and golden boot winner)
    Hugh McGahan: Burgess back but why did he go to England? - Rugby League - NZ Herald News
    Hugh McGahan: Burgess back but why did he go to England?
    I can't believe Sam Burgess has decided to pack up and move back to the comforts of rugby league and Souths.

    His dalliance with rugby union was farcical and I still can't work out what he was trying to achieve. What was the point of the exercise?

    When he left 12 months ago, he talked about a new challenge and trying to make the England World Cup squad.

    Well, he achieved the latter but he was gifted his position in Stuart Lancaster's squad because he certainly didn't earn it. England rugby should be embarrassed over the whole saga.

    He made no impact - he wasn't a forward and he wasn't a back - so he must have been a failure. But he was badly let down by Bath and England rugby, and his experience shows one of the main issues with English rugby.
    In New Zealand, the game is controlled from the top down. The All Blacks coach determines what happens with a player, not the clubs, so individuals are developed for the betterment of the game generally and not rich club owners.
    Bath hardly did the right thing trying to turn him into a different player to the one England wanted.

    It also doesn't appear they gave him much tuition, other than talking to him, and that becomes a long, long process.

    What his experience has proved is that it takes time to make it as a rugby player coming from rugby league. The main thing you need to be successful is time.

    Benji Marshall thought he could do it after watching a few videos - he should have played ITM Cup or gone and played a few games in Japan to learn more about rugby before trying teaming up with the Blues. The nuances and intricacies of the game are difficult to pick up if you're not used to it.

    Remember, Sonny Bill Williams spent two years at Toulon under Tana Umaga to learn about rugby and even when he came back to New Zealand he needed time at ITM Cup and Super Rugby level to understand the game.

    When he was picked for the All Blacks, it took yet more time for him to develop as a player.

    There was talk Burgess might be picked in the England team for next weekend's third rugby league test if the Kiwis won this morning's second test to level the series but I would have been filthy if that happened. It would have been a bad look for English rugby league.

    The All Blacks would hardly welcome a player back with open arms returning to their sport.

    The only reason I can see why Burgess is coming back to league is money, because he certainly hasn't achieved anything in rugby.

    He will reportedly be the highest paid player in the NRL next season, pocketing $1.5 million a season. Souths will have to clear out a handful of players to fit him into their salary cap and I'm not sure he's worth that much.

    Yes, Burgess was man of the match in last year's grand final win but he didn't deserve to be. His brother George played better in the Rabbitohs' win and I would suggest it was only because it was the fairytale finish - first Souths title since 1971, Burgess' last game (apparently) of league and the fact he played the game with a broken cheekbone - that swayed the judges' thinking.

    Many will say it's great to have Burgess back. I'm not one of them.

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    ^ Bwucey they are only playing the Poms easy beats.

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    Judging by yesterday's match, we are not very good.

    The Kiwis were rubbish, they looked unfit and out of sorts as you'd expect from a team playing a pre-season friendly, and they still had too much for us on the day. England had no imagination or ball handling skills at all. At a skill level, 3 or 4 or 5 or... tries were butchered by ball dropping, not catching, over-running the ball, fuking up simple support lines, etc. It was dour watching...

    I haven't watched such a boring game of rugby for a long time. There was no atmosphere in the stadium which didn't help.
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    ^That's a fair analysis. Having said that though, if James Graham gets a finger on that beautifully grubbered thru ball instead of over-shooting it England would have probably won the game.

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    ^ yes, small margins, but as the home team England didn't do enough to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss View Post
    The only reason I can see why Burgess is coming back to league is money, because he certainly hasn't achieved anything in rugby
    What an utterly fucking idiotic statement to make, It's not hard to pick that brainless hack as a Kiwi .

    The bottom line is Yawnion and League are 2 very different sports that share similarities. Burgess can not only compete at the top level of League, he can and often does dominate entire games. But he'll have the ball in his hand a lot more than he ever will in Union, and make 2-3 times as many tackles, so his chances to shine are infinitely more in the 13 man sport.

    Next thing to think about is how many sports can one man excel at?. One of the better League forwards to ever lace a boot up had a crack at Union for reasons we'll probably never truthfully know, quickly found out that he was like a fish out of water, and is coming back to a sport where he's a BIG fish. Then there's the whole Sydney vibe where most of his family are, and where is Fiance comes from. Good on him for having a go, but he's about to step back into his comfort zone and I would expect him and the Rabbits to be a major force again in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    Having said that though, if James Graham gets a finger on that beautifully grubbered thru ball instead of over-shooting it England would have probably won the game.
    Rarely do I agree with you Cyrille sorry Headcase...but that is a fact...mitigated only by the fact that Graham had copped such a battering making his tackles during what was a brutal game he wasn't up to the task at the time. The kiwis were similarly affected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    Judging by yesterday's match, we are not very good.
    That English forward pack would have monstered any Australian pack to the extent that I doubt the better Australian backs would have been able to do much. This is a very good English side, and I have seen a few in my time. International rugby league is alive and kicking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    The Kiwis were rubbish
    They were short of an international standard halves combination due to injury and a coach instigated suspension. They covered for that with a world class forwards and outside backs performance. Neither of those sides was rubbish. That was a very tough game with the highest standard of defence I have seen in a while. Strange to hear a northern rugby fan complaining about a tough defensive battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    England had no imagination or ball handling skills at all.
    I remember a similar comment made by a TVNZ reporter to an English rugby league coach decades ago at half time during a very tough test at Auckland. The Englishman, from Yorkshire, replied, lad, if you were getting belted like those lads are you would be dropping a few balls too. I recall the All Blacks squad were watching that game from the stands and were stunned at the ferocity of the tackling.
    League is a much tougher game than it looks. The defence is more one on one and aggressive compared to rugby union which has a swarming and smothering type of defense. One only has to compare tackle counts between a league game and a union game to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx
    What an utterly fucking idiotic statement to make, It's not hard to pick that brainless hack as a Kiwi
    Jaysus Cyrille. I compliment you so you return to dunce status. The comment was made by Hugh McGahan, MBE, International golden boot and one of the most famous league players of his time in Sydney.

    His son is in the Auckland Blues rugby union squad after a stint as a junior with the Melbourne Storm. Hugh knows the games very well, having played rugby union as a junior (most kids in his time were forced to at school).

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