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The Family Room Want to know the best place to buy baby clothing or toys, are diapers available in Thaliand? What about the best hospitals, the pitfalls of hiring a nanny or helper. How to keep teenagers amused in Bangkok, can I hire a carseat when I travel? Which children's medications are available?

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Old 23-08-2010, 08:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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5year olds versus 9 year olds. What's the difference?

Imagine the scenario, if you will.

A 5 year old boy and a nine year old boy.

What would you expect of each?

What would be acceptable from one versus the other.

What would you condemn or allow, from either.

We're talking normal everyday life here.

Any views, comments or experiences gratefully received.
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5year olds versus 9 year olds. What's the difference?

About 4 years innit??
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depends on the individual, my daughters are 8 & 6, the younger one is near perfect in behavior, she's top of her class, respectful, conscientious and obliging.
The elder one is a good girl but has some minor problems, certainly not as bright, a bit lazy in school work, would rather play with her friends than do home work. Just saying its hard to compare age group behavior, but if any thing my youngest has the more mature personality of the two.
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Imagine the scenario, if you will.

A 5 year old boy and a nine year old boy.
There is a big developmental difference between those two ages.

Basically the 9 year old will have the beginings of an understanding of "cause and effect" and the ability to be some what logical and rational. The five year old won't really "get" cause and effect.
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Basically the 9 year old will have the beginings of an understanding of "cause and effect" and the ability to be some what logical and rational. The five year old won't really "get" cause and effect.
Indeed. Cognitive age etc.

If the 9 year old prefers the company of other 5 year olds then I wonder how much his development will be hindered.
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Basically the 9 year old will have the beginings of an understanding of "cause and effect" and the ability to be some what logical and rational.
Not if he's a Thai.
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Not if he's a Thai.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Though I'd be most interested to read your reasoning.
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Not if he's a Thai.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Though I'd be most interested to read your reasoning.
A knee jerk response does not have "reasoning"....
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So what does that say about your step son marmers?
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Piaget says;


The Preoperational Period
(2-7 years)

Developmental Stage
& Approximate Age


Characteristic Behavior
Preoperational Phase
(2-4 years)

Increased use of verbal representation but speech is egocentric. The beginnings of symbolic rather than simple motor play. Transductive reasoning. Can think about something without the object being present by use of language.
Intuitive Phase
(4-7 years)

Speech becomes more social, less egocentric. The child has an intuitive grasp of logical concepts in some areas. However, there is still a tendency to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. Concepts formed are crude and irreversible. Easy to believe in magical increase, decrease, disappearance. Reality not firm. Perceptions dominate judgment.

In moral-ethical realm, the child is not able to show principles underlying best behavior. Rules of a game not develop, only uses simple do's and don'ts imposed by authority.
Period of Concrete Operations
(7-12 years)

Characteristic Behavior:

Evidence for organized, logical thought. There is the ability to perform multiple classification tasks, order objects in a logical sequence, and comprehend the principle of conservation. thinking becomes less transductive and less egocentric. The child is capable of concrete problem-solving.
Some reversibility now possible (quantities moved can be restored such as in arithmetic:
3+4 = 7 and 7-4 = 3, etc.)

Class logic-finding bases to sort unlike objects into logical groups where previously it was on superficial perceived attribute such as color. Categorical labels such as "number" or animal" now available.


Stages of Intellectual Development In Children and Teenagers (Child Development Institute)
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^^^That's obviously where he draws his opinion from.

Certainly not all Thai kids are like that though. A lot is down to parenting and of course genes.
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So what does that say about your step son marmers?
Well, the 3 year old is nearly on par with the 10 year old mentally speaking. Need I say more?
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Well, the 3 year old is nearly on par with the 10 year old mentally speaking. Need I say more?
Yes, please.

Why do you reckon that is?
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Well, the 3 year old is nearly on par with the 10 year old mentally speaking. Need I say more?
but they are both thai need I say more?

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Certainly not all Thai kids are like that though. A lot is down to parenting and of course genes.
that makes more sense.
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Why do you reckon that is?
One was bought up Thai-style and one wasn't.

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but they are both thai need I say more?
See above.
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It really all boils down to the quality of the parenting, for instance if the male parent is a bit of delusional and struggles with life in general, then I am sure this will brush onto the child.
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One was bought up Thai-style and one wasn't.
still Thai, its up to the parents. Of course most Thai's go with the standard shit approach. But some are very good parents. The problem is they are in a distinct minority.

So its not the nationality at all. Its how they are raised.
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So what's the difference between the much touted "Thai style" up bringing and a western European upbringing?
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So its not the nationality at all. Its how they are raised.
Agreed. The Thai way or the right way.
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The Thai way or the right way.
you want to explain what you mean by that?
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One was bought up Thai-style and one wasn't.
still Thai, its up to the parents. Of course most Thai's go with the standard shit approach. But some are very good parents. The problem is they are in a distinct minority.

So its not the nationality at all. Its how they are raised.
Well reasoned, AO. Yet, I feel your words will fall on the usual deaf ears.
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The Thai way or the right way.
you want to explain what you mean by that?
Don't be foolish. Of course he doesn't. MTD is more of a "distainful one liner" than a "reasoned, balanced point of view" poster.
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