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    8K TV is on the way

    I haven't even bought a 4K yet. Probably no point now.

    8K is coming. 2018 is the year 8K UHD TVs arrived in production-ready form at the annual CES in Las Vegas. These are typically very large TVs, measuring 85″ and up, which is fine since there’s hardly any point in making a small 8K TV screen. Granted, Dell already sells a 32″ 8K monitor (the UltraSharp 32 for $3700) but people are used to sitting close to monitors. Anyhow, by definition 8K UHD TVs sport boundary-pushing specifications including the all-important 7680 x 4320 resolution.

    While some anachronistic videophiles may bemoan the leap in resolution as unnecessary, the fact is that when it comes to displays, there’s no such thing as “too many pixels.” So when the first 8K TVs finally go on sale— the Samsung Q9S could very well earn that honor—don’t fret because you can’t rent 8K movies from Amazon (yet). The first 8K production cameras are either here today (from Red) or on the way (from Canon), and more are sure to follow.

    Before worrying about where to find 8K content, let’s briefly examine the harsh truth about 4K UHD: There’s not a lot of movie content produced in native 4K resolution. That’s right, even in an era where premium 1080p TVs have almost completely disappeared, you’d be hard-pressed to
    find a movie that offers a pure 4K viewing experience. So, the first thing to realize is that upscaling will continue to be a part of the ultra-high-definition equation. In other words, you’re bound to see 4K content that’s upscaled to 8K for years to come.


    Even today, it would not be accurate to say there’s no content available in 8K, which delivers 33 megapixels on screen. You need look no further that modern digital cameras to find a source of high-resolution imagery—Canon even has a 120-megapixel DSLR for sale. And given that a popular trend with premium TVs is to display art when not watching content, the potential picture quality offered by an 85” or larger 8K TV would allow you to examine exquisite levels of detail in photos and paintings, and do so from extremely close up. It’s all a matter of rethinking what a TV should be able to do.


    The 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo have long been cited as representing the true dawn of the 8K era. However there’s a catch—the 8K broadcast that Japan’s NHK provides (called Super Hi-Vision) will work in Japan but not in the US or most of the rest of the world. However, two years is an eternity in the AV world, and by the time the games roll around, it’s entirely possible 8K streaming will be available.


    So, what happens if you want to stream 8K right now? Believe it or not,
    YouTube already supports 8K resolution and has a small sampling of content to stream—albeit in limited quantities. Crucially, the built-in apps that come with premium TVs are typically the first to support whatever new functionality that TV offers—current examples include support for HDR10+ in Samsung TVs and Dolby Vision various companies’ TVs. And while there are only a few PC graphics cards that can render 8K UHD resolution, they exist today and are supported by Windows 10.


    Visually, what you can expect from an 8K TV—at the bare minimum—is totally invisible pixels, which is already the defacto standard for smartphones and tablets. You might think that if you can’t see a pixel grid, you don’t need a higher resolution, but the reality is that eliminating aliasing artifacts requires even smaller pixels than an invisible grid. While this observation is anecdotal, if you have a look at the first generation of iPhone to offer a “Retina” display (the iPhone 4, with 326 pixels per inch), today’s phones offer greater pixel density (up to 577 ppi) and do look sharper as a result. The upshot here is that 8K may finally deliver the video-gaming ideal of truly photo-realistic graphics, while also displaying all the detail modern camera sensors can capture.


    It’s important to remember that 4K UHD (3840×2160 pixels) wound up being about a lot more than resolution. With it came HDR and wide-color-gamut capability, which make significant contributions to overall picture quality. You can expect 8K TVs to continue that trend with an inexorable drive to cover the entire BT.2020 color gamut. And on the HDR side of things, 8K TV manufacturers are sure to pursue the technical ideal of a 10,000-nit HDR display—
    Sony showed a prototype of such a screen at CES 2018.


    Speaking from first-hand experience at CES 2018, another important element is how increases in processing power affect the quality of upscaling. To wit, 2018 is the year of AI (artificial intelligence) algorithms, and a battle is brewing between the major TV makers to offer the best next-generation processing.


    Samsung touted the “AI Upscaling” of its Q9S at CES, and the demos showed that next-generation upscaling is better than what came before it. I recognize better algorithms from my years as a professional photographer using Photoshop. There is definitive proof that if you throw more processing power at the upscaling process, you can achieve superior results. But getting this to happen in real time and at high pixel counts is ultimately a matter of having sufficient processing power.


    The upshot is that an 8K TV, working with a 4K UHD Blu-ray that (probably) has a bunch of 2K content in it (such as the CGI in movies) will likely offer the best-available rendition of that content—for a price. That’s how it always is with consumer-display technology; the early adopters get to have a ton of fun with the latest toys, but they pay a steep price for the privilege.


    Perhaps the greatest barrier to enjoying what 8K has to offer is psychological. If you go to an IMAX presentation, you expect your entire field of vision to be filled by a gigantic screen. But there is a resistance to treating TVs the same way. Still, it’s a simple fact that with an 8K TV, you’ll be able to have an IMAX-like experience at home, as long as you sit close enough to the screen. Also, visually convincing virtual reality demands 8K resolution (per eye!) in order to eliminate visible pixels.


    So while 8K remains a technology of the future (much like self-driving cars), it is not a distant pie-in-the-sky dream. And since an 8K TV will still work with SD, HD, and 4K UHD content, it’s inevitable that we’re going to see the current trickle of 8K news, content, and products become a flood.

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    What a load of bollocks.

    Mine was 17K.

    Fuck the cheap stuff.

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    Thetyve ran out of ideas again.

    3D, curved, now this bollocks. Theres nothing wrong with glorious technicolor

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    I almost fell into the 'need a new/latest/greatest TV' trap the other day before I caught myself and thought fuck it, nothing wrong with the one we've got now and I don't really need to spend a lot of money on a new and expensive finger-print collector for the kids.

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    Still waiting to get a 65inch 4K flatscreen for the mancave. Never bought into the curved screen nonsense. Saw one at the weekend for around 45k baht, which seemed cheap.

    Still just have the 50inch FHD in the Mancave, which seems fine as I place myself around 2 feet away from it.


    8K seems a bit of nonsense, at lease for the time being.

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    ^ there was a guy asking for an update in your 'mancave' thread earlier today

    http://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...own-100-a.html (Module prefab houses. You own it 100%. Move anywhere.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I almost fell into the 'need a new/latest/greatest TV' trap the other day before I caught myself and thought fuck it, nothing wrong with the one we've got now and I don't really need to spend a lot of money on a new and expensive finger-print collector for the kids.
    well you hardly have time to watch it, an 8k computer screen would be more use to a forum addict like you

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    Thanks for the update.

    Luckilululy a life of self abuse, shaded varifucals and slaptop projected onto the ceiling means I am getting the best resolution my eyes can cope with.

    I can imagine those who wish to watch sports like female mud wrestling, grand theft somtam or up to the minute American poofball,slyamese election rigging may wish to spend a wedge, I'd sooner invest in a wall made entirely of Wineboxes to balance my jatkom collection on and wager myself how long desire conquers virtue.

    Lifesize tango of Manaam and Phuketbound 8K now that's another image
    I used to have a job at a calendar factory.
    I got the sack because
    I took a couple of days off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    your 'mancave' thread earlier today

    http://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...own-100-a.html (Module prefab houses. You own it 100%. Move anywhere.)


    Outed.

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    Thats Terrys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai3
    well you hardly have time to watch it, an 8k computer screen would be more use to a forum addict like you
    Playing now (and everyday) on the screen in xanax's head: 'Images of Ant'.

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    They need to work on getting more content for 4k first. Almost no TV stations are broadcasting in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    They need to work on getting more content for 4k first.
    Doesn't 'upscaling' solve that issue? Making everything 4k, even if it's 240p?

    That's what the salesman told Dilly, when he bought his right before the price dropped by 50%.

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    ^ similar to your Bitcoin investment.

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    Have you not been listening to a word Earl's said.

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    Bearl Grylls ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    ^ similar to your Bitcoin investment.
    can his TV handle 500% gains after the price drops 50% ?

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    Luigi has a 3D tv... aat least thats what i think he was discussing on his scooter











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    Urine a roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    They need to work on getting more content for 4k first. Almost no TV stations are broadcasting in it.
    The bandwidth isn't there yet, and they're moving away from satellite.

    Will be a way off I fear. Only Sport and Porn are driving 4K at the moment.

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    Those are powerful drivers, tbf.

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