Thread: NASCAR driver Tony Stewart Kills Kevin Ward Jr. In Sprint Car Incident

Originally Posted by Koojo

And what do the redneck hillbilly retards 'stupidly think'?

Stay tuned, and one will get back to you soon, Dawg...

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

I thought it had been established the kid committed suicide by car.
Thread closed.

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

And what do the redneck hillbilly retards 'stupidly think'?

"Redneck hillbilly retards" know that it is customary for drivers to get out of their cars and walk around on yellow conditions. Which is why your opinion and the harry guys opinion is laughably ignorant

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

I thought it had been established the kid committed suicide by car.
Thread closed.

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

Iam a motorsport fan and whilst I don't think it is suicide by car it definitely is 100% his fault for walking into the car.

Thick as shit.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

I thought it had been established the kid committed suicide by car.
Thread closed.

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

Iam a motorsport fan and whilst I don't think it is suicide by car it definitely is 100% his fault for walking into the car.

All the other cars and drivers missed him without issue. Then Stewart comes into the picture running a higher line and punching the accelerator.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

I thought it had been established the kid committed suicide by car.
Thread closed.

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

And what do the redneck hillbilly retards 'stupidly think'?

"Redneck hillbilly retards" know that it is customary for drivers to get out of their cars and walk around on yellow conditions. Which is why your opinion and the harry guys opinion is laughably ignorant

So it is customary to walk into the raceline of a track when vehicles are still in motion.

Dumb fuck rednecks.

Red flags are not thrown in this type of racing because they have no starters. All the cars have to be push started. So lots gets done on the track when the cars are circling around on yellow. The lot of you are ignorant bastards

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

I thought it had been established the kid committed suicide by car.
Thread closed.

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

Iam a motorsport fan and whilst I don't think it is suicide by car it definitely is 100% his fault for walking into the car.

All the other cars and drivers missed him without issue. Then Stewart comes into the picture running a higher line and punching the accelerator.

Sadly ironic is all that is..

Seems NASCAR thought it was a serious enough mistake on Wards part to leave his car too as they have had to institute a new rule since his poor judgment to spell it out for everyone, this is also their subtle way, without directly blasting this young drivers memory, of saying he screwed the pooch on his own destiny.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/nascar...134324077.html

The thing is that it's been taught for years to drivers that you never disconnect your belts or exit the car until told to do so as at any point it is possible for an on track incident to occur and take you out. But NASCAR had to make it official and put it on the books.
Do you think Juan Pablo saw this jet dryer? Do you think he was trying to hit it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=mhcBFZWr3wE

Or how about this one? Well enough out of that way but look what happened?


It's what can happen on a race track and why you don't exit the car or unbuckle and even then it can still happen, just ask this unfortunate safety official? Things break, things just happen...

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The Maestro

take your dog somewhere else if you don't like the thread.

It is only ignorant non race fans that stupidly think this.

And what do the redneck hillbilly retards 'stupidly think'?

"Redneck hillbilly retards" know that it is customary for drivers to get out of their cars and walk around on yellow conditions. Which is why your opinion and the harry guys opinion is laughably ignorant

So it is customary to walk into the raceline of a track when vehicles are still in motion.

Dumb fuck rednecks.

Red flags are not thrown in this type of racing because they have no starters. All the cars have to be push started. So lots gets done on the track when the cars are circling around on yellow. The lot of you are ignorant bastards

Who said anything about red flags? Jackass....

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Koojo

And what do the redneck hillbilly retards 'stupidly think'?

"Redneck hillbilly retards" know that it is customary for drivers to get out of their cars and walk around on yellow conditions. Which is why your opinion and the harry guys opinion is laughably ignorant

So it is customary to walk into the raceline of a track when vehicles are still in motion.

Dumb fuck rednecks.

Red flags are not thrown in this type of racing because they have no starters. All the cars have to be push started. So lots gets done on the track when the cars are circling around on yellow. The lot of you are ignorant bastards

Who said anything about red flags? Jackass....

maybe the post i was replying to ? He says it was dumb to get out of the car when the cars were still moving. So he is implying that nobody should get out of a car unless the cars are stopped. Ie red flag


for fuck sake

No he wasn't FFS... He's been into the thread since the beginning, he just meant not while they're still slowing which they were, and again not walking towards the traffic but should have been walking away.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

The lot of you are ignorant bastards

All of us?...Who's your daddy?...

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

No he wasn't FFS... He's been into the thread since the beginning, he just meant not while they're still slowing which they were, and again not walking towards the traffic but should have been walking away.

The track was yellow for a whole lap.

The non race fans are implying that all cars should stop before anyone can walk about the track.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

No he wasn't FFS... He's been into the thread since the beginning, he just meant not while they're still slowing which they were, and again not walking towards the traffic but should have been walking away.

The track was yellow for a whole lap.

The non race fans are implying that all cars should stop before anyone can walk about the track.

lol. you keep twisting what I said to suit your own agenda.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Or how about this one? Well enough out of that way but look what happened?

Hardly the same thing, since they were still "racing" and the paramedic survived to tell the tale:
Cars Crash But Race Continues - Orlando Sentinel

The error of judgement looks to have been on both sides, although Wards' cost him his life. I doubt there are grounds for a conviction but the fans may not tolerate Stewart racing again for the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

No he wasn't FFS... He's been into the thread since the beginning, he just meant not while they're still slowing which they were, and again not walking towards the traffic but should have been walking away.

The track was yellow for a whole lap.

The non race fans are implying that all cars should stop before anyone can walk about the track.

BS the yellow came out the next pass by the flag stand making turns 1 and 2 cool down turns but still hot zones and the incident was on the exit of turn 2 just a bit up the track right in the path of the cool down. I thought you said you knew racing?

At the speeds sprint cars run, a lot of track is gone before a reaction for race control and the drivers ability to react once the yellow comes out, besides the fact that they don't have brakes which also explains another reason why Tony was higher in the line the other drivers, he was still in slowing mode and the prior lap when he ran into Ward while in his car demonstrates he was already running the higher line. It is quite telling that several drivers are calling for spotters due to the difficulty of being un-sighted in these cars.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

the fact that they don't have brakes .

?....

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Or how about this one? Well enough out of that way but look what happened?

Hardly the same thing, since they were still "racing" and the paramedic survived to tell the tale:
Cars Crash But Race Continues - Orlando Sentinel

The error of judgement looks to have been on both sides, although Wards' cost him his life. I doubt there are grounds for a conviction but the fans may not tolerate Stewart racing again for the foreseeable future.

No they weren't, the reason he was rear ended and sent into the infield in the first place was because the yellow was out and he slowed but the driver behind did not slow, ran into him and sent him into the infield, it'd be nice of those who understand the dynamics of the sport posted and not just silly clueless observers, which much of what has posted so far.

The above video is more representative than anything discussed so far, it is a fast track but the distance from the contact is farther away and the yellow came out but the reaction time of the drivers was delayed and it was a speedway not a short track so like the sprint cars (with the exception of the short dirt track but side and closing distance is relative as is braking capability) the car has little, to no, brakes relative to the distance it has to stop given reaction time.

Even with all of that, bottom line the video is completely relative, the point being made is quite valid, people on a race track get hurt both in and out of cars for a variety of reasons and regardless of flags or what not and just because a yellow is out doesn't mean it's safe out of your car, shit happens!

I'm betting few here posting even know that the speedway NASCARS and dirt track sprint cars don't even have worthy brakes? The NASCAR speedway cars have tiny little front brakes only just enough to stop them for their pit stops and no rear brakes at all. The reasoning for that is to minimize drag on the track and is another major reason they nearly always spin when they have to hit the brakes quickly and the fronts lock up while the rears keeping rolling.

Sprint cars just barely have enough brakes, mostly to help them enter the corners and pitch the car which is another thing, these cars handle completely different at lower speeds than they do at race speed, much more difficult to control at slow speeds, I think Fondles first mentioned that in another manner. Here, educate yourselves a bit before posting nonsense you don't understand, though reading this reference is no guarantee anyone will still understand.

World Of Outlaws: The Art Of Dirt Oval Racing | Speedhunters

Also take notice too, of how much a driver is doing in the cockpit of a car that is screaming fast and going sideways and factor that into whether or not he may have seen a pissed off driver come stomring down the track and yellows being thrown etc. all at the same time..

Talk about multitasking?? Suspension adjusts through every corner? Used to have wing adjusts too? If Tony was doing any of these just before the yellow came out it is an obvious distraction and he may have been making adjustments during the yellow too in anticipation of the restart, it's certain no one here has a clue and no one there does either, only he knows, and given the suddenness of the incident on a short track he may not even have recalled something he does automatically anyway just before this happened.

FYI The fans will have nothing to do with his absence, he'll still have plenty of fans what I think will keep him from racing any time soon is his own remorse for Wards death. It's one thing to race and have an accident that another driver gets killed in though if it was your fault there's always some pretty heavy remorse, even the drivers one doesn't like are still respected by their competitors and no one wants to see any other driver get seriously injured or killed regardless of dislike which I find this whole idea of "murder" abhorrent, they just aren't out there for that not even in a moment of red mist driving.

From the first time I learned to cross the street I was taught an important lesson, the red light stops NO ONE, it is just a light, if it is unnoticed or ignored or whatever and you walk into traffic without looking and paying attention you'll get hit regardless of the light color and though the driver may be at fault you're still the one that's seriously injured or dead so one needs to take personal responsibility for themselves first crossing the street and this is no different.

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

the fact that they don't have brakes .

?....

I corrected that in my follow up post, I have no edit feature, they have minimal brakes which is what I meant to say but the aren't really for fast stops and they're on dirt anyway another reason brakes are virtually worthless to stop quickly even if they had larger ones..

OK

Btw

My guess is that Stewart saw the hothead and went near him to make him jump.

He didn't

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

besides the fact that they don't have brakes

Sprint cars use disc brakes. In the front of the car, there is one disc on the left wheel and thats it! In the back there is on behind the drivers seat on the rear axle (under the fuel tank) and sometimes one on the right rear wheel. When the car is fast and the driver drags the brakes in the turns, they glow orange, sometimes they throw sparks.

Granted they are used primarily for control but they are there.

Another WoO Sprint Car win on QTM Brakes! And, the top 3 in points are all on QTM brakes!

This one doesn't have brakes

I'm guessing you didn't see my 2 posts above before posting that?

From my post above:

Sprint cars just barely have enough brakes, mostly to help them enter the corners and pitch the car

As if on cue..
Fans, drivers stand behind Stewart

By Amanda Vincent, The Sports Xchange
August 16, 2014 10:59 AM
The SportsXchange

BROOKLYN, Mich. --When Tony Stewart returns to his No. 14 SHR Chevrolet is uncertain, and it's possible one of NASCAR's most recognizable names won't be back in the pits this season.

Following the Aug. 9 accident that resulted in the death of 20-year old Kevin Ward Jr. at Canandaigua (N.Y.) Motorsports Park, Stewart is idle for a second consecutive week. With Stewart grieving, Stewart-Haas Racing team announced on Thursday that semi-retired NASCAR Sprint Cup Series veteran will drive in Sunday's Pure Michigan 400 at Michigan International Speedway.

Fan opinions of the Stewart-Ward incident remain split. Many NASCAR fans are behind Stewart, adamant that the driver did nothing wrong, that he did all he could possibly do to avoid hitting Ward, who had climbed from his race car and walked toward moving cars on the race track at Canandaigua. Some also add that Ward essentially caused his own death by climbing out of his car and approaching traffic.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/fans-dr...6--nascar.html

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

No he wasn't FFS... He's been into the thread since the beginning, he just meant not while they're still slowing which they were, and again not walking towards the traffic but should have been walking away.

The track was yellow for a whole lap.

The non race fans are implying that all cars should stop before anyone can walk about the track.

BS the yellow came out the next pass by the flag stand making turns 1 and 2 cool down turns but still hot zones and the incident was on the exit of turn 2 just a bit up the track right in the path of the cool down. I thought you said you knew racing?

At the speeds sprint cars run, a lot of track is gone before a reaction for race control and the drivers ability to react once the yellow comes out, besides the fact that they don't have brakes which also explains another reason why Tony was higher in the line the other drivers, he was still in slowing mode and the prior lap when he ran into Ward while in his car demonstrates he was already running the higher line. It is quite telling that several drivers are calling for spotters due to the difficulty of being un-sighted in these cars.

Bull shit. There is red and yellow lights in every corner of the track. Stewart would have seen the yellow as he entered turn 4.