Thread: The 6 nations 2014

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

What do you mean by "allowed" to go to France.

Are they "allowed" to go to Japan?

No they are not...if they go they will not play for the All Blacks again...unless they return and play in the Super 15 first ...and even then they have to be way ahead of any other player in the same position. Luke McAllister was the last player allowed back on that rule (he came back from England), and he was such a flop I doubt they would ever do it again. So the option of playing in Japan and the All Blacks at the same time is a no no.

It is a controversial rule down here, for example the South Africans have a lot of guys playing in France. However as time goes on the point is being proved. The NZRFU know full well if they allow the current All Blacks to play outside NZ they will lose control of the game, and their income.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

He would get into any team, including the Kiwi starting 11.

Starting 15 BB...and who would he replace? Savea, Dagg, Ben Smith...and next year they will have SB Williams back...you tell me.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The kiwi 10, is it Cruden or something?, is a very good player, better than Evans, has a lot of skills, but sometimes a bit moody and can have off games.

Cruden is one of four current pivots...Dan Carter is first choice...Cruden and Barrett are equal second...and then there is young Tom Taylor from Canterbury...Evans could see Cruden coming through the age groups and decided to take the money. Hey tell me an international side with as much talent as that at No.10?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Thierry Dusautoir..
Excellent player, can make the difference in big games like few other players.

Nice to agree on something BB...he is a special player...also I have just checked the latest IRB rankings NZ, South Africa, Australia (FFS) and then England followed by the rest.

I'm surprised one of these Kiwi No.10s who is never going to be first choice or not play a lot of international rugby can't find a Scottish Grandparent and then be guaranteed first team international rugby and fill the one position that Scotland is really struggling in.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

kano is a perfect example of a player returning to try again for the ABs.

he will be trying...but he won't get there ahead of the incumbents unless there are injuries

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Aussies have potential

At what?...this is a rugby thread...seriously though they have always been over rated because of a couple of fluke wins in the RWC...they have actually rarely held the Bledisloe Cup...they are bleeding what little talent they have now that rugby league has more money to throw around...they don't have a decent coaching system and have let their grass roots wither in a way that was actually quite disgraceful. They make the WRU look absolutely brilliant.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I could see both the Aussies and Boks taking wins against you... maybe...

One can never write off the Boks...but their policy of letting their top players go north is starting to bite them in the bum. The Super 15 is almost a distraction in South Africa, and the NZRFU treats it as a poor relative to the internationals. When the All Blacks dicked them at Ellis Park last winter everybody was stunned, especially down here. It wasn't that we didn't rate the All Blacks, but all rugby folk know how difficult it is to win at altitude in front of the most boorish fans on the planet.
One important factor is the gerrymandering in the Super 15 so that teams play their countrymen twice, and the overseas teams once. All the Kiwi teams are strong whereas most of the Australian and South African teams are quite weak. So the kiwis get beaten up while the Aussies and Saffas cruise into the finals and can then get serious.

So when it comes to the Rugby Championship the All Black players have actually had harder games than their opponents. It is starting to show.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I suspect the French may cement themselves at no 3 this year.

Based on playing numbers England should be world number one, and France number two. NZ is a small country and the rugby population in South Africa isn't much bigger than NZ (the Blacks prefer football). So the world rankings show something is seriously wrong in the north. When I was a nipper to beat Wales by three points was something special...these days there would be calls for the coach to be sacked. Wales Scotland and Ireland have some excuse because of population, England and France have none, apart from the French being...well...French.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Smith looks like a special finisher and can carve space open from very little, but he needs another couple of seasons to prove himself as a consistently top player.

Shit I almost missed that...Smith should bold into any team in the world...remember the AB's are number one by a long shot...that has to count for something

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Leigh Halfpenny is world class

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

george north, probably our only 3 world class players

Which teams would they walk into? Nothing in the southern hemisphere anyway.

Halfpenny, Warburton and North are world class and on a par with anything
you've got in the southern hemisphere.

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

kano is a perfect example of a player returning to try again for the ABs.

he will be trying...but he won't get there ahead of the incumbents unless there are injuries

Says who? So if, he has a massive super 12 and outplays say the current AB player, then he won't force himself in the team? Crap.

That would go 100% against what the current coach and team is all about

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

So if, he has a massive super 12 and outplays say the current AB player, then he won't force himself in the team?

Of course he can, and some are picking him to do so, the selectors don't mind either, it doesn't worry them, but IMO if he does so it will be because the current players aren't up to it (unless injured) and that would be a bad sign.

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Halfpenny, Warburton and North are world class and on a par with anything
you've got in the southern hemisphere.

How many players do you know in the southern hemisphere, and if they are so good why is Wales only above Argentina of the Southern nations.

Wales are 4 places above Argentina in the world rankings and out of the 18 times
that they have met Wales have beaten Argentina 12 times

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

So if, he has a massive super 12 and outplays say the current AB player, then he won't force himself in the team?

Of course he can, and some are picking him to do so, the selectors don't mind either, it doesn't worry them, but IMO if he does so it will be because the current players aren't up to it (unless injured) and that would be a bad sign.

Not a bad sign at all.It would mean that he's playing out of his skin and that's a good sign.

these guys need to be pushed. The All Blacks are capable of losing like any other team.Finals footy has a way of bringing out the best and worst in teams. Every position needs to know that there is somebodyelse right up their arse...so to speak...

Kano is a tough bugger and a hell of an athlete. I miss his aggression in the tackle. I only hope that he forces his way back in the team.

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Halfpenny, Warburton and North are world class and on a par with anything
you've got in the southern hemisphere.

How many players do you know in the southern hemisphere, and if they are so good why is Wales only above Argentina of the Southern nations.

I could name a great many player's past and present not only in NZ, Australia,
but in Argentina & South Africa as well but fail to see what that has to do with
me stating that in my opinion Halfpenny.Warburton & North are world-class player's and are on par with anything you have in the southern hemisphere.



I thought this was the'' 2014 Six Nations '' Thread?

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

I thought this was the'' 2014 Six Nations '' Thread?

It is...but if you had a FA Championship thread a lot of the banter would involve the Premiership...especially because the comp hasn't started yet...and because after it is all over the winner will probably only just make it into the top four in the world.

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

I could name a great many player's past and present not only in NZ, Australia,
but in Argentina & South Africa as well but fail to see what that has to do with
me stating that in my opinion Halfpenny.Warburton & North are world-class player's and are on par with anything you have in the southern hemisphere.

That would be because Google can only tell you so much.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Not a bad sign at all.It would mean that he's playing out of his skin and that's a good sign.

Just my opinion, and although the Japanese comp is physically demanding, he would be as much off the pace as Victor Matfield in South Africa...that is why I say it would be a bad sign.

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Wales are 4 places above Argentina in the world rankings and out of the 18 times
that they have met Wales have beaten Argentina 12 times

try Googling the table and see the points differential between the top two teams and the rest...it is a bit like saying one was three places behind Tiger Woods at his peak

Originally Posted by buriramboy

I'm surprised one of these Kiwi No.10s who is never going to be first choice or not play a lot of international rugby can't find a Scottish Grandparent and then be guaranteed first team international rugby and fill the one position that Scotland is really struggling in.

Interesting point...I am not sure about the answer to that because many Kiwis did that in the past...one possibility could be that in the last 45 years very few Scots have emigrated to NZ compared with 70 years ago...Sean Maitland's (Glasgow Rangers) grandfather was a relic of those times.

From Roman times in Britain there were two games. Football tended to be played in the cities whereas rugby was played in more open spaces...as things progressed those open spaces belonged to the wealthier classes[/QUOTE]

Where did you google this from then ?

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Halfpenny, Warburton and North are world class and on a par with anything
you've got in the southern hemisphere.

How many players do you know in the southern hemisphere, and if they are so good why is Wales only above Argentina of the Southern nations.

Yes, looked again and it still states Wales is sixth in the world rankings, four
places higher than Argentina who are placed tenth , one behind Scotland who are
ninth.......But so much for rankings eh?

Scotland have a bad bunch of fixtures this year with England and France at home and Italy, Wales and Ireland away so everyone tipping them for the wooden spoon but they finished 3rd last year that no one gives them any credit for and even though whoever they play at No.10 Jackson or Wier neither of whom fill me with any confidence in fact quite the opposite but I still think they will be the surprise package this year and I reckon they're going to turn Ireland over next Sunday.

I for one hope that you're right. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Bruce Bayliss

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

I could name a great many player's past and present not only in NZ, Australia,
but in Argentina & South Africa as well but fail to see what that has to do with
me stating that in my opinion Halfpenny.Warburton & North are world-class player's and are on par with anything you have in the southern hemisphere.

That would be because Google can only tell you so much.

More than you I'll bet.

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Wales are 4 places above Argentina in the world rankings and out of the 18 times
that they have met Wales have beaten Argentina 12 times

try Googling the table .

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Bobcock;2679122]I never commented on Evans...... Typical argument tactic, read what someone writes and throw back something that was not part of the discussion.....

Afraid that this is all your going to get from this joker, and only his opinion matter's Bobcock......
Reminds me of the kiwi version of '' Fluke '' .
He can only extol the virtues of NZ rugby by ramming it down your throat
non-stop. End of story.

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Reminds me of

what???

Huh ????????

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Huh

That is for the USPGA tour thread