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    A Phone Thread

    As Im back in the UK I treated myself to a new phone, an iPhone to be exact, but there are loads of other phones out there and in todays climate just about everyone has one in some shape or form. I had a real barren spell with phones in Thailand as the network there was pretty crap for anything other than making calls and sending texts but now Im on a decent network I can enjoy all the spangly gadgets that come with it.

    This isnt limited to the iPhone or the UK, just a thread to post questions, tips etc and I'll try and keep on top of the news for all the developments that I spot.

    Mobile internet is gaining more and more momentum each month with the massive push of social networking sites like Twitter Facebook behind it. The next 2 years are going to see a big explosion for mobile net related stuff from handset makers so I feel its my duty to TD to ride the bandwagon........
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    Right, time for a bit of guff.

    Not everyone knows the terms that get banded around with phones as they get more and more complicated so I think that would be a good place to start.

    Phones that can access the internet can do it by a few ways depending on how new/old they are. This usually show up on the phone in some sort of icon like the letter "G" for GPRS.

    GPRS stands for General Radio Packet Service which is one of the slower ways that
    can be used.

    The next step up would be EDGE (Enhanced Data Rates for Global Evolution) which is usually the "E" icon on the phone and as the name suggests its a bit quicker.

    GPRS and EDGE are also know as "2G" sometimes but if you want o get all technical someone will probably say EDGE is 2.5G/3G, boring really.

    Now we get to the big guns, 3G. 3G stands for 3rd Generation and is what most modern handsets that access the net tend to use. Faster than the others and lets your phone handle more traffic/data at one time. For example I can quite happily run something like Skype on EDGE and 3G to call the Mrs in Thailand. The downside of having more power by 3G means it zaps your battery a lot quicker than if you were using GPRS or EDGE.

    A lot of phones now have built in WiFi which doesnt really stand for anything but sometimes its touted as Wireless Fidelity. This is only limited by the phones ability to handle the speed of your internet connection. If you use a wireless router at home you can connect your phone to the same connection for top speeds. Only downside or WiFi is youre limited to the range of the signal that the router puts out. Loads of places offer free or pay WiFi like airports, coffee shops etc and you can search for WiFi "hotspots" (connections) online or some phones have applications that will tell you the nearest ones to you.

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    Isn't there a 3G+ now as well ?

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    3G s

    That Iphone is a top piece of kit.

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    Where does my Nokia 3110c fit into all this? I think it has EDGE and GPRS but I'm interested in this 3G thing..got any examples of the cheapest handset? I'm struggling to chat to my mum on Skype at the mo..the screen freezes up without fail, normally one minute into the call..

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    As Im back in the UK I treated myself to a new phone, an iPhone to be exact, but there are loads of other phones out there and in todays climate just about everyone has one in some shape or form. I had a real barren spell with phones in Thailand as the network there was pretty crap for anything other than making calls and sending texts but now Im on a decent network I can enjoy all the spangly gadgets that come with it.

    This isnt limited to the iPhone or the UK, just a thread to post questions, tips etc and I'll try and keep on top of the news for all the developments that I spot.

    Mobile internet is gaining more and more momentum each month with the massive push of social networking sites like Twitter Facebook behind it. The next 2 years are going to see a big explosion for mobile net related stuff from handset makers so I feel its my duty to TD to ride the bandwagon........

    Dude I would strongly recommend a separate iphone thread altogether as they are head and shoulders above all else. If you don't have a 3gs then by all means get one they are worth every penny.

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    I have a 3gs and yes they are good but they arent the only phone out there.

    As for the 3110c its got

    GPRS (general packet radio service): Multislot class 10
    EDGE: Multislot class 10
    HSCSD (high-speed circuit-switched data)

    Last time I was in Thailand I dont think 3G was available, maybe someone else knows more about that.

    No idea about 3G+, I'll look into it. Im not claiming to be an authority on everything, just trying to do something other than read the tedious boring shitfights that seem to be ongoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    I have a 3gs and yes they are good but they arent the only phone out there.

    As for the 3110c its got

    GPRS (general packet radio service): Multislot class 10
    EDGE: Multislot class 10
    HSCSD (high-speed circuit-switched data)

    Last time I was in Thailand I dont think 3G was available, maybe someone else knows more about that.

    No idea about 3G+, I'll look into it. Im not claiming to be an authority on everything, just trying to do something other than read the tedious boring shitfights that seem to be ongoing.
    Pretty sure he meant 3gs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    Last time I was in Thailand I dont think 3G was available, maybe someone else knows more about that
    Guess will have to wait then,,being in the sticks it's the only way I can get on the net bar the IPstar thing which is crap and expensive.

    Thanks for the info Melv..

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    3Gs relates to the iPhone.

    3G+ is another term for HSPDA by the looks of things.

    HSPDA stands for High-Speed Downlink Packet Access.

    High-Speed Downlink Packet Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I've just had a play with a friends' i-touch.

    What a toy. Get from America for the best price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharleyFarley
    I've just had a play with a friends' i-touch.
    What you get up to in your own time is your business.

    Informative thread again Melvbot cheers.

    I've had most of the phones that have been on the market for the past few years except for the iphone. At the moment i'm on the Blackberry 8900. I never use the wifi option because of problems I've had with in the past. I always use EDGE for browsing but its not the best browser on the market. The rest of the phone is great, my favorite function is the Blackberry messenger and the new Desktop Manager for Mac is very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince View Post
    I always use EDGE for browsing but its not the best browser on the market.
    Part of the reason I didnt go for an 8900, no 3G which I though was a massive oversight.

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    Right, iPhone waffle.

    The iPhone is a nice shiny toy but its also not that bad for stuff like email etc. I can check any orders I get from my sites and place them on a dropshipping site I use, handy for me as Im out and about most of the day. Works for me as Im a Mac user.

    The thing with the iPhone is its got the usual Apple thing of "This is how it should be and thats it"

    A prime example is not being able to set a custom tone for text messages, nothing major but this is something that almost any new-ish phone is able to do. You buy something then you're pretty much told you can't customise it to make it feel like your own.

    Enter jailbreaking. Did it the other day as pwnage tool now supports up to the latest version of the software. I was a bit wary at first as I havent done it before but its very easy and opens the customisation option right up plus theres loads of apps that Apple wont approve available.

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    the iPhone is definitely the best,

    I think TrueMove offers 3G package for the iPhone for 499 THB a month, all included

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soi Source View Post
    Will it work everywhere in Thailnd that other phones work? How much to be buy and running costs? You say lower bateery life whats typical charge lenght?
    No idea about Thailand as Im in the UK, assuming youre talking about an iPhone. Doesnt make much difference which phone you have when youre using 3g, it just zaps the battery quicker.

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    Touchscreens

    Touchscreens are becoming more and more common. The other day my dad needed to update a contact on his phone and as hes not all that tech inclined I offered to do it for him. I looked a bit of a prat as I started pressing his screen thinking "Bloody thing doesnt work", his phone isnt a touchscreen one, doh!

    This is all blagged from another site as I cant be arsed to type it all out in my own words.

    Resistive Vs. Capacitive Touchscreens, What’s The Difference?

    There are two different types of touchscreen technology that these phones take advantage of – resistive and capacitive.

    Whilst capacitive touch screens offer a faster and more responsive experience, resistive touch screens tend to be cheaper to manufacture and have a greater degree of accuracy.

    Also, resistive touch screens can also be used with a stylus, which is important for handwriting recognition and writing Asian characters, and arguably a major contributing factor to why capacitive touch phones like the iPhone haven’t gotten such a warm response in the East.

    Windows phones have resistive touchscreens as standard, whilst high end devices from companies like LG and Samsung tend to be capacitive. The Windows Mobile operating system is currently unable to support the capacitive touch screen, but all that is set to change with Windows 7 on phones, and steps are being made toward this even on the forthcoming ‘6.5′ update.

    Resistive touchscreens are composed of several layers of plastic, and input is registered when two of these layers become joined by the external pressure of a finger or stylus, creating an electrical connection.

    Capacitive touchscreens are traditionally a glass panel coated with a transparent conductive material. As the human body conducts electricity, any touch on the surface of the screen triggers the electric field and registers the location of the input. Capacitive touchscreens can more readily accept continuous input across the surface, and also track multiple fingers on a single display.

    Haptic feedback, the reassuring vibration of menu or item selection, can be done on both resistive and capacitive touchscreens. Resistive touch screen phones include Windows-powered devices like the HTC Touch Diamond 2 and HTC Touch Pro 2.
    Many of the latest smart phones, including ones powered by Android, have capacitive touchscreens including the Apple iPhone, T-Mobile G2 Touch, LG Arena, Samsung Pixon12 and the Sony Ericsson Satio.

    What does the future of touch phones have in store? Well, the recently released Samsung Jet may have a resistive display, but relies on the internal processor to provide a super-responsive interface rivalling that of capacitive devices. Also, BlackBerry makers RIM have been working hard on a new hybrid interface that is the best of both worlds.

    The outer of the two layers has a conductive coating, allowing both types of interaction through a single controller-integrated circuit. According to the company’s application, “the capacitive and resistive functions of the touchscreen do not interfere with each other”.

    “Advantageously, a touch of the touchscreen display can be detected prior to contact with the touchscreen display,” the application continues. “Thus, a signal can be sent to the processor for providing a timely response when the touchscreen is touched. For example, a tactile feedback can be provided more quickly, providing a better user feel.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    The next step up would be EDGE (Enhanced Data Rates for Global Evolution) which is usually the "E" icon on the phone and as the name suggests its a bit quicker.
    EDGE ties 4 GPRS streams together to give you the equivalent of a 56K modem connection. It's decent for checking mail, and surfing low impact websites.

    EDGE is pretty much all you're getting in Thailand, and I found it to be adequate for 85% of what I use the iPhone for.

    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    Last time I was in Thailand I dont think 3G was available, maybe someone else knows more about that.
    There is no 'official' 3G in Thailand, and there won't be until the NTC pulls their head out of their ass (probably never). All you get are 'experimental' installations in regions like Bangkok, Cha-Am / Huah Hin and Phuket (if you're with TRUE).

    TrueMove

    The Greater Bangkok area seems to have the best coverage for TRUE. AIS and DTAC also have experimental installations in Chiang Mai and Bangkok

    The problem are the service plans - AIS sells the 3G service based on quantity (i.e. how much data you use), unlike EDGE access, which they sell by daily, or monthly unlimited usage. Nickel and Diming (or Satang and Bahting) the service will be a roadblock to adoption more than any political crap.

    Your best bet is TRUE right now, as they do not charge for 3G service during the trial phase (i.e. your existing service plan will support 3G as available). I'll be getting a TRUE SIM for my iPhone on my next trip to try this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck View Post
    EDGE is pretty much all you're getting in Thailand, and I found it to be adequate for 85% of what I use the iPhone for.
    I cant get 3G at my home (UK) but like you say EDGE isnt all that bad.

    Is your phone standard or jailbreak Daffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot View Post
    Is your phone standard or jailbreak Daffy?
    I bought my iPhone 3GS in Hong Kong for around $750, as it is a fully Apple Legit unlocked carrier-free iPhone. I travel a lot, so it's worth it to me.

    Able to use it in HK, Thailand, Europe and the USA just by switching the SIM, without encountering any of the problems with a jailbroken/unlocked iPhone. The hacked unlocks cause too many problems.

    There's only one app worth it to me to jailbreak an iPhone, and that's BiteSMS.

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    Full keyboards are becoming more and more common nowadays, no more typing by the old fashioned 3 or 5 characters per keypress.

    The QWERTY keyboards come in a couple of flavours, an actual physical mini keyboard on phones like the Blackberry and touchscreen ones like on the iPhone and HTC Hero.

    Neither of them are perfect as the Blackberry style ones seem too cramped for me and I havent got hamfists or fat fingers, the touch style ones are OK but it takes a bit of practice to get the aim right.

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    About bleedin time

    Universal phone charger approved


    Future handsets will all be able to use the universal charger
    A new mobile phone charger that will work with any handset has been approved by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), a United Nations body.
    Industry body the GSMA says that 51,000 tonnes of redundant chargers are generated each year.

    Currently most chargers are product or brand specific, so people tend to change them when they upgrade to a new phone.
    However, the new energy-efficient chargers can be kept for much longer.
    The GSMA also estimates that they will reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions by 13.6m tonnes.

    BBC NEWS | Technology | Universal phone charger approved

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    a blackberry question

    The missus' BB has a little icon appearing at the top of the screen where new email and chat notifications arrive but we don't know what it is. Looks like a black/brown smilie face with red/yellow fire or a spark coming out of the top of the head.... Anyone seen it before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    The missus' BB has a little icon appearing at the top of the screen where new email and chat notifications arrive but we don't know what it is. Looks like a black/brown smilie face with red/yellow fire or a spark coming out of the top of the head.... Anyone seen it before?
    Might help if you tell us what BB it is. Tried the user manual?

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    Sorry I thought the title of that post migjht help, bb is short for blackberry

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