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    Fargo Season 3 - Spoilers

    Just finished Fargo S03.

    Have to say I thought that was ripper.

    Great story. Epically vile villains. Well chosen echoes from selected scenes of the original movie. McGregor was brilliant.

    In some ways the best of the 3 seasons in terms of imaginative originality. Although they have all been excellent.

    The only bit I missed was the connection with the opening scene. There is a geezer in a Kafkaesque east german police interview. How did that tie in to the rest of the series?

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    Its telling you that its not a true story but a load of bullshit

    Maybe someone else can put that more elequently

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    ^Thank you Dillinger.

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    McGregor really was good, but I feel the 'must see' quotient has decreased with every season.

    It's well past time to drop that 'based on a true story..' thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    The only bit I missed was the connection with the opening scene.
    could be wrong, but...

    the david thewlis character had two subordinates...an asian guy and the other guy...the other guy is the person the german cops are actually looking for....not the guy they have in custody with the same name.

    i know there's something wrong with the timeline on that, but that's a whole different thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    There is a geezer in a Kafkaesque east german police interview. How did that tie in to the rest of the series?
    Wasn't he the immigrant grandfather or father of the female police chief who was demoted. (He was killed off early on) That's what I got out of it.

    Meant her:



    No on reconsidering, I don't think I had that right...not her relative. It's hard to tell with Fargo. Have enjoyed all three seasons.
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    ^But the step-father was the author of the sci-fi books who featured in the 1975 scenes. He was a merkin. Also the 1975 scenes predate the 1988 german interview.

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    the david thewlis character had two subordinates...an asian guy and the other guy...the other guy is the person the german cops are actually looking for....not the guy they have in custody with the same name.
    The german criminal was said to be 22. That was 1988. In 2010 he would be 44. The Russian gangster in 2010 was maybe a bit young for that. He looked more mid thirties. But that would have been a good tie-in if it were true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    The german criminal was said to be 22. That was 1988. In 2010 he would be 44. The Russian gangster in 2010 was maybe a bit young for that. He looked more mid thirties.
    again, i'm claiming to have all the answers, but as i posted above, there's something fcuked up about the timeline in season 3...i don't know exactly what it is, but something's not "right".

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    think back to the bowling alley scene with that same character....there was a flashback that went back presumably hundreds of years.

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    and speaking of the bowling alley....what was the actor ray wise doing in the bowling alley....and in the bar with the female cop (former chief) earlier in the series.

    again....something's not right.

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    series three was the best of the lot.

    davis thewlis as the well read stained teeth brown suited villain just oozed menace beneath his grin and mary winstead as carrie was excellent too.

    i particularly liked the two female policewomen and the "womens" banter between them.

    it was also refreshing to listen an american series devoid of the usually annoying and harsh aggressive american drawl, the local accents used were melodious and sounded almost canadian.

    fargo has never failed to please, and this third series was a joy, apart from the one episode that featured a lot of cartoon flashbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    what was the actor ray wise doing in the bowling alley....and in the bar with the female cop (former chief) earlier in the series.
    Well I think he was a kind of mystical angel figure. Not a real human character. He did have Ray's soul trapped in a kitten after all!

    Yes the Russian cossack had mentioned a relationship with someone called Helga (tattoed on his buddies wrist during the crossbow hunting scene) but the flashback (to another woman called Helga) was to the genocide of Jews in Ukraine (by cossacks) I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    davis thewlis as the well read stained teeth brown suited villain just oozed menace beneath his grin
    He was so menacing with his supremely confident manner and revolting ratty teeth!

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    and mary winstead as carrie was excellent too
    She was perfect as the ubiquitous Fargo female cop with balls and a heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Yes the Russian cossack had mentioned a relationship with someone called Helga (tattoed on his buddies wrist during the crossbow hunting scene) but the flashback (to another woman called Helga) was to the genocide of Jews in Ukraine (by cossacks) I think.
    this is kind of what i'm saying...or writing....i think it's possible that the character they were looking for in the opening scene was the same guy that worked for david thewlis.... and was the same guy involved in the genocide.

    anyway, there has to be someone on youtube who's already put all this together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    davis thewlis as the well read stained teeth brown suited villain just oozed menace beneath his grin
    He was so menacing with his supremely confident manner and revolting ratty teeth!

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    and mary winstead as carrie was excellent too
    She was perfect as the ubiquitous Fargo female cop with balls and a heart.
    sorry, it was mary winstead who played nikki, the foxy beautifully breasted female lead.

    carrie coon played the female police officer, whose name i cant remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    .i think it's possible that the character they were looking for in the opening scene was the same guy that worked for david thewlis.... and was the same guy involved in the genocide.
    But the angel character said the genocide took place in 1768 I think. Maybe sins of the fathers or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    sorry, it was mary winstead who played nikki, the foxy beautifully breasted female lead. carrie coon played the female police officer, whose name i cant remember.
    They were both great. (Chief Gloria Burgle!)

    I like the way they always have that female cop character though echoing Francis McDormand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    the local accents used were melodious and sounded almost canadian.
    All the north dakota/minnesota locals in Fargo have that funny accent. Right back to the movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    anyway, there has to be someone on youtube who's already put all this together.
    Not on YT, but here's one person's take on it:

    Fargo's latest season, like those before it, tells a story of crime gone unbelievably wrong in snowy Minnesota. While fans who have been waiting for the shows third season have been excited to dive back into the snowy plains of the midwest, the show throws everyone for a loop by having the opening of Fargo Season 3 take place in an interrogation room in East Berlin in 1988. The events of the prologue occur 22 years before the main events of Fargo Season 3 not to mention that there's an Atlantic Ocean's worth of distance and then some between the two scenes. And the East Berlin events aren't referenced at any point in the rest of the episode. So what's the deal with this strange and incongruous first scene?

    Much like the opening of Season 2, which features a film crew waiting for the arrival of then-actor Ronald Reagan, the opening of Season 3 is a prologue that sets up the themes of the season and features a specific homage to a popular work of fiction. The Season 2 premiere opens with two people waiting on a film set for Reagan, in reference to Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot. Season 3 opens with what appears to be a tribute to a similar work of fiction, which points out the absurdity of the world.

    Franz Kafka's The Trial follows a man as he undergoes a confusing and difficult legal process in an attempt to clear his name. The biggest obstacle? He has no idea what he's done wrong, despite the fact that everyone tells him that he'll most certainly be found guilty of his crimes. The opening scene of Fargo's third season mirrors this, to the point of being set in Germany. (Kafka was a German-speaking citizen of Prague, located in what was then a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.)
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    What Does The 'Fargo' Opening Scene Mean? Season 3 Starts With A Revealing Literary Reference
    https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-t...eference-52400


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    ^I found that link yesterday. Still does not explain it much except the Kafka reference which was noted in my original question.

    Anyway it was the best TV show this year so far for me.

    Just so much to chew over.

    Started The Americans tonight. It is looking competent but after Fargo everything else feels like elevator music.

    Damn, I hope they can keep this up for a 4th season.

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    from what i've read, the 4th season is in doubt. and if it does happen, it will be a few years from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    from what i've read, the 4th season is in doubt.
    Damn...that usually happens to anything I do like, they cancel or end the series.

    Justified, Sons of Anarchy, Orphan Black, Revolution, Jericho, etc., etc...

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    a bit of good news...it should eventually come back...but don't hold your breath.

    Fans of Fargo need to settle in for a long wait; the show won’t be coming back anytime soon. With season 3 of the critically acclaimed drama coming to a close on FX, rumors were floating around that this would be the last season of the show. Although that now appears not to be the case, showrunner Noah Hawley still says the wait for a fourth season might be a long one.

    With three seasons in four years, all of which have taken place in different time settings but broadly within the same location, Fargo is taking a rest, because Hawley is fresh out of ideas. Not to mention the fact that he’s also rather busy with a second season of Legion in the works, another FX limited series, Cat’s Cradle, and two movies that he’s set to direct; Pale Blue Dot and Before the Fall. In an interview with Deadline, Hawley specifically stated that “this isn’t the end,” but added:

    “I always agreed with FX that the only reason to do another Fargo is if the creative is there. It took 15 months to get Season 2 off the ground, and 18 months to get Season 3 on the air. I have to turn my attention to the second season of Legion and a film potentially the winter after next. We’re looking at three years from now.”

    Fargo Season 4 Premiere May Be Years Away | Screen Rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin
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    isn't there supposed to be spinoff about one of the other motorcycle gangs?

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    ^Hadn't heard about that...hopefully it fares better than The Bastard Executioner.

    Found this from Dec. 2016
    Sons of Anarchy Spinoff Officially Happening at FX | E! News

    UPDATE: FX has officially ordered a pilot for Mayans MC, the Sons of Anarchy spinoff script they commissioned earlier this year. SOA creator Kurt Sutter will direct the pilot himself. Set in a post-Jax Teller world (RIP!), Mayans MC focuses on EZ Reyes, a prospect in the Mayan MC charter on the Cali/Mexi border, who struggles with his desire for vengeance against the cartel, and his need for respect from the women he loves. Production will begin in March of next year.

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