Thread: Time for the gay All Black to man up like Gareth Thomas........

Originally Posted by Necron99

Wallaroos were fines so there must be one somewhere no?
IRB confirms haka will not be challenged | allblacks.com - official site of the All Blacks


As was france. Rugby World Cup 2011: France fined for advancing on New Zealand's haka before final kick-off - Telegraph


No Matilda allowed.
The World Today - Outrage at move to ban Waltzing Matilda from Rugby World Cup

I was aware of that 10m rule (which, for the record, I think is utterly wanked) but as far as I know there's no obligation to stand and watch. Teams have buggered off and done warm ups and what-not previously.

Wasn't aware of that Waltzing Matilda bit though - although to be fair a song about some Aussie being busted with a sheep and committing suicide from the shame of it all shouldn't be encouraged.

This always sends a shiver down my spine - fucking awesome!

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

^^Yep

Huge in school boy rugby.

Yes, of course.
Come to think of it, my little half-Maori cousin does it (and he isn't an International!!)

So each team stands there and does it to each other I guess.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Wasn't aware of that Waltzing Matilda bit though - although to be fair a song about some Aussie being busted with a sheep and committing suicide from the shame of it all shouldn't be encouraged.

it's an allegory for Fuck the Police.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

This always sends a shiver down my spine - fucking awesome!

Not in the same league as this one though. (For obvious reasons)

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Not in the same league as this one though. (For obvious reasons)

True, I damn near shed a tear when I first saw that.

My link above didn't exactly work posting from my phone, second try:

Originally Posted by Necron99

Poms for example, should be able to stick up two fingers and then en mass give a browneye, as is their culturally historic response, but can they?

I thought shooting them with a musket was more 'culturally' accurate.

Actually come to think of it they've fared even worse in the modern iterations, the Lions tours. NZ's a veritable grave-yard for them.

Haka is just yet another suck up to the Kiwi's by the IRB. In terms of Rugby, here is the roots of it.



The words being used are "with a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, and your shake your arse...."

Gives unfair advantage because whilst they are pouncing around like a load of fairies, the other team has to stand and watch, getting cold. They should have to do it before the anthems and it is up to the other team if they can be arsed to go out early to see it or not.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Haka is just yet another suck up to the Kiwi's by the IRB. In terms of Rugby, here is the roots of it.



The words being used are "with a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, and your shake your arse...."

Gives unfair advantage because whilst they are pouncing around like a load of fairies, the other team has to stand and watch, getting cold. They should have to do it before the anthems and it is up to the other team if they can be arsed to go out early to see it or not.

Nice find.

When you see that, the idea that it is sacred and special to Rugby is simply ludicrous. Also, they are doing it to the crowd not to the Baa baa's.

Would it be churlish to mention the doing it in the changing room for themselves incident.

Well the fact that American Fussball teams are now doing a haka shows it for what it is I fear.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Would it be churlish to mention the doing it in the changing room for themselves incident.

Not as long as you haven't promised anyone you wouldn't and are now going back on your word about it.

hmmmmmm......for safeties sake then......

Anyways I've always found it curious as to why other challenges such as the Cibi or Sivu tau don't appear to engender any negativity. And it's all from the fans and media (both overwhelmingly NH at that) as far as I can tell - the only thing I've ever heard from any Internationals who have faced it was how much they liked it.

NFL Style? I can't see You Tube, but I can guarantee that is not an NFL team doing a haka.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Anyways I've always found it curious as to why other challenges such as the Cibi or Sivu tau don't appear to engender any negativity. And it's all from the fans and media (both overwhelmingly NH at that) as far as I can tell - the only thing I've ever heard from any Internationals who have faced it was how much they liked it.

Forgetting Bob Dwyer of course

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Anyways I've always found it curious as to why other challenges such as the Cibi or Sivu tau don't appear to engender any negativity. And it's all from the fans and media (both overwhelmingly NH at that) as far as I can tell - the only thing I've ever heard from any Internationals who have faced it was how much they liked it.

a) they don't have a choice.
b) they are likely to be fined / penalised for voicing dissension against it.

Most England international I have had a beer with including a family member say its a great annoyance; they come out of the changing room, line up, sing the anthems, and then want to get on with it except against the ABs where they have to hang around for 5 minutes getting cold, forced to watch the haka, and are told prior to it not to do anything. In the media they may say one things, but when they are talking freely they say it for what it is; unfair advantage.

My view is simple; do it before the anthems, and the other team chooses if they want to come out or not. Anything else is unfair.

Also, Australia and Safrica who face it most are the biggest countries against it. Universal almost. Shame that the IRB only represents NZ and not Rugby lol

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Forgetting Bob Dwyer of course

Vaguely rings a bell, relatively recently was it?

Attention-seeking ex-coaches making media sound-bites for publicity don't count at any rate.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

a) they don't have a choice.
b) they are likely to be fined / penalised for voicing dissension against it.

I'm mostly referring to ex-players. I can't see how current players can be fined for having an opinion though.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

they say it for what it is; unfair advantage

Are the Cibi or Sivu tau an unfair advantage too? Why aren't they routinely mentioned in that way.

If I were a more cynical sort of chap I'd suggest it's probably because Tonga, Samoa and Fiji don't routinely whip the NH sides.

Same for all Haka's. However, Tonga, Samoa and Fiji do not field teams half full of people of European heritage who have no claim in the Haka.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Same for all Haka's

Well the silence on the others is deafening then.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

However, Tonga, Samoa and Fiji do not field teams half full of people of European heritage who have no claim in the Haka.

Check out the 2011 World Cup squads for Tonga and Samoa - I think you'll find the majority were born in NZ. Besides, the haka has nothing to do with racial heritage it's about NZ and All Blacks heritage.

Frankly I find it rather bemusing about how het up some people get over it. If there were as much focus on actually playing the All Blacks as opposed to worrying about some alleged unfair advantage the magically haka bestows on them then teams might have better win/loss ratios against them. Can't beat them on the field, try to beat them off it.

Love it or hate it it's a unique aspect of rugby that other international sports simply don't have.

^American Fussball has it now

OK - so look at it from another viewpoint. Boxing. You have two fighters at the top of their game facing off. They both walk in to music blaring, all pumped up, ready to fight, and then one of them is told to sit in the corner and not move whilst the other one has three minutes to get in his face and pump himself up further. If the other boxer gets out of his corner he is fined 15k USD. Then when it is finished, ding ding, time to fight. Imagine also if the little show from pumped up boxer claimed it was his heritage, and thus to say no to it was racist despite the fact that he only started doing his little dance a year before hand to the audience, and gradually moved it further into the fight time. Is this fair?

(this is on topic by the way because the Haka is rather homoerotic and more a display for the gays in the audience I think)

^ boxing

you've knocked out your own argument

one boxer arrives in ring after a slow walk through the crowd with 'his' music playing, several minutes later, a 'fashionable late' opponent does the same walk with 'his' music while fighter #1 waits. And waits.

Time for a haka, easy