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    England have a lead of 429 at lunch on the 4th day and no declaration yet. Can't always rely on the weathermen i suppose but it appears that Captain Cook believes a draw is better than a win

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    A lead of 433, the record run chase is 419, no-one's near a ton, WTF is he waiting for? Sandwiches?

    If they lose play to rain tomorrow and don't get the result, Cook and Flower will rightly get slaughtered.

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    I can only think they're happy with a series win and want to get as much batting practice for some of the newer/underperforming chaps.

    Piss-poor decision either way.

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    Declared, with the Kiwis needing 468 to win. I suppose if they can knock them off in short order it will be decision vindicated.

    They just showed a huge hole that's just itching for Swann to bowl at it.


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    21/1 and the rot sets in.


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    tiger woods.

    comments please re a player who has won 78 PGA titles and didn't know where to drop his ball in the 3rd round of the masters and then him lying to stewards re sergios comments about him rattling clubs while sergio was having his shot.

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    ^ Brian this is a cricket thread.

    There's no Sergios, Tiger's or stewards involved and no dropped balls, only dropped catches and certainly no rattling.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

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    5 down, they're in the home straight now, 3 wickets for Swann.

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    Awesome. They just need enough sun to wrap up four wickets.

    Brave decision by Cook, silenced the doubters (and that includes me!).

    Shame about Compton though.

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    Had Cook forced the follow on, England could quite possibly have wrapped the game up before close of play today. I am unconvinced with his captaincy as he has made some unusual decisions before, namely putting NZ into bat on a great wicket a few months ago.

    He has some of the best bowlers in the world behind him and the batting isn't bad either (including himself). A lesser talented team would have the selectors questioning their captaincy decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    Had Cook forced the follow on, England could quite possibly have wrapped the game up before close of play today. I am unconvinced with his captaincy as he has made some unusual decisions before, namely putting NZ into bat on a great wicket a few months ago.

    He has some of the best bowlers in the world behind him and the batting isn't bad either (including himself). A lesser talented team would have the selectors questioning their captaincy decision.
    In fairness, I don't think he would have made that decision in isolation. The team probably would have had some input.

    I prefer to think their confidence is high and they felt they could get some batting practice and still skittle out the Kiwis in ample time.

    And if nothing else, it's probably shown that Compton isn't ready for the Ashes.

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    This is what BBC's Jonathan Agnew had to say on the issue:-




    England tactics were puzzling - Jonathan Agnew


    There is a central conundrum about England's decision to bat on into the afternoon session on Monday which does not quite add up.

    At lunch on this fourth day they had a lead over a dispirited New Zealand of 429, a margin so vast it would have required a world record-breaking chase - and this New Zealand side are no record-breakers.

    Therefore, the only reason to bat on, as captain Alastair Cook opted to do, was to stockpile sufficient runs that he could set ultra-attacking fields when the tourists eventually came out to bat.

    That is a legitimate tactic, and one that he could easily justify. But it ceases to be legitimate if you then instead set the sort of quasi-defensive field you might require for a lead closer to 280 or 300 - and for much of Monday afternoon and evening, that is exactly what England did.

    Graeme Swann, so dangerous in the first innings, had just a slip and short-leg in the majority of his long spell either side of tea.

    Steven Finn, the most likely bowler to find steep bounce and pace, at times had only a gully and solitary slip in place.

    It is one thing to err on the side of caution. Equally, Test wins have to be earned. They are seldom handed to you on a plate.

    Right at the start of New Zealand's innings, with the target a monstrous 468, England pushed a man back to sweep on the cover point fence when Hamish Rutherford was facing Stuart Broad.

    If you are leaking runs as a team pursues an achievable target at pace, a field placing like that makes sense. When they are facing a summit that has never before been surmounted in 136 years of Test cricket, it does not.

    Who was responsible for the tactics? Usually a captain will allow his bowler to set the field, while exercising overall control and maintaining the authority to step in if he sees fit.

    From that one must assume that it was Broad's decision to have that man sweeping in the deep. One must also expect his captain to have a quiet word and insist that the field remains more attacking.

    Rutherford was instead given the opportunity to take an easy single, at exactly the point when England should have been attacking hard, applying pressure, enforcing their dominance.

    It allowed the momentum to drift away from the home side, something which was exacerbated by a lack of energy and zip in the field and fed into a lassitude that gripped much of the cold, half-empty Headingley stands.

    In the morning session England had done everything right, adding 133 runs at the pace they should have aspired to during that slow trudge on Sunday evening. A declaration at lunch, leaving them a nominal five sessions to bowl out a team dismissed in just 43 overs the previous day and 23 overs last week, would have brought little dissent.

    Even when England ploughed on after the interval, batsmen sacrificed themselves - and their averages - in pursuit of quick runs for the team's overall aims.


    That is exactly what you would expect. But the bowlers then had to follow suit; you cannot be worrying about the possibility of having runs scored off you if it means the team has a greater chance of taking wickets and sealing the win.

    The ball does not have to be swinging or seaming for a batsman to edge a ball. Chances will come, and when they do you need the men in the positions to take them.

    It can be very easy, up where we sit in the commentary box, to make calls like this. I appreciate that it can feel different down on the pitch, or in the dressing room. Players are aware that their decisions carry a responsibility that ours do not.

    Cook may not appear to feel the pressure of Test batting or captaincy, but I'm sure he does. It is also very early days for his captaincy, and for our monitoring of it. Andrew Strauss was also not a particularly adventurous skipper; his successor may yet learn the art of gambling, or mixing things up, that the best leaders have in the field.

    Cook also deserves our praise and admiration for his remarkable displays with the bat in his short reign.

    In 11 Tests he has now scored seven centuries, a wonderful return and a reflection of his status as a truly special player. But I think he will reflect, in time, that he has been rather too cautious here in Leeds.

    England in the field on Monday did not always look like a team chasing victory.

    With a 180-run lead after their first innings and the best spin bowler in the world getting sharp turn out of the foot-holes, they should have won this game comfortably. They may well still do so.

    Yet there will be a lot of fingers crossed that the weather on Tuesday stays dry enough to give them the time they require to take the remaining four wickets. And had they been playing Australia rather than New Zealand, there would be even more of a stink about these tactics than there might be now.

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    Apart from the debatable declaration and follow on decision I can only see that England seem to be in good form which all goes well for the upcoming ashes series.

    Let the games begin!

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    So let me get this right, they took 6 Wickets in 54 overs of a test match, four of them being catches, and Jonny Agnew is criticising the fielding?

    Tosser.

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    England have won the series even if there is no play today so it's hip, hip, hooray!!



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    Rain at Headingley. Looks like they might have a couple of hours play early on if they're lucky.

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    Two wickets to go and they're having lunch while it rains.

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    Finn bowling a ball into Wagners throat in poor light convinced the umpires to come off early. He's not at his best atm, having witnessed him hurling more than a few down the leg side yesterday.

    Another hours play is all England are praying for, especially Cook!

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    ^ That, and it was raining...

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    England win by 247 runs, NZ all out for 220. They almost saved the match between the showers. Anderson gets the final wicket. Swann 6 wickets for 90 in the innings.

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    Cook vindicated. Aussies beware.

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    Bit embarrassing for the Kiwis that England can afford to use them for batting and bowling practice.

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    Not content with being humped in the Tests, they're now chasing England's fairly average 50-over total of 228 by starting with the loss of two wickets in the first over.

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    An absorbing game, they are just over the run rate at the halfway stage, with only one more wicket lost.

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    The Kiwis are in the driving seat here, 65 off 84 required, with most of a powerplay to go.

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