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    The Extinction of the Natural World

    Our natural world is being destroyed and we already have ruined the ecosystem in my view. There are plenty of videos out there of man's effect on the environment so here's a thread to post them in.

    The Sixth Extinction


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    If you look on the earth as a giant interconnected organism, it seems to have ways of keeping things balanced. It's how we arrived at where we are today.
    I am sure the earth will cope with the minor irritation of humanity.
    We have not treated our environment very well, but we are improving.

    You should also consider all the positive effects man has had on the planet.
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    Positive efects?
    what are these positive effects you speak of?

    Before we came along and started inventing shit the earth was probably in a fair equilibrium.
    Man made pollution is creating new things at such a rate that earth will never recover.
    (Unless we clean it up)



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    Agreed.

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    I doubt there will be a land mammal larger than the horse in less than 100 years time.

    A lot of the smaller wild animals will be gone too.

    Sad to think future generations may never see a real elephant or giraffe.

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    God will be along soon to wrath humanity out of existence.
    You sinners better beware.
    You will be F.U.C.T. fucked.

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    Looks like the UK's having 40 days of rain.

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    If we get past 2030AD without totally polluting this planet, global temperatures will likely have driven many underground while others will migrate to lunar or other bases....0nly 16 years to go!

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    Positive efects?
    what are these positive effects you speak of?
    Who is responsible for the diversity of wildflower meadows? Who is responsible for maintaining ancient woodlands?
    Who started to promote national parks? Who regulates access to wilderness areas?
    Who is creating wildlife corridors to enable species to adapt?

    None of these are natural functions, they are all managed by man.

    Lead mining in the dales of Derbyshire and Yorkshire has left its own heritage. The damming of many rivers and streams to power waterwheels has created a diverse environment for fish, birds and small mammals The diversity of woodland, scrub and meadow wildflowers supports populations of butterfly, moths and other invertebrates. The old dew ponds origianlly made for livestock now support rare newts.

    The use of different grazing animals, sheep, cattle and ponies all provide a variety of habitats suitable for wild orchids and other rare plants.

    None of this is natural, if the sites were not managed they would return to monoculture wilderness.

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    tragic to know that the chinese and to a lesser extent vietnamese and maybe others
    have created a billion dollar business in slaughtering elephants, rhinos for the ivory,
    used in quack medicines or fecking art business.
    the king of spain who was president of wildlife protection was photographed beside a dead elephant after having killed it. egotistical muther fucker.
    pure criminal behavior.
    the destruction is happening on so many fronts that humans will suffer big time.
    Humans have always been seen as the natural caretakers as they reside at the top of the chain but that hasn't worked as money and ego come first.
    Don't believe the planet will die but rather humans will die + many many species and it will take 10s of
    thousands of years for the planet to recover itself.
    We can see how humans are so brutal and cruel in getting their own way.
    our wealth came from the planet but we put little back.
    Even the oceans are poisoned.
    In 1969 i went to sweden and in the centre a lake was poisoned by acid rain coming from the power stations in the uk and that killed all the fish in the lake pissing off many who used the lake for grub. but nobody listened or were interested.
    humans who have power don't seem have respect for the environment.
    just money money money.
    and who has all that wealth today,,, all gravitating to the 1%. ffs.
    and worst of all, people seem powerless to do anything about it.
    now we're down to fracking,,,, scraping the barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    global temperatures will likely have driven many underground
    Apart from those who have gotten used to the heat by living in Isaan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    they are all managed by man.
    more like a band aid to show yea we really do care.

    if it does go tits up not many will survive,, me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Positive efects?
    what are these positive effects you speak of?
    Who is responsible for the diversity of wildflower meadows? Who is responsible for maintaining ancient woodlands?
    Who started to promote national parks? Who regulates access to wilderness areas?
    Who is creating wildlife corridors to enable species to adapt?

    None of these are natural functions, they are all managed by man.

    Lead mining in the dales of Derbyshire and Yorkshire has left its own heritage. The damming of many rivers and streams to power waterwheels has created a diverse environment for fish, birds and small mammals The diversity of woodland, scrub and meadow wildflowers supports populations of butterfly, moths and other invertebrates. The old dew ponds origianlly made for livestock now support rare newts.

    The use of different grazing animals, sheep, cattle and ponies all provide a variety of habitats suitable for wild orchids and other rare plants.

    None of this is natural, if the sites were not managed they would return to monoculture wilderness.


    Err.. all that being needed becuase of mans damage to the natural order.
    Wildflowers?

    You're m m mad you are, Mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    more like a band aid to show yea we really do care. if it does go tits up not many will survive,, me thinks.
    I agree with you about where the guilt lies but I prefer to be optimistic about the future. There are literally thousands of organisations all of the world, some large, some small, working to rebalance nature. They are protecting key species and environments, reintroducing top predators and other species beneficial to the food chain.

    There is a limit to how long we can go on pillaging natural resources, but you have to look back in history and see how past extinctions have been overcome, with or without the help of man. Rely instead on mans creativity and innovation skills to put an end to the unequal partnership between greed and nature.

    The world is not perfect but it's all we've got. Talk of colonising other planets is expensive rubbish. We just need to colonise the earth more effectively and sympathetically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Err.. all that being needed becuase of mans damage to the natural order. Wildflowers? You're m m mad you are, Mad.
    Everything is connected, everything has a purpose and it all fits together to support life on earth.

    You can see how life develops by studying volcanic islands. The molton rock cools and is broken down by weathering. It forms fertile soil eventually, ready for seeds carried by the ocean current, wind and birds who add their own unique fertilizer.
    Before you know it, Hawaii has arrived. It is a great example of how smart nature is.
    Nature has made many more dramatic changes to life on earth than man has. It's just that we are crap at it.

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    ^Takes no account of wars, plagues, extinction events. natural disasters and most importantly, it takes no account of improvements in Education for women.
    They are the ones responsible for all the little ankle biters and once they are educated the birth rates actually start to fall.
    It takes no account of choice among the population or present and future birth control programmes.
    Exponential growth is not inevitable. There are simply too many variables and humans are much more complex than his analogy of single cell bacteria.
    Question everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    Exponential growth is not inevitable.
    The analogy does not only extend to overpopulation but also economics and the consumption of resources.

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    Stewart Brand (Scientist, Futurist) talks about bringing extinct animals back from extinction.

    Controversial..
    Stewart Brand: The dawn of de-extinction. Are you ready? | Video on TED.com

    "With biotech accelerating four times faster than digital technology, the revival of extinct species is becoming possible. Stewart Brand plans to not only bring species back but restore them to the wild.
    Brand is already a legend in the tech industry for things he’s created: the Whole Earth Catalog, The WELL, the Global Business Network, the Long Now Foundation, and the notion that “information wants to be free.” Now Brand, a lifelong environmentalist, wants to re-create -- or “de-extinct” -- a few animals that’ve disappeared from the planet.
    Granted, resurrecting the woolly mammoth using ancient DNA may sound like mad science. But Brand’s Revive and Restore project has an entirely rational goal: to learn what causes extinctions so we can protect currently endangered species, preserve genetic and biological diversity, repair depleted ecosystems, and essentially “undo harm that humans have caused in the past.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTraveller
    "With biotech accelerating four times faster than digital technology, the revival of extinct species is becoming possible
    His desired effect is totally impractical. We already have an understanding of prior extinctions. It serves no purpose to introduce extinct species to a world that has already developed without them.
    The reintroduction of existing species to former habitats makes sense only if they fit current trophic pyramids.
    Question everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku
    The analogy does not only extend to overpopulation but also economics and the consumption of resources.
    The analogy was dumbed down so that plebs could understand it. Nothing to do with economics.

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    That's a great video on plastics. I think most of the plastics in the environment come from our wastwater. Everytime we wash out clothes the plastics in them are shredded off in particles and that all goes into rivers and the oceans and the ground water near our homes, etc. If it's not an issue, I encourage everyone eat a few plastic pebbles a week. Hell, why not get your kids started on it by mixing some of those plastic pebbles in their food.

    It's easy to forget what we do each day and easy for us to ignore the chemicals getting into our bodies from the air and water we are exposed to but we are all getting some and our kids will get more now that we are all pro-chemicals.

    I watched a documentary on fire retardants affects on people the other day. it was on that liberal commie station PBS. The man-made chemicals used in fire retardants can be found in animals in all parts of the world. You might think that living 5000 miles away from everyone in the middle of snow-covered antarctica will protect you but it won't. You are getting these chemicals and your kids are too. In fact, your kids probably have a much higher chance of getting cancer due to them than you. That's our generations legacy. So stand up proud and give your kids a nice pat on the back and tell them that daddy's taken care of them.

    I'm in the same boat. We all love the modern world and want all the gizmos and the rest of it. We won't change our habits but we can change the products available and the chemicals used in them. We should. We really should do the right thing.

    I also believe that this idea that human population is not a problem is bullshit and anyone who says it isn't is really walking with the dinosaurs 6 thousand years ago. We just should talk about human population openly and get rid of the taboo label. Reducing the human population means great change without fighting nature. We just need to openly discuss it and the change will already begin. The leaders of the world are either stupid fools, religious fanatics or greedy aholes for not seeing population as a problem rather than a solution to problems.

    And how do I feel about it all. I don't think people will change. The earth will survive but ourselves and the nature we know will be gone replaced by something else. War will be the future. Killing for food and life. Your kids may be the ones dying in those wars. But even before that, the chemicals will take their toll on us.



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    This is a long link but because the guy is very intelligent and his audience contains people whose first language is not English, even plebs can understand it.
    To make it easier to understand, I recommend that the lightweights just go to the 17 minute point and listen/watch for about 10 minutes.

    Anyone genuinely interested can of course watch the whole thing.

    The Dynamic Planetary Context

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    We'll be taking a giant step downward if Belo Monte goes ahead. Watch this video, or just Google the words.


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    99% of all the species that have ever lived are now gone.
    Extinction is the rule, not the exception.

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