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    Former rugby league star Hayne continues to make NFL strides

    San Francisco 49ers special teams coordinator says ‘you’ve got to be realistic’



    JARRYD Hayne certainly had no intention of inducing a collective laugh when it came to his thoughts on the fair catch in football.

    “You stick your hand in the air and they can’t touch you,” he said, straight-faced.

    The simplicity of his answer cracked up the assembled US media, completely by accident.

    A fair catch is a foreign concept for fans of the Australian footy codes, an action in which a player attempting to catch a ball kicked by the opposition extends one arm above their head to ensure they are not interfered with when they make the catch. Once the catch is taken, the ball then becomes dead.

    Hayne is yet to opt for a fair catch, relying on his ability to catch the ball and take on the defence — rugby league style.

    “I had opportunities to do it, but I backed my ability,” he said. “I felt comfortable being able to catch the ball and get out of the way.”

    San Francisco 49ers special teams coordinator Thomas McGaughey Jr. said he loved that “fearless” nature. And with it becoming more and more apparent that Hayne’s best chance of making the 49ers roster is as a return specialist, McGaughey is a man worth listening to.

    “You obviously want to make smart decisions, but Jarryd’s fearless,” he said.

    “That’s one of the characteristics it takes to be a great punt returner.

    “It’s fun when you see a guy who can make the first guy miss and he’s not scared. (He’s) very, very comfortable fielding the ball. When you have that fearlessness, it gives you an edge.

    “He has great lateral quickness. That’s another characteristic of a great open-field runner. If you look at all the great open-field runner they all have that characters — Dante Hall, Devin Hester —- those types of runners, guys who can make you miss.”

    McGaughey did, however, play down the hype around Hayne ahead of the Australian’s second pre-season appearance, against the Dallas Cowboys on Monday (AEST).
    “You got to be realistic here,” McGaughey said.

    “It was the first preseason game,” he added, referring to Hayne’s headline-grabbing debut last weekend, which included an impressive 53-yard run.

    “It’s not like we’re playing Week 8, going down the stretch. He’s got a long way to go. He’s doing some good things, and hopefully he’ll continue down that path.”

    Hayne said he felt most comfortable as a returner, but was enjoying working on his game as a running back, where he may be required to fill in when necessary long-term.

    “Being a running back, you just want to not lose yards and you want to make as many yards as fast as you can,” Hayne said.

    “But sometimes you need to be patient and wait for the holes.

    “Obviously, I’m far away from being a crisp running back. And returning punts and kickoffs is the thing I’m most natural at. For me, I have to work on my whole game.”

    The former Parramatta Eels star said he felt confident in the game situation, and not just because of his head-turning debut.

    “I was always confident. I didn’t need a play to have that confidence,” Hayne said. “Good or bad, I knew I’d always have to work on something. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of good plays.

    “Now it’s about Dallas this (Sunday) and being focused on what I do.”

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    “The Master said, At fifty, I knew what were the biddings of Heaven. At sixty, I heard them with docile ear. At seventy, I could follow the dictates of my own heart; for what I desired no longer overstepped the boundaries of right.”

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    Never been a Hayne fan as he is a Cocky but he is a good player and hope he makes the grade.

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    I thought he'd fail miserably, but looks like he's doing pretty well so far - good luck to him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozcol
    he is a Cocky
    but he has something to be cocky about...he is a genuine rock star...his dad played for the Warriors and Souths and he was pretty good as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I thought he'd fail miserably, but looks like he's doing pretty well so far - good luck to him...
    The NFL scouted him pretty thoroughly, apparently, so their scouts would have noted his potential. Punt returner and running back skills are pretty similar to what carrying a rugby ball is like, methinks.

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    SMH reports he is feeling the pain from the training

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    Bruce he has always been cocky with good cause but I meant he was a cockroach which would go straight over your head as you don't rate SOO>

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    He will play on Sunday. I posted up a thread on him last year when he first came to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    I posted up a thread on him last year when he first came to the US.
    Can we move on to mine?

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    The 9ers were hoping to sneak him onto the Practice Squad like they did with the British Discus Olympian Okoye. They've got 4 backs ahead of him. He's fucked up that plan with his showing last week. Somebody else will snag him and keep him on their 53 if they cut him. He needs to star on Special Teams to make the 9ers. I bet they wish that they hadn't picked up Reggie Bush. Jared is younger, cheaper, and could fill the same role. It's going to be a tough call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozcol
    he was a cockroach which would go straight over your head
    I know what a cockroach is...thank you for allowing me to use my favourite emoticom
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    He will play on Sunday.
    The guy is an amazing athlete...from what I read though the only reason the 49ers would take him is because they are a shite franchise...I just wish he would go back to the NRL

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    Quote Originally Posted by wackyjacky
    I bet they wish that they hadn't picked up Reggie Bush. Jared is younger, cheaper, and could fill the same role. It's going to be a tough call.
    A tough call not to cut him or a tough call to chose Bush over him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wackyjacky
    I bet they wish that they hadn't picked up Reggie Bush. Jared is younger, cheaper, and could fill the same role. It's going to be a tough call.
    A tough call not to cut him or a tough call to chose Bush over him?
    Both. they had planned for Bush to be the 3rd down receiving back and return punts. They can't really play Hayne as a back yet, primarily because he'd be clueless picking up blitzes and Kaepernick would get killed. I suppose they could trade Kendall Hunter or Bush before they have to get down to 53. Hayne has no trade value, but the vultures will be waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wackyjacky
    Both. they had planned for Bush to be the 3rd down receiving back and return punts. They can't really play Hayne as a back yet, primarily because he'd be clueless picking up blitzes and Kaepernick would get killed. I suppose they could trade Kendall Hunter or Bush before they have to get down to 53. Hayne has no trade value, but the vultures will be waiting.
    Can't carry 4 backs, huh? Wow. Yeah, tough choice. Haven't heard of Kendall Hunter, which is meaningless as I don't follow the NFL very closely. He wouldn't happen to be the first stringer, would he? Even if, Hayne playing special teams would showcase his tackling skill. That's gotta be pretty natural. I expect another laughable quote such as: "Once a guy hits the ground (or knee), he can't get up."

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    They'll carry 5, but 1 will be a fullback who blocks 90% of the time. The team lost many of it's best players for various reasons this year, but RB is still a position of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    He will play on Sunday. I posted up a thread on him last year when he first came to the US.
    Read yesterday the Seahawks released the rookie long snapper, former Green Beret from Texas A & M that they drafted.

    Nice to see this rugby dude looking like he's going to make the cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    Nice to see this rugby dude looking like he's going to make the cut.
    He is a fine athlete mate.

    I also hope he makes it big.

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    Best example of a transition from one sport to another I've seen. And since it involves a popular international sport with a specifically American one, it will serve to raise the level of respect in America for athletes of other countries, much like baseball and basketball have done. It would be nice to know that there really is no such thing as an "American" sport.

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    Expect a crack like: "once a guy takes a knee you can't touch him". Actually, it seems like a pretty strange rule. Must have been a time when collisions were colossal.

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    If you don't think there are "huge collisions", you haven't watched the game. The injuries are horrific not to mention the aftermath of concussions. The league just paid out a billion to former players with brain disease due to repeated head trauma. A big problem with Hayne is that he runs way too upright. He'll get his chest caved in sooner or later. Head down & knees high they tell you. That will make you both cause and receive concussions. I think the game is in trouble. Not as much as in 1905 when there were 19 deaths in American College Football. This instigated the use of helmets and pads. The game was much closer to Rugby then. I played, but I wouldn't let my boy.
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    You played in 1905?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wackyjacky
    If you don't think there are "huge collisions", you haven't watched the game. The injuries are horrific not to mention the aftermath of concussions. The league just paid out a billion to former players with brain disease due to repeated head trauma. A big problem with Hayne is that he runs way too upright. He'll get his chest caved in sooner or later. Head down & knees high they tell you. That will make you both cause and receive concussions. I think the game is in trouble. Not as much as in 1905 when there were 19 deaths in American College Football. This instigated the use of helmets and pads. The game was much closer to Rugby then. I played, but I wouldn't let my boy.
    If you want to watch and listen to huge collisions on the football field, watch any NFL film, with their long-distance mikes, helmet mikes and cameras right down on the sidelines, in the helmets and over the field.

    I worried about it recently (my great nephew is starting H.S. football this year) and advised my nephew to discourage him from playing beyond H.S. Then I read this Forbes piece with the provocative title "Why Everything You Hear About The 'Deadly' Game Of Football Is False"--Why Everything You Hear About The 'Deadly' Game Of Football Is False
    Hall of Famer Lem Barney surprised players at a football camp in June by calling the game a sport for “gladiators” and predicting its demise. The Detroit Lions defensive back explained, “The game is becoming more deadly today.”
    ...

    Take Barney’s claim of a deadlier game. When he won Rookie of the Year in 1967, twenty-four players at all levels of competition died from on-field collisions. Last season, two players died as a result of hits. Over the course of the defensive back’s illustrious eleven-year career with the Lions, hits killed an average of twenty-one football players per season. Over the last eleven seasons, violent collisions have claimed the lives of less than four players per year. Football, a sport played by roughly four million Americans, has grown dramatically, and demonstrably, safer since Barney retired.
    National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health to conduct a mortality study on their profession. The federal researchers discovered diminished rates of cancer and heart disease for pension-vested retirees who, like Lem Barney, played in five or more seasons between 1959 and 1988. They found that retired players died at nearly half the ratio as comparable men outside of the NFL. The dietary and lifestyle demands of an athlete, let alone the rigors of running and wrestling on a 100-yard field, yield healthier bodies. Professional football players live longer, not less.

    ...
    The sixfold-suicide story clicks with the anti-football narrative, but it doesn’t click with the science. NIOSH’s researchers would have discovered 131 suicides if NFL players had killed themselves at six-times the rate of comparable American males. They would have found 22 suicides if the NFL rate merely mirrored the rate. They found nine.
    Maybe they'll completely prevent and eliminate serious head injuries and concussions in the near future. But there are other more dangerous sports---take Hockey.

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    "Maybe they'll completely prevent and eliminate serious head injuries and concussions in the near future. But there are other more dangerous sports---take Hockey." Hockey is nowhere near as dangerous. Hockey players don't lead with their heads and collisions on the ice aren't as catastrophic because your feet don't find great purchase on the ice. It's a lot different than a being grounded in cleats. I've run my car into another at 20 mph with no damage a few times because both were on ice. I played hockey recreationally until I was almost 30, but I wasn't very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    Read yesterday the Seahawks released the rookie long snapper, former Green Beret from Texas A & M that they drafted.
    Yep I wish him the best but the Hawks already had a good long snapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney
    Maybe they'll completely prevent and eliminate serious head injuries and concussions in the near future. But there are other more dangerous sports---take Hockey.
    No way hockey even comes close. The contact in the NFL is far harder then hockey. The amount of injuries is far worse in football.

    BTW Hayne just had another big run today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wackyjacky
    A big problem with Hayne is that he runs way too upright. He'll get his chest caved in sooner or later. Head down & knees high they tell you.
    You are exactly right. He is a talented athlete no doubt but that upright running style will leave him open to some massive hits sooner or later. I am watching the Niners vs Cowboys preseason game right now.

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