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    Australia: 'The blackest day in sport'

    Probe finds widespread use of drugs in sport, crime links

    February 7, 2013

    The findings are shocking and will disgust Australian sports fans.

    A year-long government investigation has found widespread use of banned drugs in Australian professional sport and links with organised crime. The Australian Crime Commission released the findings of a 12-month investigation into the integrity of Australian sport and the relationship between professional sporting bodies, prohibited substances and organised crime.

    It said the links may have resulted in match-fixing and fraudulent manipulation of betting markets - and it was hopeful criminal charges would be laid.

    The key findings of the investigation identified widespread use of prohibited substances including peptides, hormones and illicit drugs in professional sport.

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    Former Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority boss Richard Ings said Australians had been in denial about sports doping here for to too long.

    ‘‘This is not a black day in Australian sport, this is the blackest day in Australian sport," he said.

    The report concluded that some coaches, sports scientists and support staff of elite athletes have orchestrated and/or condoned the use of prohibited substances.
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    AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said he was shocked by the findings, and said he did not know how many AFL clubs were involved.

    He said the AFL's investigation had already begun and that the league was working with ASADA.

    NRL chief executive David Smith, who was in Canberra for the report's release, said: "we need to be strong."

    Australian Rugby Union said it had set up an integrity office and hired an Australian Federal Police detective to look into drugs in its code. Over 2011 and 2012, it had prosecuted four cases.

    Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver called the report a "very timely wake-up call", saying he had been aware of the issue of performance enhancing drugs but less aware of the links to organised crime.

    Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland said his organisation was "as confident as we can be" that there was no match-fixing in the Big Bash.

    "We have out own integrity unit that has surveillance activities over all of the Big Bash league matches."

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    Manly sports science unit investigated as NRL confirms clubs and players under scrutiny

    February 7, 2013

    The NRL has commissioned accountancy firm Deloitte to audit Manly's sports science department in the wake of allegations of potential use of performance-enhancing substances at AFL club Essendon.

    The sport scientist that connects the two clubs is Stephen Dank.

    Dank was a sports science guru for several NRL clubs before switching to the AFL. It's understood the Deloitte investigation could include an audit of other rugby league clubs he advised.

    However the focus will undoubtedly be the Sea Eagles, where he was employed from 2006 to 2010. The club tasted premiership success in 2008 during his tenure.

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    They need an investigation to discover this....... the mind boggles.

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    No, the drugs dont work
    they just make you worse
    And we'll smash you in the Ashes again




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    Apparently a certain Mr Armstrong opened the flood gates .........................

    and yes put a moratorium on sports betting with IMMEDIATE effect .

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    ^ given that betting is a global institution, much of it taking place in illicit or unregulated markets, how would you go about doing that?

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    Oz football codes all use cortisone and painkillers to get p.ayers back on the paddock. AFL allows 3 chances to test clear for illicit or illegal drugs, how is any of this a secret?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    ^ given that betting is a global institution, much of it taking place in illicit or unregulated markets, how would you go about doing that?
    Ban Australian based eg Sports Bet , Tom Waterhouse .com etc

    Fairly obvious that there is no smoke without fire ....................

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    ^ that is totally useless, you can just as easily and safely open an account with a uk, Asia or Carib based book and bet on exactly the same product, just as safely. it is no more difficult to send them money, or for them to pay you winnings. The Internet and Internet commerce. It's global. Most au bookies with the exception of the tab are virtual, they have no shop fronts, their customers don't really care where they are, only that they service their need and have a good reputation for paying out winnings. Global companies like lad brokers, will hill and bet365 have just as good a rep as centrebet, or sports bet.
    It's more than useless, it's counterproductive. Where would the authorities rather have bets being placed, locally, where their investigators and police have access through collective agreements ( which are currently in placewith all au bookies) or offshore in unregulated jurisdictions where they have no access at all? At present any AU sports authority can request an AU bookie give up all betting records, inc.uding the details of the account holders without a warrant and the bookie will do so.
    Prohibition has been amply demonstrated to be a poor second choice to regulation and control in almost any market, if I went back through your posts I would probably find one espousing the same sentiment, though perhaps on a different topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    ^ that is totally useless, you can just as easily and safely open an account with a uk, Asia or Carib based book and bet on exactly the same product, just as safely.
    No it's not , it closes on shore betting which is under Aus jurisdiction .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    ^ that is totally useless, you can just as easily and safely open an account with a uk, Asia or Carib based book and bet on exactly the same product, just as safely.
    No it's not , it closes on shore betting which is under Aus jurisdiction .
    But it doesn't, it just send Aussie punters to offshore companies.
    For the average joe, it may deter him a little, but not much. He is betting on the Internet, he doesn't care where the website is hosted., for the guy who want a punt it will do nothing ( and he makes up the vast majority of the market, not the $20 guy betting on his favourite team) and for the criminal element looking to manipulate a market, it's ludicrous.
    I bet you can't name one example outside a police state, or maybe inside those also, where prohibition of a popular product or service worked to anyone but the criminals favor.

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    Too quick to jump on the prohibition bandwagon ..............

    simply advocating a moratorium whilst the issue is sorted .

    Moratorium (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    ^ come on Mid, semantics? You're better than that.
    What form of a moratorium would have any effect other than a ban, which, for whatever its duration, is prohibition.
    Money would steam offshore Ina heart beat, just as it currently does with online casinos and poker. How much and how effective ( read lucrative) do you think Shane Warne's endorsement of 888 poker (illegal to offer or play in oz) is? Or the vast amounts of advertising for "free play" poker from full tilt, party poker or pokerstars on Australian media are?

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    Fok you're clueless Mid, it's the Asian gangs who have corrupted sports around the world after first foking up their own countries, stopping people placing bets in the UK and Australia would have zero effect on match fixing as the Asian gangs who are involved in match fixing don't use these bookmakers.

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    I'll never buy the argument that

    that's the way it is live with it ............................

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    ^^ you're wrong about not using them, they are some of their biggest accounts, but the point is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    I'll never buy the argument that

    that's the way it is live with it ............................
    Fixing sports has been the way it is since time immemorial.
    Grace used to ignore umpires instructions to depart the crease just on the power of his personality, all inspired by the bookies.
    Unless you want players and officials in a bubble, it's the way it will always be.
    Sports are but a reflection of our societies where everything is for sale.

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    ^

    on that we'll just have to agree to disagree .

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    The only way of controlling impropriety in sport is absolute deterrence - directed at the sportsmen. There will always be unknown, unscrupulous gamblers wanting to get an edge.

    Lifetime bans for those caught, administered unsentimentally.
    And checks and balances - eg random entrapment efforts.

    Some old buffer yesterday was saying that Aussie sportsmen and officials who were truly penitent, should be allowed to play again. That was just after the news has broken ! Madness !

    Like Lance Armstrong - penitent only because they got caught.

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    Same old Aussies, always cheating.

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    What strikes me about this thread is votes are being bought, legislatures are being bought, governments are being bought, in all sorts of detrimental ways that screw with the planet and lives and the future, all so the blessed get their dollar, fuck, people are selling children for chits sake, but the big news is your footy team might not be on the up.....

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    Blacker than these days?




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    They were on a sticky wicket when they tried to use an aluminum cricket bat.

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    In the sports that have high profile dope testing Athletics,Swimming,Cycling Australians did poorly last year ( they fell far short of their anticipted medal haul at the Olympics) In sports that have low profile dope testing Rugby Union, Rugby League and it remains to be seen how good they are at the upcoming ashes series they have done very well.It makes you think doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey
    They were on a sticky wicket when they tried to use an aluminum cricket bat.
    True story: I met the guy who was partners with Lillee in developing that. I thought he was full of shite but checked myself and he was legit. Apparently he still has a warehouse full of them to this day.

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